I would like to thank Ray and others who answered my question about the OPR death certs and I apologize to you Goldie for misunderstanding your original message on the subject of OPR Certs.   Adeline

Hi Laura, Penny answers?? Just to confuse you a bit more, probably challenge you too. Parents of Mary Trail, and this might muddy the waters even more were John Trail and Elizabeth Lead, and Mary was born 17-10-1828 and her age fits in with the Census of 1871of John Penny and family and also living with them is Elizabeth Traill described as Mother in Law ,age given as 76. A pure guess but the Christine Catto and John Penny ,I would suggest (but no proof) John Penny b 1800 in Fraserburgh father Alec. Penny. And the only reason is that their places of abode were in fairly close proximity. Sorry it's taken me so long to send you this. Regards Betty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:47 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Penny questions > Hi, Everyone, > > It has been a while since I was on list due to family health issues. But > I am happy to now be back! > > I have picked up where I left off working on my Penny family information. > > Can someone on the list tell me who the parents were for John Penny who > married Christian Catto 9 April 1820 in Tyrie or was it 16 April 1820 in > Fraserburg? They had two separate listings in the LDS files. One under > M111964 and one under M112335, They had 6 Children I know about. > > Another puzzle for me are the parents of Mary Trail who married John Penny > 18 May, 1845 Rathen. > I have several sources who indicate it was James Trail and Elizabeth > Anderson but I also have sources pointing to James Trail and Elizabeth > Burnett. > > For Trail Anderson her birth info would be 3 Jun 1826 Auchtydore, Longside > and Christening was from LDS C112355:25 JUN 1826 Rathen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > > LDS shows Trail Anderson connection on CD 131. > > The date of birth in LDS for the Trail Burnett version is 23 Apr 1821 > Rathen or 20 May 1821 Rathen for Christening. C112355 also > > I suspect these are cousins in some way but would like to figure out which > of the Mary's is actually married to John Penny. > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Laura > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Goldie, If you are referring to civil registration here, post 1855, then the religion of the person makes no difference - all marriages (and births and deaths, with a few odd exceptions)should be registered after 1855, not just those of Church of Scotland members. BEFORE 1855 it depends on whether the person could afford to register the birth, whether they paid for mort cloths, and on their religion (and whether the records survive) as to whether you will find a record of life events in the OPR. And the amount of information available depends on the clerk, pure and simple - there were no rules as to what they had to record for these events. Louise > I think (I hope) I said at the beginning of the message that Civil > Registration began in 1855.....so, for example, if you had someone born > previously and married in 1855 or after you would that info on Scotlands > People, most likely, if they were Church of Scotland members.

2009/11/6 Isobel Davidson <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> wrote: > I have been looking up the 'New History of Aberdeenshire' on the Parish of Lonmay Blairmormond or Knowsie was owned by JF Gordon Sheriffs Gordon and William Fraser had Park.  'The small residence of Knowsie  or Blairmormond stands on the south side of the Peterhead Road, nothing about a house at Park ___________________________________________________________ Nice one Iso. The place is called Knowsie on the 1896 (1 inch) map and Blairmormond on the 2002 (1:25000) map. You can see it at http://bit.ly/Blaimormond . It is about a mile roughly north east of Park and well within the borders of Lonmay parish. The Peterhead Road (the A90) is shown in red cutting across the top right corner of the map by Whitehillock. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

2009/11/6 Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> wrote: > I have several instances where the marriage record does not show the parents names. I wish they did!  I have seen this both on the OPRs and online OPRs at Scotland's People.  It is a great site but not all records have everything you wish they did! ___________________________________________________ Hi Laura I haven't really been following this thread but taking your message in isolation, Laura, your experience on OPRs is the norm, not the exception. Very few OPRs record any more than the bride's and groom's names and a date. Even the date doesn't guarantee that they actually got married as it often only notes the date of the Banns being called and/or pledges being assigned. Most do record if one of the couple is from a different parish by naming it. However it is rare for a habitation address to be given. Some records do say "... and were married" possibly with a date of the actual marriage. One or two parishes give far more detail for certain periods when the current Minister and his scribe got into verbosity or some local big-wigs attended. We have a record in Aberdeen St Nicholas where the parents and various notables attending were all named but this is fairly exceptional. Unfortunately, Scotland's People can't add information that isn't on the original record. It was only after 1855 and statutory registration that the additional detail was recorded. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

I have been looking up the 'New History of Aberdeenshire' on the Parish of LOnmay Blairmormond or Knowsie was owned by JF Gordon Sheriffs Gordon and William Fraser had Park. 'The small residence of Knowsie or Blairmormond stands on the south side of the Peterhead Road, nothing about a house at Park Iso

Hi Laura Thanks for that information. Bob Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >I have several instances where the marriage record does not show the >parents names. > I wish they did! I have seen this both on the OPRs and online OPRs at > Scotland's People. It is a great site but not all records have everything > you wish they did! > > Laura > > -----Original Message----- >>From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >>Sent: Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM >>To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >> >>Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855, so if your folks are born >>before that, you will need to see the Films on the Old Parish records, or >>go >>to Scotland's People and take your credit card. 6 Pounds will get you 30 >>credits and you will need 6 credits per selection. For example 1 credit >>will show you what they found under Alexander Davidson and then you choose >>which one you think it is, and 5 credits will get you a copy off the Old >>Parish Records. I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or >>investing in the marriage certificate, again also with Scotland's People. >>This will also tell you who their parents were, where they married, and >>their ages. Another suggestion would be the 1891 census for Scotland >>which >>should list their address, and all in the home, also at Scotland's People. >>Good luck, Goldie >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> >>To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM >>Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >> >> >>> Hi List >>> >>> I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and >>> wondered >>> if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b >>> c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again >>> Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, >>> Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. >>> >>> James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. >>> >>> I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for >>> Alexander >>> and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would be >>> very useful. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Goldie, I know why you're confused. I've been trying to work this out for years. There are two (or more) John Lumsden SHIRREFS - As far as John Lumsden SHIRREFS is concerned, this from History of the Society of Advocates in Aberdeen by John Alexander Henderson (1912) "Eldest son of George Barclay, afterwards Lumsden Shirrefs of Blairmormond and Knowsie, Lonmay, and Margaret SMITH, his wife. Alumnus, Marischal College 1807-08, apprenticed to Francis GORDON (1796). Sometime in partnership with Robert ALCOCK, firm being Shirrefs and Alcock. Succeeded to Blairmormond and Knowsie. Died, unmarried 11 May 1852, age 57". For the story about Craig and other properties, Blairmormond and Knowsie, Lonmay google The Gordons of Craig and you'll get an article by Bulloch in proceedings of the historical society from 1929 that tells you. I still cannot work out who is related to who and there was a lot of adopting patronymics. There is another John Lumsden SHIRREFS b. 16 Dec 1867 Tunnerhall House, Ellon whose father (James Francis Gordon SHIRREFS married Barbara Shirrefs SMITH 12 Dec 1861 and lived at Craig, Auchindoir) adopted the patronymic GORDON when he succeeded as Laird of Craig, so became James Francis Gordon SHIRREFS-GORDON. There were 14 children of this marriage (closest to Isabel is Margaret Isabella Barclay SHIRREFS b. 11 Sept 1866 d.1889). John Lumsden SHIRREFS became John Lumsden SHIRREFS-GORDON for a time - some of the children reverted to SHIRREFS, some dropped the SHIRREFS and remained GORDON, others SHIRREFS-GORDON. If any one else can sort them out, I would be eternally grateful. Robin

Hi Laura, Your question on the location of the estate of Park. This is an excerpt from the story of Andrew Penny who marroed Maria Galindo. 'Andrew returned home only twice, accompanied by his wife Mario Galindo. On the second occasion he bought the Estate of Park, at Drumoak on Deeside, Aberdeenshire for 47,000 Pounds, intending to retire there. He also owned a home in Aberdeen, 25 Albyn Place, as well as an estate in La Paz. He returned to Bolivia to settle his business affairs, but died there in 1890. I hope this helps with the location of one of the Estates of Park. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: "ABERDEEN" <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] FW: Re: ESTATE OF PARK > > > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 11/5/2009 6:36:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ESTATE OF PARK >> >> Hi Goldie, >> >> I have Coplands, Cheyne, and Henderson folks in Park, Lonmay at different > times. >> One of the Cheyne girls married a Fraser. >> >> I have George Copland, died Mains of Park, Lonmay 1882 >> >> I have William Cheyne born Rathen 1767 died Park, Lonmay 1844 (he and > Chrstian had 11 children. Don't know for a fact if all or most were born > in Park, but those I know were born there are listed below) >> Christian Henderson born 1767 not sure where, died South Mains > of Park, Lonmay 1865 >> Margaret their daughter born 1797 Park, Lonmay she married Jame > FRASER >> John son born 1799 Park, Lonmay >> Elizabeth daughter born 1807 South Park, Lonmay married John > Copland 1832 died South Park 1883 >> James son born 1809 Park Lonmay >> George Cheyne their son born 1812 Park, Lonmay >> >> The other children are listed as born in: >> Quarryhead, Rathen (Alexander 1793) >> no place listed (Samuel before 1800) (William born before > 1820) >> Lonmay (Jean born 1802 married George Scott) (Eleanora born > 1804 married Alexander Angus) >> Rathen (Anne born 1813 married to Peter Barclay) >> >> Maybe by researching the other families in that same place during the > time period, it might help you. >> >> Laura >> >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> > Date: 11/5/2009 4:52:30 PM >> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ESTATE OF PARK >> > >> > My understanding was that in the mid 1700's it was owned by the >> > Frasers.......I'd like to get my hands on something that will tell me > for >> > sure and also something about the SHERIFFS family. It's like trying to > find >> > the proverbial needle. With thanks, Goldie >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "kotuku media" <kotuku.media@xtra.co.nz> >> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ESTATE OF PARK >> > >> > >> > > Hi Goldie: >> > > >> > > The Book of the Duffs mentions Park and the transition from the >> > > Gordons to the Duffs on page 403 and chapter 37 ( pages 553, 555, > 559) >> > > >> > > If you don't have access to it, I'll see what I can manage. >> > > >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Ross >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 05/11/2009, at 4:19 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: >> > > >> > >> Would any listers have any idea where I could find some info on the >> > >> Estate of Park, and John Lumsden SHERIFFS, Esq of Blairmormond -- >> > >> Lonmay I believe, but could be wrong. It is mentioned on the 1845 >> > >> Statistical Account and apparently belonged to the Frasers. >> > >> I have a John WALKER who married Isabel 'Shirres'.. and various >> > >> other spellings.....16 Jan 1794. He was a Mason in Peterhead. >> > >> Her death record in 1850 has her spelled SHIREFFS >> > >> They had 8 children all born Peterhead most of whom look like they >> > >> were whalers or fishermen. The children are born 1795 - 1815 all >> > >> Peterhead. >> > >> The names out of marriages of these 8 children are: Morrison, >> > >> Mathieson/Mathison, Scott, Burnettt/Burnet, Arthur. circa 1825 >> > >> forward. Any help is welcome, and thanks, Goldie >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >> > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > >> the body of the message >> > > >> > > Sue and Ross Miller >> > > Kotuku Media Ltd >> > > 64 4 233 1842 >> > > 0274 510 339 - Sue >> > > 027 246 7682 - Ross >> > > 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington 5026 >> > > P O Box 54234, Mana, Wellington 5247 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for Alexander and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would be very useful. Thanks for any help. Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire.

Hey Ray, Thanks for this one!! Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Blairmormond, Knowsie & Park 2009/11/6 Isobel Davidson <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> wrote: > I have been looking up the 'New History of Aberdeenshire' on the Parish of > Lonmay Blairmormond or Knowsie was owned by JF Gordon Sheriffs Gordon and > William Fraser had Park. 'The small residence of Knowsie or Blairmormond > stands on the south side of the Peterhead Road, nothing about a house at > Park ___________________________________________________________ Nice one Iso. The place is called Knowsie on the 1896 (1 inch) map and Blairmormond on the 2002 (1:25000) map. You can see it at http://bit.ly/Blaimormond . It is about a mile roughly north east of Park and well within the borders of Lonmay parish. The Peterhead Road (the A90) is shown in red cutting across the top right corner of the map by Whitehillock. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP ********************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IF you read the original querie, the fellow asked about births circa 1854/57.........the children to the couple are born 1880+ so it appears the marriage would be late 1870 or so........they SHOULD be able to get a registration or certificate from Scotland's People. Did I miss something or did you folks? He got his answer is what counts for me, and can now carry forward, backward, whatever he chooses. Just trying to help out here......Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne > Hi Laura > Thanks for that information. > Bob Owen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne > > >>I have several instances where the marriage record does not show the >>parents names. >> I wish they did! I have seen this both on the OPRs and online OPRs at >> Scotland's People. It is a great site but not all records have >> everything >> you wish they did! >> >> Laura >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >>>Sent: Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM >>>To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >>> >>>Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855, so if your folks are born >>>before that, you will need to see the Films on the Old Parish records, or >>>go >>>to Scotland's People and take your credit card. 6 Pounds will get you 30 >>>credits and you will need 6 credits per selection. For example 1 credit >>>will show you what they found under Alexander Davidson and then you >>>choose >>>which one you think it is, and 5 credits will get you a copy off the Old >>>Parish Records. I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or >>>investing in the marriage certificate, again also with Scotland's People. >>>This will also tell you who their parents were, where they married, and >>>their ages. Another suggestion would be the 1891 census for Scotland >>>which >>>should list their address, and all in the home, also at Scotland's >>>People. >>>Good luck, Goldie >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> >>>To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM >>>Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >>> >>> >>>> Hi List >>>> >>>> I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and >>>> wondered >>>> if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b >>>> c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again >>>> Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, >>>> Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. >>>> >>>> James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. >>>> >>>> I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for >>>> Alexander >>>> and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would >>>> be >>>> very useful. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help. >>>> >>>> Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting, with thanks, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Blairmormond, Knowsie & Park >I have been looking up the 'New History of Aberdeenshire' on the Parish of > LOnmay Blairmormond or Knowsie was owned by JF Gordon Sheriffs Gordon and > William Fraser had Park. 'The small residence of Knowsie or Blairmormond > stands on the south side of the Peterhead Road, nothing about a house at > Park > > > > Iso > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think (I hope) I said at the beginning of the message that Civil Registration began in 1855.....so, for example, if you had someone born previously and married in 1855 or after you would that info on Scotlands People, most likely, if they were Church of Scotland members. Before that you need to see the Old Parish Records films for the parish. And, not all are intact. Do some investigating at familysearch.org to see what years are covered in the parish you need. 1818 you need to rely on the Old Parish Records, but if you are looking for someone in that time frame and post a message on this site (supposing it's Aberdeenshire) complete with places, names and dates, there are so many folks who will be happy to help you out. You may even find someone searching the same family. I still cannot believe, and I bet you will be amazed, at all the good folks out there who roll up their sleeves and help. Good luck, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "MISS ADELINE MARTIN" <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re-OPR Certificates Hi Goldie You said "I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or investing in a marriage certificate.This will also tell you who their parents were,where they married and their ages". Do you think that this would apply to an OPR going back to 1818?. The reason I ask is that I have a copy of the registration of the marriage of my Gt-Gt-Grandparents who were married in Inverurie in 1818 but all it gave was their names on a list with a lot of other couples married on other dates about the same time. According to the 1841 Census my GT.Gt.Grandfather was about 25 years older than his wife and he was born outside of Census County, he died before the 1851 Census so I have no idea of where he was born. I tried looking for an OPR death but nothing. Adeline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have several instances where the marriage record does not show the parents names. I wish they did! I have seen this both on the OPRs and online OPRs at Scotland's People. It is a great site but not all records have everything you wish they did! Laura -----Original Message----- >From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >Sent: Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne > >Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855, so if your folks are born >before that, you will need to see the Films on the Old Parish records, or go >to Scotland's People and take your credit card. 6 Pounds will get you 30 >credits and you will need 6 credits per selection. For example 1 credit >will show you what they found under Alexander Davidson and then you choose >which one you think it is, and 5 credits will get you a copy off the Old >Parish Records. I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or >investing in the marriage certificate, again also with Scotland's People. >This will also tell you who their parents were, where they married, and >their ages. Another suggestion would be the 1891 census for Scotland which >should list their address, and all in the home, also at Scotland's People. >Good luck, Goldie >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> >To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne > > >> Hi List >> >> I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered >> if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b >> c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again >> Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, >> Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. >> >> James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. >> >> I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for Alexander >> and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would be >> very useful. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have my sympathy, Laura, truly. I guess I've just been lucky with the ones I have gotten from SP. You see, there's still things to be thankful for when someone reminds you they had no luck. So it goes. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >I have several instances where the marriage record does not show the >parents names. > I wish they did! I have seen this both on the OPRs and online OPRs at > Scotland's People. It is a great site but not all records have everything > you wish they did! > > Laura > > -----Original Message----- >>From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >>Sent: Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM >>To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >> >>Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855, so if your folks are born >>before that, you will need to see the Films on the Old Parish records, or >>go >>to Scotland's People and take your credit card. 6 Pounds will get you 30 >>credits and you will need 6 credits per selection. For example 1 credit >>will show you what they found under Alexander Davidson and then you choose >>which one you think it is, and 5 credits will get you a copy off the Old >>Parish Records. I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or >>investing in the marriage certificate, again also with Scotland's People. >>This will also tell you who their parents were, where they married, and >>their ages. Another suggestion would be the 1891 census for Scotland >>which >>should list their address, and all in the home, also at Scotland's People. >>Good luck, Goldie >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> >>To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM >>Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne >> >> >>> Hi List >>> >>> I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and >>> wondered >>> if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b >>> c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again >>> Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, >>> Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. >>> >>> James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. >>> >>> I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for >>> Alexander >>> and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would be >>> very useful. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Goldie You said "I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or investing in a marriage certificate.This will also tell you who their parents were,where they married and their ages".   Do you think that this would apply to an OPR going back to 1818?. The reason I ask is that I have a copy of the registration of the marriage of my Gt-Gt-Grandparents who were married in Inverurie in 1818 but all it gave was their names on a list with a lot of other couples married on other dates about the same time. According to the 1841 Census my GT.Gt.Grandfather was about 25 years older than his wife and he was born outside of Census County, he died before the 1851 Census so I have no idea of where he was born. I tried looking for an OPR death  but nothing.    Adeline

Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855, so if your folks are born before that, you will need to see the Films on the Old Parish records, or go to Scotland's People and take your credit card. 6 Pounds will get you 30 credits and you will need 6 credits per selection. For example 1 credit will show you what they found under Alexander Davidson and then you choose which one you think it is, and 5 credits will get you a copy off the Old Parish Records. I would suggest looking for a marriage registration or investing in the marriage certificate, again also with Scotland's People. This will also tell you who their parents were, where they married, and their ages. Another suggestion would be the 1891 census for Scotland which should list their address, and all in the home, also at Scotland's People. Good luck, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne > Hi List > > I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered > if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b > c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again > Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, > Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. > > James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. > > I would like to find definate birth dates and marriage dates for Alexander > and Christina, so we can obtain certificates so any information would be > very useful. > > Thanks for any help. > > Bob Owen, Southport Lancashire. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You have inspired some thoughts. Is there recorded anywhere who commissioned the most recent engraving of a stone? Is there a consecrated ground law somewhere that those buried in the same grave must be or are related? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> | ** Stone 262 in the Peterculter M.I. book (compiled by me, sold by | ANESFHS) says: | To the memory of Alexander Ritchie shoemaker died Culter 2 Dec 1891 aged | 80; son Alex. died 1858 aged 21; dau. Helen died 1862 aged 26; dau. | Agnes died 1864 aged 24; son James died 1866 aged 20; son William died | 1867 aged 25; his first wife Margaret Adam died 1868 aged 54; 2nd wife | Joan Grant died 1932 aged 92; their son John died 1934 aged 59, both | buried in New Zealand; son Robert died 1950 aged 74 buried in New | Zealand. Erected by his widow and surviving sons. | There are several other Ritchies mentioned on stones, including a | Margaret Ritchie who married a David Ross, and mention on the same stone | of James and Margaret Lindsay. | Gordon Johnson.

Hi Goldie: The Book of the Duffs mentions Park and the transition from the Gordons to the Duffs on page 403 and chapter 37 ( pages 553, 555, 559) If you don't have access to it, I'll see what I can manage. Cheers Ross On 05/11/2009, at 4:19 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > Would any listers have any idea where I could find some info on the > Estate of Park, and John Lumsden SHERIFFS, Esq of Blairmormond -- > Lonmay I believe, but could be wrong. It is mentioned on the 1845 > Statistical Account and apparently belonged to the Frasers. > I have a John WALKER who married Isabel 'Shirres'.. and various > other spellings.....16 Jan 1794. He was a Mason in Peterhead. > Her death record in 1850 has her spelled SHIREFFS > They had 8 children all born Peterhead most of whom look like they > were whalers or fishermen. The children are born 1795 - 1815 all > Peterhead. > The names out of marriages of these 8 children are: Morrison, > Mathieson/Mathison, Scott, Burnettt/Burnet, Arthur. circa 1825 > forward. Any help is welcome, and thanks, Goldie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Sue and Ross Miller Kotuku Media Ltd 64 4 233 1842 0274 510 339 - Sue 027 246 7682 - Ross 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington 5026 P O Box 54234, Mana, Wellington 5247