> Is there recorded anywhere who commissioned the most recent engraving of a stone? ** The only possibility might be the firm of monumental scultors whose company name is often inscribed at the bottom of the stone. However, from past experience, the company's own records may not be specific - e.g. their accounts might have a record of an additional engraving on a stone, with the bill payable by a named person, but the account may not make clear WHICH stone it refers to! In addition, many of these companies destroyed old records, instead of passing them to the local archives (you could try Aberdeen City Archives, just in case). Gordon.

I am looking for the descendants of William TODD & Georgina BATCHIN (1868-1954) Two of their children seem to have lived in Ballater, Aberdeenshire. 1) Alice Watson TODD(Abt 1902-1973) married Robert TINDALL (abt 1903-1973) Both died in Ballater. 2)Robert TODD (1905-2001) died in Ballater. My grandfather was a cousin of Georgina BATCHIN and we have a photograph album that belonged to him that we think contains pictures of Georgina BATCHIN among others. We are hoping that someone on the list, if they know any descendants would let them know that we are looking for them, and ask them to contact us, so that we might try to identify the pictures together. My grandfather was Dr George Batchin THOMPSON of Bizana, Pondoland, South Africa. He started his career as a missionary to Calabar, {Nigeria} then went to South Africa to regain his health. He grew up in Alloa, Clackmannanshire. Thank you Veronica now living in Canada

Thanks very much Alison very much for that information Janet

Hi List I recently posted a question on this list and i would like to thank all those who responded, this was my first posting on this list and I received the same great help as I have from other list. You listers never let you down. Many thanks. Bob Owen. Southport.

I appreciate your having taken time to reply to these Gavin. I expect you've realised I am searching for clues. I wondered who would have the name of the last deceased member of the family engraved on a stone if all the members of the family had died. Some family friend perhaps with money to spare for the engraving. >From what you have said about other names in a grave you have told me that different names on an inscription do not mean they are related. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> > Janet wrote: > > I cannot see any reply to this message so I will put in my tuppence-worth. > >>Is there recorded anywhere who commissioned the most recent engraving of a stone? >> > > Quite possibly not - although the position may vary according to where > the stone is and how long ago any addition or alteration was made. > > Burial in the ancient parish burial grounds was not, generally-speaking, > a highly organised matter. To start with, the layout of the graves is > often chaotic: in the Kirkyard of Banchory-Devenick, whose MIs have > recently been published, it looks as if there were at least three > independent and incompatible ground-plans (possibly in the heads of > successive gravediggers) which collide in the middle of the burial > ground, so how anyone knew where anyone was buried is a mystery. That > said, families did tend to bury their dead close by each other, but the > choice of burial-place and decisions as to what stones should be > erected, and what should appear on them, was probably governed by > custom, rather than anything more formal. > > In the non-denominational (and generally commercially-operated) > cemeteries which came into use from the mid-19th century, matters were > rather more formal. The entire ground was, from the outset, mapped out > and divided into numbered plots (or "lairs"), and the normal mechanism > was for a family or an individual to purchase a lair or lairs for the > use of himself and his family. I recently came into possession of a > Lair Certificate (with accompanying regulations) for Trinity Cemetery, > Aberdeen. This records the sale, in 1904, of a "Class 4" lair, and the > regulations are very detailed. Regarding gravestones or other > memorials, it is stated that "... no Monument, Tablet, Inscription, > Enclosure, Erection, Tree, Shrub, Vault, or building of any kind will be > permitted until a drawing and specification of what is proposed have > been submitted to and approved by the Master of the Trades Hospital* or > his factor." > > The original parish burial grounds came under the control and > responsibility of the then County Councils around 1929, and they brought > in a degree of discipline to the management of the burial grounds - > although exactly how rigorous this management was I suspect varied, with > strict rules more likely to be applied in big urban burial grounds than > in small rural ones. The urban ones generally had ornate "lodges" at > one or more of the cemetery gates, and the employess who resided there > would no doubt have enforced the rules. But this was less likely in the > countryside. > >>Is there a consecrated ground law somewhere that those buried in the same grave must be >>or are related? >> >> > > There is, to the Kirk of Scotland, no such thing as "consecrated > ground", and the later Cemeteries were specifically non-denominational. > So no, there is no law stating who may or may not be buried in any given > grave. In the case of the Trinity Cemetery lair I mentioned above, no > burial could be carried out unless the person organising the burial > produced the certificate showing them to be the owner of the lair, but > if they chose to give room to somone not related to them, they had the > perfect right so to do. And you do occasionally, in the Memorial > Inscriptions, find cases where grand families were graciously pleased > to host the corpse of a long-lived servant in their burial ground. > > I have also seen some of the Lair Records for another of the Aberdeen > Cemeteries, and from this, it would appear that, in cases where a lair > had been purchased some time previously, but no interments had taken > place in it, the Cemetery authorities were not above using the lair for > the burial of paupers. > > > Gavin Bell > > > * an officer of tne "Incoporated Trades" of Aberdeen, who owned the > burial ground. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janet wrote: >You have inspired some thoughts. > I cannot see any reply to this message so I will put in my tuppence-worth. >Is there recorded anywhere who commissioned the most recent engraving of a stone? > Quite possibly not - although the position may vary according to where the stone is and how long ago any addition or alteration was made. Burial in the ancient parish burial grounds was not, generally-speaking, a highly organised matter. To start with, the layout of the graves is often chaotic: in the Kirkyard of Banchory-Devenick, whose MIs have recently been published, it looks as if there were at least three independent and incompatible ground-plans (possibly in the heads of successive gravediggers) which collide in the middle of the burial ground, so how anyone knew where anyone was buried is a mystery. That said, families did tend to bury their dead close by each other, but the choice of burial-place and decisions as to what stones should be erected, and what should appear on them, was probably governed by custom, rather than anything more formal. In the non-denominational (and generally commercially-operated) cemeteries which came into use from the mid-19th century, matters were rather more formal. The entire ground was, from the outset, mapped out and divided into numbered plots (or "lairs"), and the normal mechanism was for a family or an individual to purchase a lair or lairs for the use of himself and his family. I recently came into possession of a Lair Certificate (with accompanying regulations) for Trinity Cemetery, Aberdeen. This records the sale, in 1904, of a "Class 4" lair, and the regulations are very detailed. Regarding gravestones or other memorials, it is stated that "... no Monument, Tablet, Inscription, Enclosure, Erection, Tree, Shrub, Vault, or building of any kind will be permitted until a drawing and specification of what is proposed have been submitted to and approved by the Master of the Trades Hospital* or his factor." The original parish burial grounds came under the control and responsibility of the then County Councils around 1929, and they brought in a degree of discipline to the management of the burial grounds - although exactly how rigorous this management was I suspect varied, with strict rules more likely to be applied in big urban burial grounds than in small rural ones. The urban ones generally had ornate "lodges" at one or more of the cemetery gates, and the employess who resided there would no doubt have enforced the rules. But this was less likely in the countryside. >Is there a consecrated ground law somewhere that those buried in the same grave must be or are related? > > There is, to the Kirk of Scotland, no such thing as "consecrated ground", and the later Cemeteries were specifically non-denominational. So no, there is no law stating who may or may not be buried in any given grave. In the case of the Trinity Cemetery lair I mentioned above, no burial could be carried out unless the person organising the burial produced the certificate showing them to be the owner of the lair, but if they chose to give room to somone not related to them, they had the perfect right so to do. And you do occasionally, in the Memorial Inscriptions, find cases where grand families were graciously pleased to host the corpse of a long-lived servant in their burial ground. I have also seen some of the Lair Records for another of the Aberdeen Cemeteries, and from this, it would appear that, in cases where a lair had been purchased some time previously, but no interments had taken place in it, the Cemetery authorities were not above using the lair for the burial of paupers. Gavin Bell * an officer of tne "Incoporated Trades" of Aberdeen, who owned the burial ground.

I am researching the family of John Scott b Tyrie 1775 d Brampton Ontario 1853 and his first wife Elizabeth Low b Tyrie 1780 d Tyrie 1817 Married 20 April 1800 Tyrie. John Scott and his eldest son went to Canada after Elizabeth died. My 3x great grandfather is said to be a child of this marriage but I cant find a birth for him. His death cert (info given by his son)names his father as John Scott seaman and his mother as Elizabeth Rettie. Rettie was the maiden name of Elizabeth Lows mother. The Scott children were cared for by their maternal grandparents when their father went to Canada so the next generation may have been confused about names. Is anyone else searching for information on this family? I have the MI's for Tyrie but that doesnt give me anything I am looking for. Where would I get the info on people who are buried in the cemetery but do not have memorial stones? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Janet

Lair details for Tyrie (along with Cairnbulg; Crimond; Fraserburgh (Kirkton); Lonmay (old, new and parish); New Aberdour (old & new); New Pitsligo (St John's & Turlundie); Peathill; Rathen (old & new); Rattray; St Combs & Strichen) are all held by the Fraserburgh Registrar at 14 Saltoun Square, Fraserburgh AB43 9DA telephone 01346 585021/585054 or email fraserburgh.registrar@aberdeenshire.gov.uk   The quantity of information contained within the lair records varies from cemetery to cemetery and you might find that records no longer exist for the timescale which you require.   Further information on researching Family History within Aberdeenshire can be obtained from the Aberdeenshire Council website www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/familyhistory/index.asp which also includes a new Family History Resources Booklet, Routes to your North East Roots: Researching Family History in Aberdeen City and Shire which can be downloaded free as a pdf file. Alison ________________________________ From: candjhinricks@xtra.co.nz To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009 21:32:08 Subject: [ABERDEEN] Scott and Low Tyrie I have the MI's for Tyrie but that doesnt give me anything I am looking for.  Where would I get the info on people who are buried in the cemetery but do not have memorial stones? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Janet I am researching the family of John Scott b Tyrie 1775 d Brampton Ontario 1853 and his first wife Elizabeth Low b Tyrie 1780 d Tyrie 1817 Married 20 April 1800 Tyrie.  John Scott and his eldest son went to Canada after Elizabeth died.  My 3x great grandfather is said to be a child of this marriage but I cant find a birth for him.  His death cert (info given by his son)names his father as John Scott seaman and his mother as Elizabeth Rettie.  Rettie was the maiden name of Elizabeth Lows mother.  The Scott children were cared for by their maternal grandparents when their father went to Canada so the next generation may have been confused about names. Is anyone else searching for information on this family?

Hi List I am attempting to find out when and where my great great father James Laing was born and who his parents were. I know that he married Catherine Davie at St Nicholas Aberdeen in 1853. Also in the 1881 census he was 52 years which means he was born 1828-29. The problem is that I can not locate any information about his birth. The other information I have about him is that his children were born in Old and New Machar Aberdeen. Also, he opened a butcher shop in 1850 and it continued to the 1980's as Rueben Butchers, in Woodside Aberdeen. If anybody has any information about James Laing or how to locate the information about his birth and his parents, it would be appreciated. Regards Ian Laing

A fair bet - death entry in 1911 has parents James Laing and Marjory Nicholson. In message <7AA083C7331947D9B26EFC3D4577FA9A@your54d936be2c>, Isobel Davidson <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> writes >Have been looking at familysearch.org and going by the childrens names I >would go for James Laing christened 25 April 1828 St Nicholas parents James >Laing & Barbara May Nicolson > >Regards > >Iso > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- John Lovie

Have been looking at familysearch.org and going by the childrens names I would go for James Laing christened 25 April 1828 St Nicholas parents James Laing & Barbara May Nicolson Regards Iso

Try finding his death certificate on Scotlands People. There are only 3 James Laings of the right age to die in Aberdeen between 1881 and 1920 so you might find him fairly easily. Regards Isobel Davidson -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Laing Sent: 10 November 2009 10:17 To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] (Aberdeen) James Laing Hi List I am attempting to find out when and where my great great father James Laing was born and who his parents were. I know that he married Catherine Davie at St Nicholas Aberdeen in 1853. Also in the 1881 census he was 52 years which means he was born 1828-29. The problem is that I can not locate any information about his birth. The other information I have about him is that his children were born in Old and New Machar Aberdeen. Also, he opened a butcher shop in 1850 and it continued to the 1980's as Rueben Butchers, in Woodside Aberdeen. If anybody has any information about James Laing or how to locate the information about his birth and his parents, it would be appreciated. Regards Ian Laing ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ian, All you have to do is look for his death certificate in www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and this will tell you who his parents were and provided they had him baptised in the Established Church of Scotland (Church of Scotland) you should find it recorded in the IGI. If your lucky and his parents died after 1854 you should also be able to obtain their death details from the scotlandpeople site. Alex.

Hi Isobel Thanks for the information on he 1881 census, I had not found her on that yet. Most useful Regards Bob Owen, Southport, Lancashire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Further re- Davidson & Clyne Query I don't have any Clynes in my tree but a quick google I found this one who could be yours in Leith by 1881. Can't find anything else interesting without paying, though if they have moved to England you might find it hard to trace them even if you do pay! >From Scotlands People - without paying - Wedding was in Glasgow in 1873! 1881 census Dwelling: Ferry Road Trinity Cottage Census Place: North Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224016 GRO Ref Volume 692-1 EnumDist 20 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James CURRIE M 58 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Steamship Manager Jessie C. CURRIE M 37 F (N B S), America Rel: Wife Campbell M. CURRIE U 16 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary M. CURRIE 15 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alexander CURRIE 13 M N Leith Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth M. CURRIE 11 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alison KIRK U 24 F Largo, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Cook (Domestic) Margaret MALLARD U 33 F Lewis Island Of Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Christina CLYNE U 23 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Catherine MC DONALD U 25 F Dores, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Tablemaid Christina BALDIE U 25 F Forgan, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Nurse (Dom) Regards Isobel Davidson -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy PITTENDREIGH Sent: 08 November 2009 21:03 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [SPAM] [ABERDEEN] Further re- Davidson & Clyne Query Further to my earlier comments on Bob's query: It is possible to 'play around with Scotlands People searches without spending anything but time on line. Alexander DAVIDSON birth search 1851 to 1854 gives 21 hits in Aberdeenshire. = 1 credit (20p) to download. Same search 1855 to 1856 score 17 hits = 1 credit. The downloads will allow for a narrower choice of certs before spending any pounds. Christina CLYNE birth search 1855 to 1900 gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and 10 for ALL Districts again 1 cert to download. The Alexander DAVIDSON = Christina CLYNE marriage search gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and just a SINGLE hit for ALL Districts fidling with the dates gives this for 1880 to 1884. This is where I would spend my first quid. The marriage details will identify parents of both parties. Then return to the Birth Certificates The marriage cert will identify the Parish where you could start looking for the children of this couple. Nice inexpensive way to spend a boring Sunday evening away from the tele. Cheers, Sandy researching PITTENDREIGH & FREEMAN in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire ________________________________ From: Sandy PITTENDREIGH <dfsgal@btinternet.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 November, 2009 18:11:24 Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne Query I can't see that anyone has as yet directly addressed the enquiry from Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> which was: << I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. Robert is asking for direction regarding certificates and how to verify definite dates. >> Alexander DAVIDSON -- If borne pre-1855 then his details will be in the appropriate Old Parochial Register but the amount of data will depend on the clerk who kept the records at that time, there was no standard format. Scotlands People have indexes in their pay-to-view site. The indexes, divided into Counties and Parishes list the birth registration dates and parents names. These pre-1855 index pages can be download at a cost of 1 credit (0.20 uk pnds) a page. When a likely candidate is identified it cost a further 5 credits (1 Uk pnd) to view and download the cert. If Alexander was actually born in 1855 then you are on to a winner, that would be the best you could ever get for detail -- 1855 certs are goldmines for data, see further comment below. It is absolute delight to get an 1855 certificate. Christina CLYNE -- Her post-1854 cert will be recorded in standard format preprinted registers. For BDMs the Regitrars was required by law fill in all the boxes. Of course this depended to a great extent on the informant knowledge of the person being recorded. The 1855 certs were spread over 2 pages of the record book and required a lot of information. These were used only for that initial year of stautory registration. From 1856 the amount of data registered varied for a few years and was reduced to the present day single page entry. Where it is an illegitimate birth and the father was not present, his name is not always given on the initial entry. In such instances it is always a good idea to refer to the Register of Corrected Entries which often records the result of litigation to identify and name the father. Scotlands People will flag up such entries which will cost a further 5 credits. The above applies to Scottish Records not English records which will have to be searched for a Liverpool marriage. In this case your costs will be greater and you will not be sure if your index hits refer to your Davidson until you pay for the cert. Cheers, Sandy in Dumfries research Pittendreigh and Freeman in Aberddenshire and Kincardineshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't have any Clynes in my tree but a quick google I found this one who could be yours in Leith by 1881.  Can’t find anything else interesting without paying, though if they have moved to England you might find it hard to trace them even if you do pay! >From Scotlands People – without paying – Wedding was in Glasgow in 1873! 1881 census Dwelling: Ferry Road Trinity Cottage Census Place: North Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224016 GRO Ref Volume 692-1 EnumDist 20 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James CURRIE M 58 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Steamship Manager Jessie C. CURRIE M 37 F (N B S), America Rel: Wife Campbell M. CURRIE U 16 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary M. CURRIE 15 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alexander CURRIE 13 M N Leith Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth M. CURRIE 11 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alison KIRK U 24 F Largo, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Cook (Domestic) Margaret MALLARD U 33 F Lewis Island Of Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Christina CLYNE U 23 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Catherine MC DONALD U 25 F Dores, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Tablemaid Christina BALDIE U 25 F Forgan, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Nurse (Dom)   Regards   Isobel Davidson   -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy PITTENDREIGH Sent: 08 November 2009 21:03 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [SPAM] [ABERDEEN] Further re- Davidson & Clyne Query Further to my earlier comments on Bob's query: It is possible to 'play around with Scotlands People searches without spending anything but time on line. Alexander DAVIDSON birth search 1851 to 1854 gives 21 hits in Aberdeenshire.  = 1 credit (20p) to download. Same search 1855 to 1856 score 17 hits = 1 credit. The downloads will allow for a narrower choice of certs before spending any pounds. Christina CLYNE birth search 1855 to 1900 gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and 10 for ALL Districts again 1 cert to download. The Alexander DAVIDSON = Christina CLYNE marriage search  gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and just a SINGLE hit for ALL Districts fidling with the dates gives this for 1880 to 1884. This is where I would spend my first quid. The marriage details will identify parents of both parties.  Then return to the Birth Certificates The marriage cert will identify the Parish where you could start looking for the children of this couple. Nice inexpensive way to spend a boring Sunday evening away from the tele. Cheers, Sandy researching PITTENDREIGH & FREEMAN in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire ________________________________ From: Sandy PITTENDREIGH <dfsgal@btinternet.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 November, 2009 18:11:24 Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne Query I can't see that anyone has as yet directly addressed the enquiry from Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> which was: << I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b  c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again  Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. Robert is asking for direction regarding certificates and how to verify definite dates. >> Alexander DAVIDSON -- If borne pre-1855 then his details will be in the appropriate Old Parochial Register but the amount of data will depend on the clerk who kept the records at that time, there was no standard format.  Scotlands People have indexes in their pay-to-view site. The indexes, divided into Counties and Parishes list the birth registration dates and parents names. These pre-1855 index pages can be download at a cost of 1 credit (0.20 uk pnds) a page. When a likely candidate is identified it cost a further 5 credits (1 Uk pnd) to view and download the cert. If Alexander was actually born in 1855 then you are on to a winner, that would be the best you could ever get for detail -- 1855 certs are goldmines for data, see further comment below.  It is absolute delight to get an 1855 certificate. Christina CLYNE -- Her post-1854 cert will be recorded in standard format preprinted registers.  For BDMs the Regitrars was required by law fill in all the boxes.  Of course this depended to a great extent on the informant knowledge of the person being recorded. The 1855 certs were spread over 2 pages of the record book and required a lot of information.  These were used only for that initial year of stautory registration.  From 1856 the amount of data registered varied for a few years and was reduced to the present day single page entry.  Where it is an illegitimate birth and the father was not present, his name is not always given on the initial entry.  In such instances it is always a good idea to refer to the Register of Corrected Entries which often records the result of litigation to identify and name the father.  Scotlands People will flag up such entries which will cost a further 5 credits. The above applies to Scottish Records not English records which will have to be searched for a Liverpool marriage. In this case your costs will be greater and you will not be sure if your index hits refer to your Davidson until you pay for the cert.   Cheers, Sandy in Dumfries research Pittendreigh and Freeman in Aberddenshire and Kincardineshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have 2 Peterhead films here now and am going into the center tomorrow. I'll find what I can on the Davidson and Clyne/Cline families. I was somewhat able to help him out, but will do what I can tomorrow. It's so good everyone is pitching in to help him out. Pat on the back to you all!! Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Further re- Davidson & Clyne Query I don't have any Clynes in my tree but a quick google I found this one who could be yours in Leith by 1881. Can't find anything else interesting without paying, though if they have moved to England you might find it hard to trace them even if you do pay! >From Scotlands People - without paying - Wedding was in Glasgow in 1873! 1881 census Dwelling: Ferry Road Trinity Cottage Census Place: North Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224016 GRO Ref Volume 692-1 EnumDist 20 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James CURRIE M 58 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Steamship Manager Jessie C. CURRIE M 37 F (N B S), America Rel: Wife Campbell M. CURRIE U 16 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary M. CURRIE 15 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alexander CURRIE 13 M N Leith Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth M. CURRIE 11 F N Leith Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alison KIRK U 24 F Largo, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Cook (Domestic) Margaret MALLARD U 33 F Lewis Island Of Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Christina CLYNE U 23 F Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: House & Laundry Maid Catherine MC DONALD U 25 F Dores, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Tablemaid Christina BALDIE U 25 F Forgan, Fife, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Nurse (Dom) Regards Isobel Davidson -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy PITTENDREIGH Sent: 08 November 2009 21:03 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [SPAM] [ABERDEEN] Further re- Davidson & Clyne Query Further to my earlier comments on Bob's query: It is possible to 'play around with Scotlands People searches without spending anything but time on line. Alexander DAVIDSON birth search 1851 to 1854 gives 21 hits in Aberdeenshire. = 1 credit (20p) to download. Same search 1855 to 1856 score 17 hits = 1 credit. The downloads will allow for a narrower choice of certs before spending any pounds. Christina CLYNE birth search 1855 to 1900 gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and 10 for ALL Districts again 1 cert to download. The Alexander DAVIDSON = Christina CLYNE marriage search gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and just a SINGLE hit for ALL Districts fidling with the dates gives this for 1880 to 1884. This is where I would spend my first quid. The marriage details will identify parents of both parties. Then return to the Birth Certificates The marriage cert will identify the Parish where you could start looking for the children of this couple. Nice inexpensive way to spend a boring Sunday evening away from the tele. Cheers, Sandy researching PITTENDREIGH & FREEMAN in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire ________________________________ From: Sandy PITTENDREIGH <dfsgal@btinternet.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 November, 2009 18:11:24 Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne Query I can't see that anyone has as yet directly addressed the enquiry from Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> which was: << I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. Robert is asking for direction regarding certificates and how to verify definite dates. >> Alexander DAVIDSON -- If borne pre-1855 then his details will be in the appropriate Old Parochial Register but the amount of data will depend on the clerk who kept the records at that time, there was no standard format. Scotlands People have indexes in their pay-to-view site. The indexes, divided into Counties and Parishes list the birth registration dates and parents names. These pre-1855 index pages can be download at a cost of 1 credit (0.20 uk pnds) a page. When a likely candidate is identified it cost a further 5 credits (1 Uk pnd) to view and download the cert. If Alexander was actually born in 1855 then you are on to a winner, that would be the best you could ever get for detail -- 1855 certs are goldmines for data, see further comment below. It is absolute delight to get an 1855 certificate. Christina CLYNE -- Her post-1854 cert will be recorded in standard format preprinted registers. For BDMs the Regitrars was required by law fill in all the boxes. Of course this depended to a great extent on the informant knowledge of the person being recorded. The 1855 certs were spread over 2 pages of the record book and required a lot of information. These were used only for that initial year of stautory registration. From 1856 the amount of data registered varied for a few years and was reduced to the present day single page entry. Where it is an illegitimate birth and the father was not present, his name is not always given on the initial entry. In such instances it is always a good idea to refer to the Register of Corrected Entries which often records the result of litigation to identify and name the father. Scotlands People will flag up such entries which will cost a further 5 credits. The above applies to Scottish Records not English records which will have to be searched for a Liverpool marriage. In this case your costs will be greater and you will not be sure if your index hits refer to your Davidson until you pay for the cert. Cheers, Sandy in Dumfries research Pittendreigh and Freeman in Aberddenshire and Kincardineshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Be prepared for a NIL return if your ancestor was born in the 1843-1854 period. The reason is that something like half the population had switched to the Free Church of Scotland in 1843, and most of the Free Church registers are not indexed. Most of the OPRs do NOT include Free Church baptisms, although a few do. From 1855, civil registration ensured that EVERY birth was registered in the one system. Gordon.

Further to my earlier comments on Bob's query: It is possible to 'play around with Scotlands People searches without spending anything but time on line. Alexander DAVIDSON birth search 1851 to 1854 gives 21 hits in Aberdeenshire.  = 1 credit (20p) to download. Same search 1855 to 1856 score 17 hits = 1 credit. The downloads will allow for a narrower choice of certs before spending any pounds. Christina CLYNE birth search 1855 to 1900 gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and 10 for ALL Districts again 1 cert to download. The Alexander DAVIDSON = Christina CLYNE marriage search  gives ZERO hits for Aberdeenshire and just a SINGLE hit for ALL Districts fidling with the dates gives this for 1880 to 1884. This is where I would spend my first quid. The marriage details will identify parents of both parties.  Then return to the Birth Certificates The marriage cert will identify the Parish where you could start looking for the children of this couple. Nice inexpensive way to spend a boring Sunday evening away from the tele. Cheers, Sandy researching PITTENDREIGH & FREEMAN in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire ________________________________ From: Sandy PITTENDREIGH <dfsgal@btinternet.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 November, 2009 18:11:24 Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson & Clyne Query I can't see that anyone has as yet directly addressed the enquiry from Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> which was: << I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b  c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again  Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. Robert is asking for direction regarding certificates and how to verify definite dates. >> Alexander DAVIDSON -- If borne pre-1855 then his details will be in the appropriate Old Parochial Register but the amount of data will depend on the clerk who kept the records at that time, there was no standard format.  Scotlands People have indexes in their pay-to-view site. The indexes, divided into Counties and Parishes list the birth registration dates and parents names. These pre-1855 index pages can be download at a cost of 1 credit (0.20 uk pnds) a page. When a likely candidate is identified it cost a further 5 credits (1 Uk pnd) to view and download the cert. If Alexander was actually born in 1855 then you are on to a winner, that would be the best you could ever get for detail -- 1855 certs are goldmines for data, see further comment below.  It is absolute delight to get an 1855 certificate. Christina CLYNE -- Her post-1854 cert will be recorded in standard format preprinted registers.  For BDMs the Regitrars was required by law fill in all the boxes.  Of course this depended to a great extent on the informant knowledge of the person being recorded. The 1855 certs were spread over 2 pages of the record book and required a lot of information.  These were used only for that initial year of stautory registration.  From 1856 the amount of data registered varied for a few years and was reduced to the present day single page entry.  Where it is an illegitimate birth and the father was not present, his name is not always given on the initial entry.  In such instances it is always a good idea to refer to the Register of Corrected Entries which often records the result of litigation to identify and name the father.  Scotlands People will flag up such entries which will cost a further 5 credits. The above applies to Scottish Records not English records which will have to be searched for a Liverpool marriage. In this case your costs will be greater and you will not be sure if your index hits refer to your Davidson until you pay for the cert.   Cheers, Sandy in Dumfries research Pittendreigh and Freeman in Aberddenshire and Kincardineshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't see that anyone has as yet directly addressed the enquiry from Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> which was: << I am assisting a cousin who is researching her Scottish roots and wondered if anyone can help regarding the following people: Alexander DAVIDSON b  c1854 we think Peterhead, married a Christina CLYNE b c1857 again  Peterhead, they had the following children: Arthur c1886, James c1887, Alexander c 1888,William c 1892 & Helen c 1895. James Davidson married an Ethel Pass. in 1914 in Liverpool. Robert is asking for direction regarding certificates and how to verify definite dates. >> Alexander DAVIDSON -- If borne pre-1855 then his details will be in the appropriate Old Parochial Register but the amount of data will depend on the clerk who kept the records at that time, there was no standard format.  Scotlands People have indexes in their pay-to-view site. The indexes, divided into Counties and Parishes list the birth registration dates and parents names. These pre-1855 index pages can be download at a cost of 1 credit (0.20 uk pnds) a page. When a likely candidate is identified it cost a further 5 credits (1 Uk pnd) to view and download the cert. If Alexander was actually born in 1855 then you are on to a winner, that would be the best you could ever get for detail -- 1855 certs are goldmines for data, see further comment below.  It is absolute delight to get an 1855 certificate. Christina CLYNE -- Her post-1854 cert will be recorded in standard format preprinted registers.  For BDMs the Regitrars was required by law fill in all the boxes.  Of course this depended to a great extent on the informant knowledge of the person being recorded. The 1855 certs were spread over 2 pages of the record book and required a lot of information.  These were used only for that initial year of stautory registration.  From 1856 the amount of data registered varied for a few years and was reduced to the present day single page entry.  Where it is an illegitimate birth and the father was not present, his name is not always given on the initial entry.  In such instances it is always a good idea to refer to the Register of Corrected Entries which often records the result of litigation to identify and name the father.  Scotlands People will flag up such entries which will cost a further 5 credits. The above applies to Scottish Records not English records which will have to be searched for a Liverpool marriage. In this case your costs will be greater and you will not be sure if your index hits refer to your Davidson until you pay for the cert.   Cheers, Sandy in Dumfries research Pittendreigh and Freeman in Aberddenshire and Kincardineshire

no problem, we all do it!! It's the learning curve!! Have a nice week......Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "MISS ADELINE MARTIN" <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:23 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re-OPR Certificates I would like to thank Ray and others who answered my question about the OPR death certs and I apologize to you Goldie for misunderstanding your original message on the subject of OPR Certs. Adeline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message