Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead Goldie said > Here is the information on George DAVIDSON, vintor. It comes of two films > of OPR's. #0993353 and #0993354 Peterhead. > Then I found this...DEATHS: > Nov 2 1844 Still child of George Davidson, Buchanhaven > (could this why the '51 census info goes from John age 16 to Amelia age > 8?) > AND THEN THIS~~DEATH > Nov 22 1848, George DAVISON, Buchanhaven, 51. > This would mean he was born 1797> . Thanks Goldie, I had the information on the family from the 1841 census but what I couldn't find was anything about the death of George Davidson; his wife Margaret being shown as a widow in the 1851 census. As you say, he would have been born c1797 which ties in with him being 40 in the 1841 census which rounded adult ages down to the nearest multiple of 5, but slightly earlier than I was assuming. It appears my original assumption based on occupations was wrong!! > Bairds seem to be residents of Buchanhaven as well, and there are quite a > few brothers there. I wonder what the connection between the Bairds and > the > Davidson's are? The Baird family members appear on the 1841 FreeCEN census data as residents of Buchanhaven. They are first on the list at that address, two households prior to the Davidson family. Three of the Davidson family were given the middle name Baird, including my gg grandfather William Baird Davidson. Quite a compliment for next door neighbours but one or maybe they were also good customers! Thanks again, Brian Davidson

Hi Leonie   I have some informatin but someone else also has some information on Aberdeen site also.   I have Isobel Gray who is William sister. Isobel Gray married WIlliam Mackie and they had a son by the name of William Gray Mackie b. 10 Sep 1841 who married Mary Ann Penny. Mary Ann Penny parents are John Penny and Mary Trail.   You will be getting info after they read this!!!!!    Vicki --- On Wed, 10/28/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:50 PM Would you like me to dig out these Baptistms for you off film #0993353, Peterhead?  Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonie Harding" <leonieharding@yahoo.com.au> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY > My paternal great great grandfather William GRAY was born 1811 in > Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland, son of Christina SANGSTER and William GRAY. > He was one of 10 children. His siblings were Janet, Margaret, Isobel, > Agnes, Christian, Mary (his twin), Jean, James, Thomas. > He married May McKENZIE 1843 in Peterhead. They had 3 children - May, > Jemima, William. > William left his family in Scotland and came to Australia to try his luck > on the goldfields where he died in 1859. > > If anyone is familiar with William or his family please contact me. > > Leonie Harding > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary A final fling on this topic: There are two photos of Auchnavaird farm and the approach to South Auchnavaird on the Geograph website which also has a map of the surroundings. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9440 For completeness, I offer one apology from me and one for FreeCEN. Gavin has produced more detailed information. Firstly, I missed the Auchnavaird entries on my1881 CDs. There are five families named STOTT, OGSTON, STUART, THOM and WALKER. William STOTT is 57. Secondly FreeCEN seems to have missed the 6 families at Auchnavaird in 1851. These are named STOTT, ALLAN, CONNAN, McKAY, WHYTE and WATSON. William STOTT is 27 so almost certainly the same guy who was still there in 1881. I have had a look at Thomson's 1832 map. Auchnavaird is present but not named, south of Elrick and east of Burngrains. So unfortunately we can't see how it might have been spelled then. This is all probably irrelevant now as you have revised the interpretation of the 1790 OPR entry in line with Auchnavaird! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Ray, great link! I found the family farm! It was quite fun! Thanks for sharing it! Laura -----Original Message----- >From: Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> >Sent: Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Auchnaven - Auchnavaird > >Hi Mary > >A final fling on this topic: > >There are two photos of Auchnavaird farm and the approach to South >Auchnavaird on the Geograph website which also has a map of the >surroundings. >See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9440 > >For completeness, I offer one apology from me and one for FreeCEN. Gavin has >produced more detailed information. > >Firstly, I missed the Auchnavaird entries on my1881 CDs. There are five >families named STOTT, OGSTON, STUART, THOM and WALKER. William STOTT is 57. > >Secondly FreeCEN seems to have missed the 6 families at Auchnavaird in >1851. These are named STOTT, ALLAN, CONNAN, McKAY, WHYTE and WATSON. >William STOTT is 27 so almost certainly the same guy who was still there in >1881. > >I have had a look at Thomson's 1832 map. Auchnavaird is present but not >named, south of Elrick and east of Burngrains. So unfortunately we can't see >how it might have been spelled then. > >This is all probably irrelevant now as you have revised the interpretation >of the 1790 OPR entry in line with Auchnavaird! > >-- >Best wishes > >Ray > >********************************************************** >>From Ray Hennessy >Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net >Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net >Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP >********************************************************** > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary We were about to ask you what the original source was. Script in 1790 is notoriously difficult to transcribe in some cases so it's good t hear you have re-examined the text. Re the lack of entries in the Census records which is, as you say, odd: There are two families living at "Auchnaverd" in Old Deer 1841. The heads in each case are Alexander SLESSER & Elizabeth SLESSER, presumably related. They aren't in Aberdeenshire on FreeCEN for 1851. I can't find a place similar to Auchnavaird in 1851 on FreeCEN. However, Gavin says the ANESFHS transcription of 1851 has folk at Auchnavaird but hasn't sent the names [he'll be off-line for the next few days]. As a member, you might like to contact the office and see if one of the volunteers can identify them for you. [Not that they are relevant in themselves except as a way of checking the representation of the placename.] I wonder if FreeCEN has missed a chunk of Old Deer??? Best wishes Ray 2009/11/17 Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > Hello Ray, > > thank you very much for your reply to my Auchnaven / Auchnavend / > Auchnavaird dilemma, and since I posted the query I have been > re-examining the entry in the OPR for the baptism of Margaret Youngson > - and am now pretty certain that the script says " Auchnavaird ". It > is definitely in the parish of Old Deer, but the script is pretty > florid with lots of swirls and curliques, pretty difficult to make out, > but I am going to plump for Auchnavaird. > > Rather odd about the absence of the place in the 1881 census, the > baptismal entry was for 1790, and Auchnavaird is definitely on the > modern map. I am a member of the anesfhs and would love to be able to > pop in and read the transcriptions - only I live on the other end of > the British Isles! > > Thank you again, > Mary >

Hello Ray, thank you very much for your reply to my Auchnaven / Auchnavend / Auchnavaird dilemma, and since I posted the query I have been re-examining the entry in the OPR for the baptism of Margaret Youngson - and am now pretty certain that the script says " Auchnavaird ". It is definitely in the parish of Old Deer, but the script is pretty florid with lots of swirls and curliques, pretty difficult to make out, but I am going to plump for Auchnavaird. Rather odd about the absence of the place in the 1881 census, the baptismal entry was for 1790, and Auchnavaird is definitely on the modern map. I am a member of the anesfhs and would love to be able to pop in and read the transcriptions - only I live on the other end of the British Isles! Thank you again, Mary

Here is the information on George DAVIDSON, vintor. It comes of two films of OPR's. #0993353 and #0993354 Peterhead. Marriage; 2 Mar 1826 George Davidson, vinter, and Margaret Smart both in Peterhead. Baptisms.....(some of these were written on double pages with columns; date, name, father's name, residence, and witnesses. 1. 8 July 1826, Alexander, F. George Davidson,vinter Pthd, wits Alexander and William Davidson. 2. 17 Feb 1728 Margaret Alexander, F. George Davidson,vinter, Pthd, wits Alexander Davidson and Alexander Baird. 3. 9 Jul 1831, George Davidson, vintor in Buchanhaven had a son baptised and named George before Alexander Davidson and Alexander Baird. 4. 10 aug 1833 George Davidson, vintor in Buchanhaven had a daughter baptised named Barbara Baird before Alexander Baird and William Baird. 5.14 Jul 1835 George Davidson vintor in Peterhead had a son baptised and named William Baird before Alexander Baird and William Baird 6. 22 Dec 1836 George Davidson vintor in Buchanhaven had a son named John before Alexander Baird and William Baird. 7. Amelia, shows as age 8 on the 1851 census so likely born 1843>, but she isn't on the film, that I found, after 2 searches. 8. David Baird b 23 Oct 1846 baptised 10 Nov 1846 not found on film (this from IGI) I may have missed it. 9. 20 Sept 1848 George Davidson, crofter at Buchanhaven and Margaret Smart his wife had a daughter born 20th baptised and named Jane before Alexander and William Baird. 10. 1851 shows another Jane born age 2, but she doesn't show up on the films either that I could find. ** you need to know that not all the baptisms and marriages are in order, so while I did search years on both sides of what I thought would have been a birth year, I didn't find them. Then I found this...DEATHS: Nov 2 1844 Still child of George Davidson, Buchanhaven (could this why the '51 census info goes from John age 16 to Amelia age 8?) AND THEN THIS~~DEATH Nov 22 1848, George DAVISON, Buchanhaven, 51. This would mean he was born 1797> . This record also explains the reason why on the 1851 Alexander is considered a 'crofter', since the records state George was a vinter until 1848 when Jane was born, and I would think she must have died and the last child was then named Jane also, who obviously was born after her father died. Likely that info would be in the Kirk Session Minutes, but still odd she didn't show up on the films. Anyhow, hope this helps somewhat with the search. And by the way, the Bairds seem to be residents of Buchanhaven as well, and there are quite a few brothers there. I wonder what the connection between the Bairds and the Davidson's are? If you find that out you can let me know because I have a Mary Ann Baird McRae b 1852..she married James Anderson 1871 Peterhead. I am wondering where does the Baird come from? Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > > Thank you for the replies to my questions. I shall heed the advice, > continue > my research with caution, not jump to conclusions and follow up some of > the > promising links you provided with regard to Memorial Inscriptions in the > hope of finding some hard data. As a bonus, thanks to John, most of us > will > have learned something about Scotland's Licensing Laws. > Thank you, > Brian Davidson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary I have just had a look at the FreeCEN 1841 Census and the spelling there is Auchnaverd. There doesn't appear to be any record of that or a similar placename for 1851. As I also couldn't find Auchnavaird [nor any similar placename] on the 1881 CD for Old Deer the question arises: Where did you find the two spellings? If they were in the OPR, was it a transcription by someone else and did you examine the original? I have been discussing your query with Gavin and we wonder if the actual location could just possibly be Auchnagatt. While a conversion over time from Auchnaven(d) to Auchnavair is more likely, a misread of Auchnagatt is just about feasible. The reading on 1841 of Auchnaverd seems to promote the case for Auchnavaird. Examination of the original films might help resolve the question. Auchnagatt is a small village/hamlet on the parish boundary. It is formally just within New Deer but parts of its area now spill into Old Deer. It is at NJ931418. See http://bit.ly/Auchnagatt [set the zoom scale to 1:50,000 or 1:100,000] -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

I'm going to he FHC just now and will gather all I can on this family, for BJ ----? Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead Hi I do know that the Peterhead Yahoo Group has a great listing for BMD for the Peterhead area. Have You tried them yet? Vicki --- On Sat, 11/14/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 2:55 PM One of the Peterhead films has lists of deaths. I can have a look for him if BJ wants, next Tuesday. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > Margaret and family still appear to be in Buchanhaven, Peterhead in the > 1851 > census but she is a widow with Alexander head of the family and a 'Crofter > of 6ac' The youngest child is 2 so George must have died between 1849-51 > which means no death certificate I'm afraid. > > Isobel Davidson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> > > >>I have just started to research the male side of my family tree and am new > to the List so >>I hope I am not going over old ground. Using 'Scotland's People' website I > have managed >>to trace back via a line of William Davidson, all farm workers, to a >>George > Davidson of >>Buchanhaven, Peterhead listed in the 1841 census as aged 40, occupation >>Sp. > dist.(which I >>take to be Spirits Distributor.) From family birth certificate records I > know he married >>a Margaret Smart on 23-03-1826, both from Peterhead, and that he gave his > occupation as >>'vintner'. I grew up in N.E. Scotland from the 1940s to the 1960s and I > cannot recall >>ever coming across 'vintner' as an occupation. Obviously, I know it means > wine merchant >>today, but my questions are:- >> a) what exactly was a 'vintner' back then? >> b) how common was it as an occupation? >> c) is it likely to have passed from father to son? >> I have traced a Charles Davidson who had a son,George, by his wife >> Jean > Farquhar, in >> 1801 and who also gives his occupation as 'vintner' but the location is > Inverurie. In >> the absence of any other George Davidson born around 1800 in the locality > of Peterhead, >> how confident can I be that I am making the correct link to the birth of > George Davidson >> and is there any other means by which I can confirm it? >> Thanks in hopeful anticipation, >> Brian Davidson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the offer to look up anything urgent but my questions will keep for now. Janet

Hi   I do know that the Peterhead Yahoo Group has a great listing for BMD for the Peterhead area. Have You tried them yet?   Vicki --- On Sat, 11/14/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 2:55 PM One of the Peterhead films has lists of deaths.  I can have a look for him if BJ wants, next Tuesday.  Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > Margaret and family still appear to be in Buchanhaven, Peterhead in the > 1851 > census but she is a widow with Alexander head of the family and a 'Crofter > of 6ac' The youngest child is 2 so George must have died between 1849-51 > which means no death certificate I'm afraid. > > Isobel Davidson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> > > >>I have just started to research the male side of my family tree and am new > to the List so >>I hope I am not going over old ground. Using 'Scotland's People' website I > have managed >>to trace back via a line of William Davidson, all farm workers, to a >>George > Davidson of >>Buchanhaven, Peterhead listed in the 1841 census as aged 40, occupation >>Sp. > dist.(which I >>take to be Spirits Distributor.) From family birth certificate records I > know he married >>a Margaret Smart on 23-03-1826, both from Peterhead, and that he gave his > occupation as >>'vintner'. I grew up in N.E. Scotland from the 1940s to the 1960s and I > cannot recall >>ever coming across 'vintner' as an occupation. Obviously, I know it means > wine merchant >>today, but my questions are:- >> a) what exactly was a 'vintner'  back then? >> b) how common was it as an occupation? >> c) is it likely to have passed from father to son? >>    I have traced a Charles Davidson who had a son,George, by his wife >> Jean > Farquhar, in >> 1801 and who also gives his occupation as 'vintner' but the location is > Inverurie. In >> the absence of any other George Davidson born around 1800 in the locality > of Peterhead, >> how confident can I be that I am making the correct link to the birth of > George Davidson >> and is there any other means by which I can confirm it? >> Thanks in hopeful anticipation, >> Brian Davidson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

2009/11/14 Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> wrote: Thank you Ray, I had wondered about Auchnavaird but wondered if this was the > modern version of an old name or if the place was elsewhere in Old Deer. > _____________________________________________ I have to confess, Mary, that I don't know for sure that Auchnavaird is the same as Auchnaven/Auchnavend. It just seems likely! Some six years ago I recorded all the names on the 2002 OS map - together with the grid references - for four parishes in which we had a deep interest & the names without GRs for another seven in the same area. There is no other name remotely like the ones you seek in OD or in these surrounding parishes though I haven't looked at all of them, e.g. Rathen, Cruden, Ellon. One way to find out if these are the same places, might be to scan the Census records for Old Deer to see if some families are in the differently named places from census to census. However, I have just scanned the 1881 CD for Old Deer and can't find mention of any of these placenames. It should be in ED9 but no luck. Scanning the microfilms is another possible approach - if you have the stomach for it!! ANESFHS have some printed transcriptions which they might be able to read for you - if you are a member, of course. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

I thought there might be local laws to be brought into the matter Gordon. Thanks for making this point. During WW1 the only people not to take up a ban on embibing of alcohol were the politicians! Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> > To add to the discussion about licensing laws, the local burghs > regulated the sale of products including beer, wine and spirits for many > centuries. One can find details of burgh regulation defining the > quantity of the beer in containers, and there were official tasters who > sampled the product to check that it had not been watered down. > However, this is an historical aside, as the hours of opening were > seldom regulated except for the Sabbath. > Gordon Johnson.

To add to the discussion about licensing laws, the local burghs regulated the sale of products including beer, wine and spirits for many centuries. One can find details of burgh regulation defining the quantity of the beer in containers, and there were official tasters who sampled the product to check that it had not been watered down. However, this is an historical aside, as the hours of opening were seldom regulated except for the Sabbath. Gordon Johnson.

----- Original Message ----- From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead Thank you for the replies to my questions. I shall heed the advice, continue my research with caution, not jump to conclusions and follow up some of the promising links you provided with regard to Memorial Inscriptions in the hope of finding some hard data. As a bonus, thanks to John, most of us will have learned something about Scotland's Licensing Laws. Thank you, Brian Davidson

Apologies, I think a mail slipped through my fingers. If reports are accurate the Gin epidemic in London in 1740 was the trigger for the Licensing Law. From that time, they appear to be much the same, though I dont know if Scotland has given the Landlord or tenant the option to open all day. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> > Thanks, John > > That seems to clear up our/my misapprehensions!! > > Ray > _____________________________________________ > > 2009/11/15 John Simpson <jasimpson123@yahoo.co.uk>: >> Re previous emails about the history of licensing law in Scotland, the > following extract might be of interest. It comes from a 2003 paper by Bruce > Ritson entitled "ALCOHOL LICENSING LAWS: PROPOSALS FOR CHANGES IN SCOTTISH > LAW" >> "In August 2003 the Nicholson Committee published a review of Licensing > Law in Scotland (Nicholson Committee,2003). Licensing legislation has a long > history in Scotland and its content has always differed significantly from > that of England. For a long period it was more restrictive, although not so > in recent years. The first licensing legislation, making it a requirement to > register to sell alcohol, was introduced in1756. In l887, the Hours of > Closing Act fixed closing time at10 p.m. in all but the largest cities. > There was a gradual evolution of licensing laws during the 19th > century,culminating in the Licensing Act (Scotland) in 1903. The regulations > imposed at that time persisted with some minor changes, until the 1962 Acts > that provided for standard permitted hours for the whole of Scotland and for > Sunday opening (largely restricted to hotels). In 1971, a committee under > the chairmanship of Dr Christopher Clayson was formed, with many of its > conclusions incorporated into the Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976, which > formed the basis of licensing law to the present (Clayson Report, 1973). >> John Simpson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Licencing Law in Scotland > Thanks, John > > That seems to clear up our/my misapprehensions!! > > Ray > _____________________________________________ > > 2009/11/15 John Simpson <jasimpson123@yahoo.co.uk>: >> Re previous emails about the history of licensing law in Scotland, the > following extract might be of interest. It comes from a 2003 paper by Bruce > Ritson entitled "ALCOHOL LICENSING LAWS: PROPOSALS FOR CHANGES IN SCOTTISH > LAW" >> "In August 2003 the Nicholson Committee published a review of Licensing > Law in Scotland (Nicholson Committee,2003). Licensing legislation has a long > history in Scotland and its content has always differed significantly from > that of England. For a long period it was more restrictive, although not so > in recent years. The first licensing legislation, making it a requirement to > register to sell alcohol, was introduced in1756. In l887, the Hours of > Closing Act fixed closing time at10 p.m. in all but the largest cities. > There was a gradual evolution of licensing laws during the 19th > century,culminating in the Licensing Act (Scotland) in 1903. The regulations > imposed at that time persisted with some minor changes, until the 1962 Acts > that provided for standard permitted hours for the whole of Scotland and for > Sunday opening (largely restricted to hotels). In 1971, a committee under > the chairmanship of Dr Christopher Clayson was formed, with many of its > conclusions incorporated into the Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976, which > formed the basis of licensing law to the present (Clayson Report, 1973). >> John Simpson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, John That seems to clear up our/my misapprehensions!! Ray _____________________________________________ 2009/11/15 John Simpson <jasimpson123@yahoo.co.uk>: > Re previous emails about the history of licensing law in Scotland, the following extract might be of interest. It comes from a 2003 paper by Bruce Ritson entitled "ALCOHOL LICENSING LAWS: PROPOSALS FOR CHANGES IN SCOTTISH LAW" > "In August 2003 the Nicholson Committee published a review of Licensing Law in Scotland (Nicholson Committee,2003). Licensing legislation has a long history in Scotland and its content has always differed significantly from that of England. For a long period it was more restrictive, although not so in recent years. The first licensing legislation, making it a requirement to register to sell alcohol, was introduced in1756. In l887, the Hours of Closing Act fixed closing time at10 p.m. in all but the largest cities. There was a gradual evolution of licensing laws during the 19th century,culminating in the Licensing Act (Scotland) in 1903. The regulations imposed at that time persisted with some minor changes, until the 1962 Acts that provided for standard permitted hours for the whole of Scotland and for Sunday opening (largely restricted to hotels). In 1971, a committee under the chairmanship of Dr Christopher Clayson was formed, with many of its conclusions incorporated into the Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976, which formed the basis of licensing law to the present (Clayson Report, 1973). > John Simpson

Someone said here earlier, that it was safer to drink beer than water, and though one might not immediately think of it, it has to be so. In my studies I found that it was often the case that similar laws in Scotland were implemented soon after those in England & Wales. I suspect the 18th century to be a significant time factor for both. As a matter of interest, do you know when licensing commenced in Scotland Gavin? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> | Janet wrote: | | >As far as I can recall Licensing Laws were introduced in response to the Gin Epidemic of | >the 18th century when by 1740 there was more gin being produced than beer. Legislation | >was more successful than a tax on gin producers because it restricted its sale to licensed | >only premises. | > | > | | But I fancy that legislation applied to England, not to Scotland. | Licensing (for the sale of alcohol) has long been different in the two | countries. | | | Gavin Bell

Last kick at the cat, I'm going back on tuesday, is there something you want badly on the films? I have 0993353 and 0993354 here now but they go back to Salt Lake on Tues evening. Goldie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C & J Hinricks" <candjhinricks@xtra.co.nz> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] PETERHEAD > Hi Goldie > I have found the Peterhead site always fairly quiet. Am surprised at how > quiet the Aberdeen one has been lately. > Hope you found what you were looking for on the film. I found the one I > had > almost impossible to read with the poor quality readers at our local LDS. > Had waited 5 months to get it so was very brassed off. > Janet > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >