goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > Yes, I had Bettrick, but on one of the census she is listed as > Beatrice....so thinking of the writing on the OPR's I thought 'someone > misread the name' In this case, I suspect the two diferent readings of the name could well have been correctly transcribed. If you check the name on Ray Hennessy's website: http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=beatrice you will see that many variations of the name are recorded, and in the earlier 1800s, such variability was quite common. The notion of a single "correct" spelling is much more modern. Gavin Bell

Suzanne - you are assuming a consistent family, and consistent levels of expertise/research ability/cooperative approach. Everyone has run accross family members either uninterested in family history OR want to do their own thing in their own way OR has "found" relatives (they were the only candidates on the online indexes) and don't want to be told they are wrong OR don't want to reveal illegitimacy/crime/scandal in the family line OR (and so on). The next problem is that any person has two parents, and so two lines to research, and unless you are both siblings, these lines are at least 50 per cent different. The only way you can get a "central" database is by building up a massive file that includes thousands of people as contributers, and even the Mormons have found difficulty in guaranteeing data provided by their members. Really, the only way you can ensure reliability of data input, to an acceptable standard, is for one person to control it, which effectively means your own direct family database. You can put this online in a number of ways, for other people to connect with their own databases, but as soon as you connect with another database, one of you loses control of the quality assurance of the data. There are so many aspects to this type of discussion that it always ends up - do it yourself! Gordon

AMEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools > Suzanne - you are assuming a consistent family, and consistent levels of > expertise/research ability/cooperative approach. > Everyone has run accross family members either uninterested in family > history OR want to do their own thing in their own way OR has "found" > relatives (they were the only candidates on the online indexes) and > don't want to be told they are wrong OR don't want to reveal > illegitimacy/crime/scandal in the family line OR (and so on). > The next problem is that any person has two parents, and so two lines to > research, and unless you are both siblings, these lines are at least 50 > per cent different. The only way you can get a "central" database is by > building up a massive file that includes thousands of people as > contributers, and even the Mormons have found difficulty in guaranteeing > data provided by their members. > Really, the only way you can ensure reliability of data input, to an > acceptable standard, is for one person to control it, which effectively > means your own direct family database. You can put this online in a > number of ways, for other people to connect with their own databases, > but as soon as you connect with another database, one of you loses > control of the quality assurance of the data. > There are so many aspects to this type of discussion that it always ends > up - do it yourself! > Gordon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

2009/11/19 Cci <cci@arach.net.au> wrote privately: Hi Ray, > Catherine here. Could I ask for some help with this place name for a > relative of mine. The name is/looks like > > al auquharsy > > I've looked in the paishes for Aberdeenshire and Banff but can't see > anything close. I can send an attachment of it, if that would help. Many > thanks, Catherine > _______________________________________ Hi Catherine I searched the Genuki Aberdeenshire gazetteer on *quhar* [i.e. Names containing quhar] and found seven. Of these the one that looks very likely is AUQUHARNEY in Cruden. How does that suit? I'm not sure what the "al" means on your sample letters??? As this is so close to your extract, I didn't go so far as to extend my search to Banffshire!! Auquharney House is at NK023380 You can see it at http://bit.ly/Auquharney [set zoom to level 4, 1:50000] Mains of Auquharney and Easter Auquharney [which may be where your "..al.." comes from] are at the bottom edge of the map as shown. -- Best wishes Ray PS I've copied this to the Aberdeen List in case anyone else is interested in Auquharney. The House looks fairly substantial on the maps; the area covered by the three named locations is about a square mile. ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

I agree with Gordon. Online collaboration is fraught with issues in the business world with people not liking it when someone else edits their text in a way they disagree with... Tracking changes gets complicated and messy when you have too many people working on the same thing. Consensus building is something that is rather new to a lot of people and when it comes to their family identity they tend to be very protective of it. Much more so than a business presentation or brief. Having said that, I am not adverse to doing it, just want to go in with my eyes open and with everyone else having an understanding of how it works and what level of control you have and you give up. What I do is list my sources on every entry. If I have an entry that does not ring right with me, I will list it with a note stating why I have an issue with it or that it disagrees with another researcher. Then I try to get all of us to talk together via email to resolve the question. This helps correct multiple trees that are hanging out there that are just dead wrong. We have all made a mistake because someone we trusted told us something they believed to be true and it wasn't. How many of us have grown up hearing a favorite family story only to find out it was completely untrue once we stepped into the real world of genealogical research. I discovered one of my great grandparents was adopted and no one in the family knew it. The family stories were so entrenched they were sure I was making this up until I literally presented the paperwork. But I research both the birth family and the adoptive one because both shaped my great grandfather. Family is traditions it is not horse breeding and genealogy has room for both views in it. For me, what I do is a family narrative that is not just a collection of facts like names and dates and places, but a living breathing document that tells my contemporaries and those who will come after me the life stories of these people. I want to bring to life how they lived, what they endured, what they celebrated, and literally who they were as much as I possibly can. To do that you have to blend some fact with some assumptions that help to round out the facts. Speculation is fine as long as it is listed as speculation and not as fact. Hence I add the source info and try to add any historical references I have used besides the normal vital record stuff. I use the genie programs to create charts but I write narratives to explain them. The worst thing is to take a chart that has no sources and no notes along with it. By citing the sources I know who to go back to and where the information came from. I also can tell where I have blended in historical references to help me understand these folks. Families are wonderful. They all have their share of saints and sinners and those of us who deal with this a lot have found our scoundrels and have found those people we wish we could sit down and have dinner with...to get to know them better. To me these folks are like different spices...sometimes they blend well and the aroma and taste of the stew is wonderful... and sometimes there is an overpowering spice...that can spoil a given batch...people and families are a lot like that. We have sugary folks, peppery folks, fiery folks, soothing folks, folks with a lot of taste and style, and simple folks. Your question is a good one and as more and more improvements get made to cyberspace, and more and more young folks who are adept at the cyber world start researching their roots we will see more of this because they are used to online living and sharing at a level many of us have trouble even thinking about even though it is available today. But just because it is on line does not make it true or real. I think it is important to look at what we want as a final outcome and let that guide the level of interaction. It is neat to be able to compare what you have to others like GenCircles does, but there is bad data out there too. I have found many cousins via that, Geneanet, LDS, and a host of other family web sites. All of this is good because it allows for interaction of family members. Laura > [Original Message] > From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/19/2009 9:59:08 AM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools > > Suzanne - you are assuming a consistent family, and consistent levels of > expertise/research ability/cooperative approach. > Everyone has run accross family members either uninterested in family > history OR want to do their own thing in their own way OR has "found" > relatives (they were the only candidates on the online indexes) and > don't want to be told they are wrong OR don't want to reveal > illegitimacy/crime/scandal in the family line OR (and so on). > The next problem is that any person has two parents, and so two lines to > research, and unless you are both siblings, these lines are at least 50 > per cent different. The only way you can get a "central" database is by > building up a massive file that includes thousands of people as > contributers, and even the Mormons have found difficulty in guaranteeing > data provided by their members. > Really, the only way you can ensure reliability of data input, to an > acceptable standard, is for one person to control it, which effectively > means your own direct family database. You can put this online in a > number of ways, for other people to connect with their own databases, > but as soon as you connect with another database, one of you loses > control of the quality assurance of the data. > There are so many aspects to this type of discussion that it always ends > up - do it yourself! > Gordon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I had Bettrick, but on one of the census she is listed as Beatrice....so thinking of the writing on the OPR's I thought 'someone misread the name'.......This mariage wasn't on the films I just finished, they only went to 1854. Thank you for the offer of the newspaper clipping, and any other info you may have. "Snuffy Tammy".......what a hoot!! would it likely re-word to "Stuffy Tommmy" now I wonder? LOL.......Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Kennedy" <alison2kennedy@btinternet.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ROSEHAEASTER, ABD. > Hi Goldie > > I think you might mean Rosehearty - fishing village mid-way between the > Broch (Fraserburgh) and Banff. > > I believe Thomas Morrison aka "Snuffy Tammy" was married twice (1) > Elizabeth Walker (1826); and (2) Bettrick Ritchie. I have a newspaper > article on Thomas which I will e-mail you later today. > > Alison > > > On 19 Nov 2009, at 03:23, "goldie and Lido Doratti" wrote: > > Can anyone tell me where Roseheaster Abd, is and if they have any info on > a Ritchie family with a daughter Beatrice/Beatrick born about 1825 there? > She married Thomas Morrison, shoemaker, in 1858 Peterhead and had Margaret > b abt 1860, James abt 1863 Cathrine abt 1867 and died before 1881. I know > I can get her death info at SP but I just wonder if anyone has any info to > tie these children into their trees? Thanks, Goldie > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary, We have in our family a number of Barrons from the New Deer/Old Deer and surrounding areas, any tie with yours do you think. Alexander Howie Bn 1790 Auchindore(?) Dd 2nd July 1859 Leary Fordell Wanganui NZ. married Jean Barron Bn 29 Nov 1792 Tullynessie Dd 21 Oct 1860 Learny Fordell Wanganui NZ. Jeans parents are William Barron and Helen Sorrie married 19 Dec 1791.Have more info on William and Helens other children. Wayne

Hi Goldie I think you might mean Rosehearty - fishing village mid-way between the Broch (Fraserburgh) and Banff. I believe Thomas Morrison aka "Snuffy Tammy" was married twice (1) Elizabeth Walker (1826); and (2) Bettrick Ritchie. I have a newspaper article on Thomas which I will e-mail you later today. Alison On 19 Nov 2009, at 03:23, "goldie and Lido Doratti" wrote: Can anyone tell me where Roseheaster Abd, is and if they have any info on a Ritchie family with a daughter Beatrice/Beatrick born about 1825 there? She married Thomas Morrison, shoemaker, in 1858 Peterhead and had Margaret b abt 1860, James abt 1863 Cathrine abt 1867 and died before 1881. I know I can get her death info at SP but I just wonder if anyone has any info to tie these children into their trees? Thanks, Goldie

Hi Suzanne You might want to have a look at Tribal Pages on www.tribalpages.com, which I use for my own family tree. You can see mine on www.johnsimpson.tribalpages.com Although I have retained the "editing" role to myself, it is possible for you to also allocate an editing role to other members of your family/group, with (I think) varying levels of authority. You can have the site as a completely closed user group, or you can open it to varying degrees (eg to family members only or by invitation and/or to exclude living people etc). You can have a number of quite separate trees on your one account, which can either be free or paid-for (with different capacity levels) The report generating system is quite good and you can import/export gedcoms. Attaching photos is easy, and some people have customised their site to add music, videos etc. You can cite sources etc and link to them, but I'm not sure about actually attaching them - other than as photos. Worth considering, anyway. Good luck. John From: "Suzanne Walker" <swalker7736@yahoo.com> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools Hello, all.  I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any recommendations either pro or con.  This has come to the forefront for me recently as another family member has become quite interested in genealogy.  It would be great to be able to work off of one central file, rather than create redundant data. In my ideal world: -- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only.  Perhaps with different levels of permissions for different viewers? -- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be excellent -- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material -- it is possible to generate reports -- it can handle thousands of entries -- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML export from paf/ged/etc. -- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. -- Free is always nice, but not mandatory -- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. Thanks!  I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to narrow in on some best practices for this. Best, Suzanne

Suzanne, The LDS's new FamilySearch (new.familysearch.org) has many of your features. However, you must be a member of the LDS (Mormon) church to use it. It is missing some key features, the most significant is the ability to export GEDCOMs (it will accept GEDCOM imports). As far as I know there is no other similar system. At 08:16 PM 11/18/2009, you wrote: >From: "Suzanne Walker" <swalker7736@yahoo.com> >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools > >Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting >with online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you >have any recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the >forefront for me recently as another family member has become quite >interested in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off >of one central file, rather than create redundant data. > >In my ideal world: >-- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with >different levels of permissions for different viewers? >-- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be excellent >-- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material >-- it is possible to generate reports >-- it can handle thousands of entries >-- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML >export from paf/ged/etc. >-- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. >-- Free is always nice, but not mandatory >-- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. > >Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try >to narrow in on some best practices for this. > >Best, >Suzanne ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ynCBL71FrKzztKjOY5X0ngAAJ1HRPJtV0UPWIFV2n9W87NGdAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ=

Hi Suzanne, At 08:16 PM 11/18/2009, you wrote: >I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online >collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any >recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront >for me recently as another family member has become quite interested >in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one >central file, rather than create redundant data. You might want to check out One Great Family. I have my BISSET tree there. What I like is that I have control over merging information that is not exactly the same. I can collaborate with others who have posted information that seems to match mine. If we agree on the changes necessary to make it match, we can merge it. If we disagree, the data remains as two separate items. Many more features, but rather than try to list them, I suggest the information on the site will be much more informative for you. Regards, Joe

Can anyone tell me where Roseheaster Abd, is and if they have any info on a Ritchie family with a daughter Beatrice/Beatrick born about 1825 there? She married Thomas Morrison, shoemaker, in 1858 Peterhead and had Margaret b abt 1860, James abt 1863 Cathrine abt 1867 and died before 1881. I know I can get her death info at SP but I just wonder if anyone has any info to tie these children into their trees? Thanks, Goldie

Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront for me recently as another family member has become quite interested in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one central file, rather than create redundant data. In my ideal world: -- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with different levels of permissions for different viewers? -- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be excellent -- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material -- it is possible to generate reports -- it can handle thousands of entries -- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML export from paf/ged/etc. -- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. -- Free is always nice, but not mandatory -- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to narrow in on some best practices for this. Best, Suzanne

I show a William MACKIE born before 1825 as a ship master. He is married to Isabelle GRAY born before 1825. She is the daughter of William GRAY and Christina SANGSTER. I show one son, William Gray MACKIE born 10 Sep 1841 Peterhead.death is unclear.. I have notes that say: Resides at 9 Prince Street Death info is confusing to me. It says: + William Gray Mackie (b. Sept. 10, 1841, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, ship carpenter, 9 Prince Street, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, son of William Mackie, ship master and Isabella Gray, d. June 1868, Bromley, Poplar, London, MDX) on Oct. 22, 1868, at Auchtydore. In 1881, (FHL Film 1341114, PRO Ref. RG11, Piece 0509, Folio 17, Page 27), Dwelling 43 Bow Lane, Poplar, London, Middlesex, England, Jane (?) Mackie, married, 32, b. Aberdeen, Scotland, Sct., wife (head), ship carpenter wife Someone can't die twice in two different places so either a line is missing or this is confused. It is possible that the William who died in 1868 was the father married to Isabelle Gray. That would make more sense. The son William Gray MACKIE is a ship carpenter and married to Mary Ann PENNY daughter of John Penny and Mary TRAIL. She was born 16 Nov 1848 Auchtydore, Longside and died after 1901 Bronleyu, Poplar, London, Middlesex, England. Marriage was 22 Oct 1868 Longside. They had 2 children I know about. William Gray MACKIE was also married to Jane LAURANCE BORN 1849 (there are several with the name and it gets confusing)... they were married before 1871 4 children Back to Gray... Willaim Gray and Christina Sangster had 10 children. we coverd Isabelle above, the other 9 are: William 1811 - 1859 Married May McKenzie and they had 3 children May, Jemina, William Janet late 1700s to early 1800s Margaret late 1700s to early 1800s Agnes late 1700s to early 1800s Christian late 1700s to early 1800s Mary 1811 Jean late 1700s to early 1800s James late 1700s to early 1800s Thomas late 1700s to early 1800s I have multiple sources for the above info. Keep laughing Goldie, I hear it healthy for you! Laura > [Original Message] > From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/18/2009 4:39:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie > > So after I read this, I can't add a thing now.........I'm laughing here. I > had two Peterhead films #0993353 and #0993354, but sent both back yesterday. > So I can't add a thing to this. There was a site that I could google > Peterhead Genealogy and it was a good one!! Anything I got off that site I > could prove on the films. I need a new computer this one is slow, so I > don't know if that's why I can no longer get it, or if it's been yanked off > the net. I wish someone would tell me!! When doing my Peterhead research > on a Walker family, and reading several books, I do know there was a very > prominent GRAY family in Peterhead who were whalers. Part of one story I > recall reading had to do with a ship that got left in the ice and in the > spring, Capt. Grays son went and brought it back.... > If you tie into the whaling family I can tell you one thing for certain, > fasten your seat belt because this is fascinating research. I got so far > off the track reading that I thought I was cold and that was last August > when it was +35C out. I jest you not!! Walkers married into the Mackie > family so I may have something connected there. I'll have a > boo...........no promises though. Try surfing Gray and see if you hit on a > web site to do with the Whaling Gray family, you may discover a list of > children. I'm trying to put the Walker family to bed and now this!! LOL, > :) good luck. Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:04 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie > > > Hi Leonie > > I have some informatin but someone else also has some information on > Aberdeen site also. > > I have Isobel Gray who is William sister. > Isobel Gray married WIlliam Mackie and they had a son by the name of William > Gray Mackie b. 10 Sep 1841 who married Mary Ann Penny. Mary Ann Penny > parents are John Penny and Mary Trail. > > You will be getting info after they read this!!!!! > > Vicki > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:50 PM > > > Would you like me to dig out these Baptistms for you off film #0993353, > Peterhead? Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leonie Harding" <leonieharding@yahoo.com.au> > To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:35 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY > > > > My paternal great great grandfather William GRAY was born 1811 in > > Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland, son of Christina SANGSTER and William GRAY. > > He was one of 10 children. His siblings were Janet, Margaret, Isobel, > > Agnes, Christian, Mary (his twin), Jean, James, Thomas. > > He married May McKENZIE 1843 in Peterhead. They had 3 children - May, > > Jemima, William. > > William left his family in Scotland and came to Australia to try his luck > > on the goldfields where he died in 1859. > > > > If anyone is familiar with William or his family please contact me. > > > > Leonie Harding > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ > > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alexander Davidson married Jane Baird Regards Isobel Davidson Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead Goldie said > Here is the information on George DAVIDSON, vintor. It comes of two films > of OPR's. #0993353 and #0993354 Peterhead. > Then I found this...DEATHS: > Nov 2 1844 Still child of George Davidson, Buchanhaven > (could this why the '51 census info goes from John age 16 to Amelia age > 8?) > AND THEN THIS~~DEATH > Nov 22 1848, George DAVISON, Buchanhaven, 51. > This would mean he was born 1797> . Thanks Goldie, I had the information on the family from the 1841 census but what I couldn't find was anything about the death of George Davidson; his wife Margaret being shown as a widow in the 1851 census. As you say, he would have been born c1797 which ties in with him being 40 in the 1841 census which rounded adult ages down to the nearest multiple of 5, but slightly earlier than I was assuming. It appears my original assumption based on occupations was wrong!! > Bairds seem to be residents of Buchanhaven as well, and there are quite a > few brothers there. I wonder what the connection between the Bairds and > the > Davidson's are? The Baird family members appear on the 1841 FreeCEN census data as residents of Buchanhaven. They are first on the list at that address, two households prior to the Davidson family. Three of the Davidson family were given the middle name Baird, including my gg grandfather William Baird Davidson. Quite a compliment for next door neighbours but one or maybe they were also good customers! Thanks again, Brian Davidson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ray, very pleased that the Bozzays have got some useful stuff out of the Auchnaven - Auchnavaird conundrum! The name crops up as the place where our Margaret Youngson's parents were from in 1790. I have the baptismal entry, so it wasn't a problem sitting with it - and a whisky - one evening, and attempting to make out the ( beautiful but sometimes impenetrable ) handwriting. Margaret was born to William Youngson and Isabel Shirar and baptised " before the congregation " in Old Deer on 17th March 1790. She married John Barron in August 1810 in Old Deer but by the census in 1841 John and Margaret were farming at Brucehill, New Deer, with their family. I have not been able to find a marriage for William Youngson and Isabel Shirar. There are entries of baptism in the IGI for William Youngson in 1762 in Slains, son of another William Youngson, and for Isabel in Bonnykelly or Borneykelly in New Deer in 1772 to an Adam Shiran and a Margaret Davidson, but I am in no way certain that these are the correct parents for them......... they are not on Scotland's people, and 1772 would have meant that Isabel was only 13 when she had her first child. Perhaps a wee bit young?!! Many thanks for the very interesting information regarding the families in Auchnavaird in the later census, the names in our families in Old & New Deer would have been: YOUNGSON, SHIRAR, BARRON, SIMPSON, DANIEL, & DELGAMO. And so the chase goes on....... Mary On 18 Nov 2009, at 08:01, aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Auchnaven - Auchnavaird (Ron and Laura Bozzay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:16:42 -0500 (EST) > From: Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Auchnaven - Auchnavaird > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <2780436.1258510602319.JavaMail.root@mswamui- > backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ray, great link! I found the family farm! It was quite fun! > Thanks for sharing it! > > Laura > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> >> Sent: Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Auchnaven - Auchnavaird >> >> Hi Mary >> >> A final fling on this topic: >> >> There are two photos of Auchnavaird farm and the approach to South >> Auchnavaird on the Geograph website which also has a map of the >> surroundings. >> See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9440 >> >> For completeness, I offer one apology from me and one for FreeCEN. >> Gavin has >> produced more detailed information. >> >> Firstly, I missed the Auchnavaird entries on my1881 CDs. There are >> five >> families named STOTT, OGSTON, STUART, THOM and WALKER. William STOTT >> is 57. >> >> Secondly FreeCEN seems to have missed the 6 families at Auchnavaird in >> 1851. These are named STOTT, ALLAN, CONNAN, McKAY, WHYTE and WATSON. >> William STOTT is 27 so almost certainly the same guy who was still >> there in >> 1881. >> >> I have had a look at Thomson's 1832 map. Auchnavaird is present but >> not >> named, south of Elrick and east of Burngrains. So unfortunately we >> can't see >> how it might have been spelled then. >> >> This is all probably irrelevant now as you have revised the >> interpretation >> of the 1790 OPR entry in line with Auchnavaird! >> >> -- >> Best wishes >> >> Ray >> >> ********************************************************** >>> From Ray Hennessy >> Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net >> Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net >> Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP >> ********************************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to > ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 499 > **************************************** >

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not laughing at anyone but myself......wouldn't you know it, when the film is gone I need more answers...I'd rather laugh than cry....so it goes. You folks are all such wonderful people, I wonder often, if it's just us genealogist's who are like that or could there be others? We all need a well deserved pat on the back...so give yourselves one!! If we could only teach the world how to become genealogists, maybe we'd even find some peace? Mind you, I'd still bicker with you whether or not Old John belonged to you or to me..because I found him first.....Thanks for the info below.... LOL :) Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie >I show a William MACKIE born before 1825 as a ship master. He is married > to Isabelle GRAY born before 1825. > She is the daughter of William GRAY and Christina SANGSTER. > > I show one son, William Gray MACKIE born 10 Sep 1841 Peterhead.death is > unclear.. I have notes that say: Resides at 9 Prince Street Death info > is > confusing to me. It says: + William Gray Mackie (b. Sept. 10, 1841, > Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, ship > carpenter, 9 Prince > Street, Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, son of William > Mackie, ship master > and Isabella Gray, d. June 1868, > Bromley, Poplar, London, MDX) on Oct. 22, 1868, at > Auchtydore. In 1881, (FHL Film > 1341114, PRO Ref. RG11, Piece 0509, Folio 17, Page 27), > Dwelling 43 Bow Lane, Poplar, > London, Middlesex, England, Jane (?) Mackie, married, > 32, b. Aberdeen, Scotland, Sct., wife (head), > ship carpenter wife > > Someone can't die twice in two different places so either a line is > missing > or this is confused. It is possible that the William who died in 1868 was > the father married to Isabelle Gray. That would make more sense. > > The son William Gray MACKIE is a ship carpenter and married to Mary Ann > PENNY daughter of John Penny and Mary TRAIL. She was born 16 Nov 1848 > Auchtydore, Longside and died after 1901 Bronleyu, Poplar, London, > Middlesex, England. Marriage was 22 Oct 1868 Longside. They had 2 > children > I know about. > > William Gray MACKIE was also married to Jane LAURANCE BORN 1849 (there are > several with the name and it gets confusing)... they were married before > 1871 4 children > > Back to Gray... > Willaim Gray and Christina Sangster had 10 children. we coverd Isabelle > above, the other 9 are: > William 1811 - 1859 Married May McKenzie and they had 3 children May, > Jemina, William > Janet late 1700s to early 1800s > Margaret late 1700s to early 1800s > Agnes late 1700s to early 1800s > Christian late 1700s to early 1800s > Mary 1811 > Jean late 1700s to early 1800s > James late 1700s to early 1800s > Thomas late 1700s to early 1800s > > I have multiple sources for the above info. Keep laughing Goldie, I hear > it healthy for you! > > Laura > >> [Original Message] >> From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 11/18/2009 4:39:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie >> >> So after I read this, I can't add a thing now.........I'm laughing here. > I >> had two Peterhead films #0993353 and #0993354, but sent both back > yesterday. >> So I can't add a thing to this. There was a site that I could google >> Peterhead Genealogy and it was a good one!! Anything I got off that site > I >> could prove on the films. I need a new computer this one is slow, so I >> don't know if that's why I can no longer get it, or if it's been yanked > off >> the net. I wish someone would tell me!! When doing my Peterhead > research >> on a Walker family, and reading several books, I do know there was a very >> prominent GRAY family in Peterhead who were whalers. Part of one story I >> recall reading had to do with a ship that got left in the ice and in the >> spring, Capt. Grays son went and brought it back.... >> If you tie into the whaling family I can tell you one thing for certain, >> fasten your seat belt because this is fascinating research. I got so far >> off the track reading that I thought I was cold and that was last August >> when it was +35C out. I jest you not!! Walkers married into the Mackie >> family so I may have something connected there. I'll have a >> boo...........no promises though. Try surfing Gray and see if you hit on > a >> web site to do with the Whaling Gray family, you may discover a list of >> children. I'm trying to put the Walker family to bed and now this!! > LOL, >> :) good luck. Goldie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie >> >> >> Hi Leonie >> >> I have some informatin but someone else also has some information on >> Aberdeen site also. >> >> I have Isobel Gray who is William sister. >> Isobel Gray married WIlliam Mackie and they had a son by the name of > William >> Gray Mackie b. 10 Sep 1841 who married Mary Ann Penny. Mary Ann Penny >> parents are John Penny and Mary Trail. >> >> You will be getting info after they read this!!!!! >> >> Vicki >> >> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >> >> From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:50 PM >> >> >> Would you like me to dig out these Baptistms for you off film #0993353, >> Peterhead? Goldie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leonie Harding" <leonieharding@yahoo.com.au> >> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:35 PM >> Subject: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY >> >> >> > My paternal great great grandfather William GRAY was born 1811 in >> > Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland, son of Christina SANGSTER and William > GRAY. >> > He was one of 10 children. His siblings were Janet, Margaret, Isobel, >> > Agnes, Christian, Mary (his twin), Jean, James, Thomas. >> > He married May McKENZIE 1843 in Peterhead. They had 3 children - May, >> > Jemima, William. >> > William left his family in Scotland and came to Australia to try his > luck >> > on the goldfields where he died in 1859. >> > >> > If anyone is familiar with William or his family please contact me. >> > >> > Leonie Harding >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ >> > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. >> > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

NOW ~~~~~~ HOW good is this information..........I just had a hunch.........and from the films I saw yesterday again, just looking for Davidson, I think I figured out there were at least 4 brothers involved in Buchanhaven. I have also aside from my Walkers, a ANDERSON famly there.....in the 60's.......James Anderson (his mother was a Walker) m Barbara COW (OPR'S says), but I suspect COWE......and then another Buchanhaven family becomes involved, Buchan's. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall to see the interaction between all these families in such a tiny community. What a hoot that would have been.....Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobel Davidson" <Isobel.Davidson@tesco.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > > > Alexander Davidson married Jane Baird > > Regards > > Isobel Davidson > > > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > Goldie said > >> Here is the information on George DAVIDSON, vintor. It comes of two >> films >> of OPR's. #0993353 and #0993354 Peterhead. >> Then I found this...DEATHS: >> Nov 2 1844 Still child of George Davidson, Buchanhaven >> (could this why the '51 census info goes from John age 16 to Amelia age >> 8?) >> AND THEN THIS~~DEATH >> Nov 22 1848, George DAVISON, Buchanhaven, 51. >> This would mean he was born 1797> . > > Thanks Goldie, I had the information on the family from the 1841 census > but > what I couldn't find was anything about the death of George Davidson; his > wife Margaret being shown as a widow in the 1851 census. As you say, he > would have been born c1797 which ties in with him being 40 in the 1841 > census which rounded adult ages down to the nearest multiple of 5, but > slightly earlier than I was assuming. It appears my original assumption > based on occupations was wrong!! > >> Bairds seem to be residents of Buchanhaven as well, and there are quite a >> few brothers there. I wonder what the connection between the Bairds and >> the >> Davidson's are? > > The Baird family members appear on the 1841 FreeCEN census data as > residents > > of Buchanhaven. They are first on the list at that address, two households > prior to the Davidson family. Three of the Davidson family were given the > middle name Baird, including my gg grandfather William Baird Davidson. > Quite > > a compliment for next door neighbours but one or maybe they were also good > customers! > Thanks again, > Brian Davidson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The BAIRDS may have been good friends, but again I wouldn't rule out a connection.....mothers were cousins or what? I am sure the death I found is your George. You notice he is gone on the 1851 census and his wife is given as "W"......but he still had young children, if you do the math it therefore has to be before 1851 but after the last Jane born about 1849........and don't discount the fact that Mgrt could have been 'carrying' when he died. Good luck with this; if you need more help I can try my hand. And you are welcome Brian............Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "bj.davidson" <bj.davidson@talktalk.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Davidson-vintner-Peterhead > Goldie said > >> Here is the information on George DAVIDSON, vintor. It comes of two >> films >> of OPR's. #0993353 and #0993354 Peterhead. >> Then I found this...DEATHS: >> Nov 2 1844 Still child of George Davidson, Buchanhaven >> (could this why the '51 census info goes from John age 16 to Amelia age >> 8?) >> AND THEN THIS~~DEATH >> Nov 22 1848, George DAVISON, Buchanhaven, 51. >> This would mean he was born 1797> . > > Thanks Goldie, I had the information on the family from the 1841 census > but > what I couldn't find was anything about the death of George Davidson; his > wife Margaret being shown as a widow in the 1851 census. As you say, he > would have been born c1797 which ties in with him being 40 in the 1841 > census which rounded adult ages down to the nearest multiple of 5, but > slightly earlier than I was assuming. It appears my original assumption > based on occupations was wrong!! > >> Bairds seem to be residents of Buchanhaven as well, and there are quite a >> few brothers there. I wonder what the connection between the Bairds and >> the >> Davidson's are? > > The Baird family members appear on the 1841 FreeCEN census data as > residents > of Buchanhaven. They are first on the list at that address, two households > prior to the Davidson family. Three of the Davidson family were given the > middle name Baird, including my gg grandfather William Baird Davidson. > Quite > a compliment for next door neighbours but one or maybe they were also good > customers! > Thanks again, > Brian Davidson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So after I read this, I can't add a thing now.........I'm laughing here. I had two Peterhead films #0993353 and #0993354, but sent both back yesterday. So I can't add a thing to this. There was a site that I could google Peterhead Genealogy and it was a good one!! Anything I got off that site I could prove on the films. I need a new computer this one is slow, so I don't know if that's why I can no longer get it, or if it's been yanked off the net. I wish someone would tell me!! When doing my Peterhead research on a Walker family, and reading several books, I do know there was a very prominent GRAY family in Peterhead who were whalers. Part of one story I recall reading had to do with a ship that got left in the ice and in the spring, Capt. Grays son went and brought it back.... If you tie into the whaling family I can tell you one thing for certain, fasten your seat belt because this is fascinating research. I got so far off the track reading that I thought I was cold and that was last August when it was +35C out. I jest you not!! Walkers married into the Mackie family so I may have something connected there. I'll have a boo...........no promises though. Try surfing Gray and see if you hit on a web site to do with the Whaling Gray family, you may discover a list of children. I'm trying to put the Walker family to bed and now this!! LOL, :) good luck. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY attn:Leonie Hi Leonie I have some informatin but someone else also has some information on Aberdeen site also. I have Isobel Gray who is William sister. Isobel Gray married WIlliam Mackie and they had a son by the name of William Gray Mackie b. 10 Sep 1841 who married Mary Ann Penny. Mary Ann Penny parents are John Penny and Mary Trail. You will be getting info after they read this!!!!! Vicki --- On Wed, 10/28/09, goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:50 PM Would you like me to dig out these Baptistms for you off film #0993353, Peterhead? Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonie Harding" <leonieharding@yahoo.com.au> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William GRAY > My paternal great great grandfather William GRAY was born 1811 in > Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland, son of Christina SANGSTER and William GRAY. > He was one of 10 children. His siblings were Janet, Margaret, Isobel, > Agnes, Christian, Mary (his twin), Jean, James, Thomas. > He married May McKENZIE 1843 in Peterhead. They had 3 children - May, > Jemima, William. > William left his family in Scotland and came to Australia to try his luck > on the goldfields where he died in 1859. > > If anyone is familiar with William or his family please contact me. > > Leonie Harding > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message