I am trying to contact Barbara Sleeper. Barbara, I have just re-read one of your old e-mails in regards to our connection ,John Mellis b.13/2/1874, -m- Jane Currie b. 15/8/1878, -m- at Inverurie 7/1/1899, children were Jessie Ann Mellis b.1899 and Margaret Neish Mellis b.1901. You indicate that this family migrated to Australia. Do you have any particulars in this regard? researching: Mellis, Duncan and Harper. Sandy Mellis N.S.W.

Laura's query prompts me to ask of descendants of his daughter Catherine who married Charles Trail Penny and with their children went to Ontario, Canada. There were eight kids and their dispersal in Canada sought.

The info I have from a pamphlet " Fraserburgh A short guide to the town " tells that Sir Alexander Fraser Lord Saltoun, 15th Laird of Philorth sold it to the Northern Lighthouse Board in 1786. The lighthouse was erected in 1787 by Thomas Smith. Your grandmother quite likely lived in the "castle" but it was probably as part of the lighthouse staff. You may be able to get some information if you email info@lighthousemuseum.org.uk. There is also a website www. lighthousemuseum.org.uk. This info is in a booklet "Aberdeen City and Shire Routes to your North East Roots." North East Scotland's Coastal Trail states Kinnaird Head lighthouse had an unusual birth , having been built on top of a castle. I have to believe what I read!!! Janet in NZ

Rodi, I descend from on of those children and do have info on most of them. I am on the laptop and don't have access to my genie files from it. When I get home I will look up which ones you are interested in. Any particular one? Two of the children were born in Lonmay before 1892. The rest in Canada. Charles Trail Penny and Catherine Kerr were my great grandparents. I live in the USA. Laura -----Original Message----- >From: Rodi Bain <rodi.bain@googlemail.com> >Sent: Nov 22, 2009 11:05 AM >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Charles Cordiner Kerr > >Laura's query prompts me to ask of descendants of his daughter Catherine who >married Charles Trail Penny and with their children went to Ontario, Canada. >There were eight kids and their dispersal in Canada sought. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

2009/11/22 RUTH DUNNE <abersyl@gmail.com> wrote: [slightly edited] > Has anyone any knowledge of a these place names in Aberdeenshire: North > ... Auchnie Bogs and / or Smarties Wells. This would be prior to 1855. I am > trying to find the locale in Aberdeenshire . This is from Family Lore which > is sometimes almost accurate >grin. I have tried unsuccessfully to find a > reference on Google / Genuki > _____________________________________________ Hi Ruth Do you have any further information such as the name [or something like it] of a parish? Do the family sources have ancestors born &/or married in Aberdeenshire who could be found on the OPRs. I used the GENUKI Gazetteer at http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/gaz, using the "word containing" feature for "bogs" and for "wells" in Aberdeenshire. There is a place called "North Arnie Bogs" [which is what I assumed your post meant] in Methlick parish. It is at NJ864397 [see http://bit.ly/NArnybogs, set the zoom control to level 4 (1:50,000)]. This is most probably the place your family source means. I couldn't find anything like "Smarties Wells" although ther are a couple of places a bit [not very] similar: "Stillswells" in New Deer [next-door parish to Methlick]; "Sundayswells" in Kincarding O'Neil [much further away]. The GENUKI Gazetteer for Aberdeenshire is based on a modern map analysed some while ago and is not exhaustive. However, I have a full list of place-names on the 1896 and 2002 maps for Methlick and there is nothing like it there - no "Wells" at all. As Gavin suggests, if you have any further information it might help us to help you! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

RUTH DUNNE wrote: > Helo List Members; > > Has anyone any knowledge of a these place names in Aberdeenshire North >> > Auchnie Bogs and / or Smarties Wells. This would be prior to 1855. I am > trying to find the locale in Aberdeenshire . This is from Family Lore which > is sometimes almost accurate >grin. I have tried unsuccesfully to find a > reference on Google / Genuki As ever, with placename enquiries (and indeed with just about any genealogical query) finding the answer would be a great deal easier if you told us more about the sources from which you got these names, in particular the parish or parishes where they occurred. I am afraid "Aberdeenshire North" is not a very helpful label. I could make a tentative identification of "Auchnie Bogs", but "Smarties Wells" does rather look like a misreading. If we could tie them down to a specific parish or parishes, it might be easier to identify them. Gavin Bell

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > What are we talking about here...Kinnairdy Castle or something else...... Something else. There is a Kinairdy Castle (generally spelled with just one "n") in the parish of Marnoch, Banffshire, and there are various "Kinnairds" elsewhere: there is an entire parish of that name in Perthshire, and elsewhere in Perthshire there are a "mansion" in the parish of Little Dunkeld and a "hamlet" in the parish of Moulin. There is also a "Kinnaird Castle" in Farnell parish, Forfarshire, and a "Kinnaird House" in the parish of Larbert, Stirlingshire. But as the original enquirer specified "Kinnaird Castle, Fraserburgh", it would be safe to assume that he meant none of the above, bat rather (as Ken has reported) what rather incongruously became the Kinnaird Head Lighthouse, now the Museum of Scottish lighthouses: http://www.lighthousemuseum.org.uk/ Incidentally, Kinairdy (Marnoch, Banffshire) is recorded in the "Ordnance Gazetteer of Scotland" as "An ancient castellated mansion ... belonging to the Crichtons of Frendraught, from whom it passed to the Earls of Fife" and not to the "Innes Clan" for whom you claim it. Gavin Bell

I have Charles Cordiner KERR in my line. I show he was born 25 July 1847 in Kininmonth, Lonmay, Aberdeenshire. He was listed as a farm servant in one of the OPR records. He is the son of William Kerr and Catherine MACKIE. He was married twice. First to Anne COPLAND 12 June 1869 Lonmay. (She was the daughter of John COPLAND and Elizabeth CHEYNE). They had 6 children. After Ann died in a bovine incident, he married Annie Minnie COOPER and they had two more children. The second marriage was 28 Jun 1879 Rathen. I am looking for more info on this Kerr family. How does Cordiner fit in as it is a middle name of Charles? Thanks! Laura

Helo List Members; Has anyone any knowledge of a these place names in Aberdeenshire North >> Auchnie Bogs and / or Smarties Wells. This would be prior to 1855. I am trying to find the locale in Aberdeenshire . This is from Family Lore which is sometimes almost accurate >grin. I have tried unsuccesfully to find a reference on Google / Genuki Thank You, Ruth in Canada.

What are we talking about here...Kinnairdy Castle or something else......it belonged to the Innes Clan.......for years. I know this fellow is looking into the 1900's.........but is it the same place? Help us out here... Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kenmalley4@aol.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Kinnaird Castle > Kinnaird Castle better known as Kinnaird Head Lighthouse which was one of > the first > lighthouses in Scotland, yes before being converted was indeed a castle, > the houses attached were where the keepers and family lived > regards Kenny > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kinnaird Castle better known as Kinnaird Head Lighthouse which was one of the first lighthouses in Scotland, yes before being converted was indeed a castle, the houses attached were where the keepers and family lived regards Kenny

I use geni.com to share with family and friends. The basic membership is free. You can enter in family tree information and attach pictures, etc. You can also set privacy levels, so that not just anyone can have access. It's a nice way to stay in touch with family and keep people interested in something I love, geneaolgy! Brenda in FL USA

My Grandmother Catherine Bain May (nee Cordiner) reputedly lived at Kinnaird Castle, Fraserburgh sometime between 1918 when her husband was killed in WW1, and 1928 when she immigrated to New Zealand.  She was a widow with 6 children. Does any Lister know of anyone I can contact to positively confirm/verify this claim.  I did try the Fraserburgh group a while ago but didn't receive any replies, and the Internet has very limited info...  I have also tried to email the Castle direct but have not had any luck there so far. What I am trying to establish is...  Would rooms at Kinnaird Castle have been available for rent during this era (1918 - 1928)?  Or, were there houses available for rent within the Castle grounds?  To me it would seem more likely that a person could rent a cottage within the grounds rather than rooms within the Castle itself. I live in New Zealand and would like to take this opportunity of expressing my appreciation for the very diverse nature of information that is constantly being exchanged between Listers.  I find the Aberdeen Group to be a very knowledgeable about all things Scottish, and more importantly, they are so very willing to share information.  Long may this continue because it certainly adds to the knowledge base of those of us who live so far away. Thank you Ken NZ

Hello Wayne thank you for the very interesting information on your Barrons. The trouble is, I have no more data on our Barrons apart from the fact that John married Margaret Youngson in 1810 in Old Deer - this was Margaret's parish - and he next appears farming in Brucehill, New Deer, in the 1841 census, aged 55 so birth year 1786 unless the enumerator rounded down his age to 55 and shaved a few years off. The marriage entry does not give father's names and I have been unable to find John's parents or birthplace. There are a few possibilities but I haven't been able to nail one down positively. John Barron and Margaret Youngson's eldest children were: Margaret 1811, Jean 1813, John 1814, so presumably his father's name was also John. The next eldest son's name was William, born 1816. Of course, some children may have died although there are very few gaps in the childrens' births so I am not sure. If John Barron were Jean Barron's elder brother that would mean he was from Tullynessie, a fair distance south of Old Deer - but not impossible, I suppose. I have found in Scotlands' People John Barron born to: William Barron 25.12.1782 in Kinnethmont - just to the north of Tullynessie John Barron & Elspet Paul 11.07.1783 in Rayne - again north of Tullynessie otherwise James Barron & Margaret Imray 24.06.1783 in Midmar to the south and west of the City of Aberdeen. John Barron & Katharine Marr 6.1.1780 in the city of Aberdeen. So it may well be that John's father was either the William or ( first ) John above - or he might have not been in the registers at all...... Mary

> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools > > Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online > collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any > recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront for me > recently as another family member has become quite interested in genealogy. > It would be great to be able to work off of one central file, rather than > create redundant data. > > In my ideal world: > -- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with different > levels of permissions for different viewers? > -- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be > excellent > -- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material > -- it is possible to generate reports > -- it can handle thousands of entries > -- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML export > from paf/ged/etc. > -- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. > -- Free is always nice, but not mandatory > -- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. > > Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to > narrow in on some best practices for this. Hi Suzanne, This is a most interesting topic. I recently received an email from Google introducing a new service/program called Google Wave. It's still in the development stages but it promises to allow what you would like in your perfect world. It needs genealogists who are proficient at writing code to develop the extensions that would be specific to family history research. I was quite excited by the possibilities for us in our avocation. To find out more follow this link. http://wave.google.com/help/wave/about.html Cheers, David Smith

Alternatively Tribal Pages which I believe has levels of privacy and sharing. Haven't tried it myself. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cowie" <davidkcowie@ntlworld.com> > You might want to look at The Next Generation (TNG) software. > > This requires some computer knowledge in that you require a hosting site and > need to install the software. > Once done and your domain can be purchase you have the ultimate in online > collaboration. > I have been using this for some years myself at > http://www.cowie-rohland.net/ > It's password protected for family members only but it can be made open to > the wider world too. > > See the TNG site below for screen examples and more about it > http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php > > regards > David >

You have reminded me that I have not shared with you that I have found my SIMPSON 4th Gt Grandfather. John SIMPSON b abt 1786 became a Captain in the Inverness-shire Militia. He apparently married Maria STANLY or STANLEY date unknown. I have mentioned it elsewhere to one or two subscribed here. The children of the marriage, Martha b 1803, Maria b 1805 Jane b 1806 and Jamima b 1808 shared the middle names of "MANNERS" and "GRANT". I've not made much progress in tracing the STANLY family but I understand Herbert Asquith married one Venetia STANLEY whose lineage might be interesting. I do understand that there is a Scottish family of the same name but I really haven't looked into that possibility either Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Simpson" <jasimpson123@yahoo.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools Hi Suzanne You might want to have a look at Tribal Pages on www.tribalpages.com, which I use for my own family tree. You can see mine on www.johnsimpson.tribalpages.com Although I have retained the "editing" role to myself, it is possible for you to also allocate an editing role to other members of your family/group, with (I think) varying levels of authority. You can have the site as a completely closed user group, or you can open it to varying degrees (eg to family members only or by invitation and/or to exclude living people etc). You can have a number of quite separate trees on your one account, which can either be free or paid-for (with different capacity levels) The report generating system is quite good and you can import/export gedcoms. Attaching photos is easy, and some people have customised their site to add music, videos etc. You can cite sources etc and link to them, but I'm not sure about actually attaching them - other than as photos. Worth considering, anyway. Good luck. John From: "Suzanne Walker" <swalker7736@yahoo.com> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront for me recently as another family member has become quite interested in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one central file, rather than create redundant data. In my ideal world: -- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with different levels of permissions for different viewers? -- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be excellent -- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material -- it is possible to generate reports -- it can handle thousands of entries -- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML export from paf/ged/etc. -- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. -- Free is always nice, but not mandatory -- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to narrow in on some best practices for this. Best, Suzanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yours maybe the tree I have seen online. I personally feel if it goes online it may as well be shared with anyone you might be introduced to. I would much rather know where my ancestral tree is going because it seems to me to be quite mad tracing family and finding someone who turns out to be a blood relative not to know anything more about them and not to keep in touch with the living. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bissett" <jbissett@hot-peppers.com> > Hi Suzanne, > > At 08:16 PM 11/18/2009, you wrote: >>I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online >>collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any >>recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront >>for me recently as another family member has become quite interested >>in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one >>central file, rather than create redundant data. > > You might want to check out One Great Family. I have my BISSET tree > there. What I like is that I have control over merging information > that is not exactly the same. I can collaborate with others who have > posted information that seems to match mine. If we agree on the > changes necessary to make it match, we can merge it. If we disagree, > the data remains as two separate items. > > Many more features, but rather than try to list them, I suggest the > information on the site will be much more informative for you. > > Regards, Joe

Hi Suzanne Not online as such but you might consider using Legacy Family Tree www.LegacyFamilyTree.com ? There is a free version, which is still fantastic. The deluxe version has even more powerful and useful features. One of the features is the ability to share your data with other researchers and allowing them to make additions/corrections for you to review and accept or reject as you feel best. I think it will meet most of the specs you listed. The website has some tutorials which may explain this better. I haven't played with this feature yet but everything else that Legacy has promised has delivered fantastic results! John Rosser Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia At 08:16 PM 11/18/2009, you wrote: >From: "Suzanne Walker" <swalker7736@yahoo.com> >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools > >Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with >online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any >recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront for >me recently as another family member has become quite interested in >genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one central >file, rather than create redundant data. > >In my ideal world: >-- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with >different levels of permissions for different viewers? >-- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be >excellent >-- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material >-- it is possible to generate reports >-- it can handle thousands of entries >-- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML >export from paf/ged/etc. >-- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. >-- Free is always nice, but not mandatory >-- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. > >Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to >narrow in on some best practices for this. > >Best, >Suzanne

You might want to look at The Next Generation (TNG) software. This requires some computer knowledge in that you require a hosting site and need to install the software. Once done and your domain can be purchase you have the ultimate in online collaboration. I have been using this for some years myself at http://www.cowie-rohland.net/ It's password protected for family members only but it can be made open to the wider world too. See the TNG site below for screen examples and more about it http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php regards David -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Walker Sent: 19 November 2009 02:16 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Online collaborative family tree tools Hello, all. I'm wondering if any of you have been experimenting with online collaboration on your family trees, and if so if you have any recommendations either pro or con. This has come to the forefront for me recently as another family member has become quite interested in genealogy. It would be great to be able to work off of one central file, rather than create redundant data. In my ideal world: -- the data is viewable/editable by invitation only. Perhaps with different levels of permissions for different viewers? -- some sort of version control/list of most recent changes would be excellent -- there is a robust system for attaching sources to material -- it is possible to generate reports -- it can handle thousands of entries -- it is an actual active working space, as opposed to a static HTML export from paf/ged/etc. -- one can import/export gedcoms, etc. -- Free is always nice, but not mandatory -- other considerations? I don't have this fully fleshed out in my mind yet. Thanks! I appreciate any perspective you can bring to this as I try to narrow in on some best practices for this. Best, Suzanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message