Hi Laura, I agree totally; we recently had a similar discussion on the South African site. This resulted from the publication by the S.A. authorities of the 1984 voters roll on line. I was in South Africa at the time and voted in that election, and many of us felt that we did not want our details, including our identity numbers, published for all to access. After much discussion about the accessibility of public records, one lister emailed me privately with a lot of private information relating to me which he had been able to access from the public records on line, just to show me how easy it was. This included the fact that I had an antenuptial contract registered in 1981, my husband's name and date of birth, by date of birth and my maiden name. I think as family historians we should be content with accessing the records of people who are deceased, and rely on our own family knowledge for anything on living persons. We should also not publish online anything relating to living persons, as a mark of respect for their privacy. Cheers, Carol 2009/12/1 Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the > information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as > controlling about what can be published as some other countries. I guess > it depends on how litigious the folks in that country are. > > In the US census records are published every 72 to 75 years. Some states > are pushing to do what is being done in Europe which is the 100 year rule > because so many folks are living into their 90s and 100s now. > > I think you open yourself up for all kinds of issues with living people who > did not want their data listed on a web site that anyone can view. One of > my aunts had her identity stolen and my family is ultra sensitive to > publishing data on living people. (It was stolen from a govt agency of all > places!) > > I make it a rule to try to eliminate any one born after 1910 from my gedcom > at this time. I maintain two gedcoms. One that stays on my computer and > does not get uploaded anywhere. One that can be uploaded. > The one that can be uploaded has the missing people listed as male or > female child living. If I get a death date, then I go ahead and fill in > the details. I try once a year to update data for anyone born in the next > year. So in 2011 I will go up to 1911 and so forth. > > I know that there are many genie folks who will disagree with this > conservative approach, but I would rather not have the headaches of angry > emails or worse yet a legal issue arising out of privacy laws. I have > people in my gedcom from countries that strictly enforce the 100 year > rules. I heard from one of my genie friends, who is writing a book, that he > was told to remove anyone born prior to 1910 if the book will published > during 2010. > My understanding is that he was told this by his publisher, the LDS, and > his lawyer. We had a similar discussion on another list about this and > there is a lot of different opinions out there concerning it. I just > decided to take a conservative approach and then I figure I am covered. In > my experience, lawyers don't seem to agree on this topic within the same > country let alone trying to make sense of it in an international forum. > > Laura > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a John Milne Jamieson but have never determined where the Milne name came from or whom he was related to. Do you have any Jamieson's? JR Jamieson jr@jjamieson.com 412 343 9264 Home of the Steeler Nation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kath Petrie" <kath.petrie@tiscali.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > In 1881 Alexander Milne and wife Isabella C. are at the Manse of Tyrie. He > is the 54 yr-old minister of the parish, Isabella Patton was 56 and born > in > Ireland. With them are daughters Caroline J. age 19 and Mary Louisa 13, > both > born Tyrie. > > This is the entry for Alexander Milne in the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae: > 1856 ALEXANDER MILNE, born Mortlach, 1825, son of Alexander M. and Ann > Taylor; educated at King's College, Aberdeen; M.A. (March 1846); became > parochial schoolmaster at Drainie; ord. 26th March 1856; D.D. (St Andrews > 1899); res. 17th May 1901; died 29th Oct. 1905. He marr. 28th April 1859, > Isabella Caroline (died 6th June 1899), daugh. of Captain William Patton > of > Devonview, Perthshire, and 12th Lancers, and had issue Alexina Anne, born > 26th Feb. 1860; Caroline Isabella, lady superintendent of Presbyterian > Hospital, Philadelphia, U.S.A., born 14th Sept. 1861; Margaret Anne, born > 26th April, and died 3rd July 1863; Thomas Patton, M.A., born 16th Aug. > 1864, elected to Second Charge, Kilmarnock, but died before ordination > 10th > March 1894; Mary Louisa, head of French department of High School, > Kirkcaldy, born 27th May 1867. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:46 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > > >> Hello from NZ >> >> I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about >> Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, >> Aberdeenshire. >> >> The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. >> The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. >> The birth of any children. >> >> Thank you >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good job!!! horray, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kath Petrie" <kath.petrie@tiscali.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > In 1881 Alexander Milne and wife Isabella C. are at the Manse of Tyrie. He > is the 54 yr-old minister of the parish, Isabella Patton was 56 and born > in > Ireland. With them are daughters Caroline J. age 19 and Mary Louisa 13, > both > born Tyrie. > > This is the entry for Alexander Milne in the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae: > 1856 ALEXANDER MILNE, born Mortlach, 1825, son of Alexander M. and Ann > Taylor; educated at King's College, Aberdeen; M.A. (March 1846); became > parochial schoolmaster at Drainie; ord. 26th March 1856; D.D. (St Andrews > 1899); res. 17th May 1901; died 29th Oct. 1905. He marr. 28th April 1859, > Isabella Caroline (died 6th June 1899), daugh. of Captain William Patton > of > Devonview, Perthshire, and 12th Lancers, and had issue Alexina Anne, born > 26th Feb. 1860; Caroline Isabella, lady superintendent of Presbyterian > Hospital, Philadelphia, U.S.A., born 14th Sept. 1861; Margaret Anne, born > 26th April, and died 3rd July 1863; Thomas Patton, M.A., born 16th Aug. > 1864, elected to Second Charge, Kilmarnock, but died before ordination > 10th > March 1894; Mary Louisa, head of French department of High School, > Kirkcaldy, born 27th May 1867. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:46 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > > >> Hello from NZ >> >> I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about >> Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, >> Aberdeenshire. >> >> The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. >> The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. >> The birth of any children. >> >> Thank you >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Looking for descendants of John Stephen & Helen Stephen (nee Tait). They lived in the village of Cairnbulg, and their parish was Rathen. John Stephen 1846 - 1919 & Helen Stephen 1852 - 1928 (nee Tait) John's parent's John & Mary (nee Duthie) 1820 - 1889 Helen's Parents James & Helen Tait (nee Buchan) 1824 - 1856 They married on 19 Feb 1880 Inverallochy Their Children Mary abt 1880 James abt 1882 John abt 1884 Helen abt 1888 Robert Duthie 1890 - 1942 Alexander Buchan 1893 - 1933 Any assistant would be much appreciated. Thank you. Julie Symons (nee Stephen) NZ

Hi Additional Info: John Stephen 1846 - 1919 & Helen Stephen 1852 - 1928 (nee Tait) John's parent's John & Mary (nee Duthie) Helen's Parents James & Helen Tait (nee Buchan) They married on 19 Feb 1880 Inverallochy Children Mary abt 1880 James abt 1882 John abt 1884 Helen abt 1888 Robert Duthie 1890 - 1942 Alexander Buchan 1893 - 1933 Regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "goldie and Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Stephen Family > YEARS would be great, dates even better!! Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie & Neil Symons" <jnsymons@xtra.co.nz> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Stephen Family > > >> Hi >> >> Looking for descendants of John Stephen & Helen Stephen (nee Tait). >> Their >> children were Mary, James, John, Helen, Robert Duthie & Alexander Buchan. >> They lived in the village of Cairnbulg, and their parish was Rathen. >> >> Any assistant would be much appreciated. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Julie Symons >> NZ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Looking for descendants of John Stephen & Helen Stephen (nee Tait). Their children were Mary, James, John, Helen, Robert Duthie & Alexander Buchan. They lived in the village of Cairnbulg, and their parish was Rathen. Any assistant would be much appreciated. Thank you. Julie Symons NZ

2009/12/1 Kathleen Ogg-Moss <koggmoss@gmail.com> wrote: England does not have the 100 year rule either. > _______________________________________________ Well, it does, actually, or at least it is supposed to. This is what the Department of National Statistics website says, quoting from the relevant Act: "Personal census information is held securely for 100 years before being made available to the public." The release of the 1911 data 2 years early was a one-off breaking of the rule and required, I imagine, a special decision by Parliament. There is a lot of debate behind the scenes about future release dates. With the population expecting to include thousands of centenarians soon, it is quite likely that the 100-year embargo will be reinstated. Especially necessary as the data collected by Census is becoming more and more detailed [and intrusive, in my view]. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Hi All, Re:  Publishing Family Info.- Don't Compromise Privacy and Security Although there is  information available in the public > domaine of less than 100 years, there are issues of privacy > and security at stake.  > > Security for banks and other institutions  often > includes information about parent's names and birth > dates.  Should you publish information that might > compromise the security of others? > > Also, regarding privacy - until recently people made every > effort to cover up "secrets" such as divorce, love children > etc. Just because we can find that information does not mean > that we should publish it on the net. It could be very > hurtful to those involved. > > I feel there is a moral obligation not to publish > information less than a 100 years without written permission > from all family members.  Remember  once > information is published on the internet it will continue to > exist somewhere on the web. Regards, Liz > __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

Can you be a bit more explicit? When did they marry, what was her maiden name.......more clues would be good. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > Hello from NZ > > I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about > Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, > Aberdeenshire. > > The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. > The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. > The birth of any children. > > Thank you > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

2009/11/30 Gramps <w.innes@videotron.ca> wrote: Subject: Achlichny Farm This is a present day working farm in Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland. > How do I go about finding who the people are that are running this farm > today. > > William Innes in Montreal > ___________________________ Hi William Why not just write to them? If you give them some information on why you are interested, e.g. who your ancestors they were there, I expect they will respond. Of course they may be comparatively recent arrivals and may know nothing about the history of the farm. But if you are VERY lucky they may actually be descendants!! In case you don't have it, you can see it's location NJ151232 on the OS map at http://bit.ly/Achlichnie We went to a farm near Achlichnie in Kirkmichael where Sheena's gggg-gf lived and chatted to the farmer. He pointed out that the building was only put up about 1810 which was about 20 years after S's rellies were there; they had moved up the valley by 1800. So staring agog at the building was a waste of emotion! But the photos are good to have. As an aside, this was in mid-September and the farmer had been up on the hills just above Achlichnie tending his reindeer [!] and knee-deep in snow [!!]. It can be very bleak at that end of Banffshire. Be lucky Ray

2009/12/1 Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> wrote: There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the > information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as controlling > about what can be published as some other countries. I guess it depends on > how litigious the folks in that country are. > ___________________________________________________ Hi Laura, I was only referring to Statutory Registration. The rules for the Census are different because there is much more personal [i.e. private] data on Census returns. The Statutory Registers have been open for scrutiny - by visiting any number of official offices - since they were first recorded [1837 for England & Wales, 1855 for Scotland] but it is only since the advent of the Internet that access has become so easy. But no-one has updated the 19th century laws for these registers [nor should they in my view]. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

I was waiting to hear what other Listers thought......I would write as well. Wm, you should be able to get the postal code for the farm in Kirkmichael off the net, then I would write: Occupants, Achlichnie Farm, Kirkmichael, Banffshire, Scotland. Last time I was in Scotland I was looking for Aultmore, near Keith and got off the right track, so I stopped at a croft and then asked an elderly gent who had been mucking out the barn, about my Innes and McGregors, and told him my story. He suggested I back track; take a left and stop at a croft (he gave me the name) and ask to speak to Kenny........he was the GGGGrandson of the Paterson who took over Aultmore. Kenny was about to start milking his large herd of cows, but wouldn't hear of anything less that us going into the house and he wanted to make us tea. Well, Hubby was raised on a dairy farm and I know the work it entails, so I thanked him, picked his brains (he offered to take me there the next day) and went on my way. (I did find it, before I continue.) My point here is that most of us hesitate to 'put folks out' and interrupt their lives. But most folks are more than happy to spend the time and give you the knowledge they have. Folks in Scotland are a rare breed, let me tell you........they will help without reservation if they can. And remember even if the new folks on the croft can't help you, you are giving them a lesson in the past.........and most would be thankful for that. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray7033@googlemail.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Achlichny Farm > 2009/11/30 Gramps <w.innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > Subject: > Achlichny Farm > > http://bit.ly/Achlichnie ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with this, You should not put living people on the web site, Genes reunited is other one. karen

Hi Listers, I want to send hearty thanks to Joyce, Alison and Pauline. What amazing folks you are! You provided just what I needed, and I've made notes of your suggestions for the future. Sincerely, Jan

Hi all, I made the decision some back to never ever mention the names or any personal details of anyone living on the genealogy lists. I have probably slipped up once or twice in the past, but am very cautious now. Regards, Carol 2009/12/1 Cameron MCBAIN <clmcbain@rogers.com> > in the case of sensitive info - I have discovered someone in my line who > committed suicide less than 100 years ago - I'll leave it to someone else to > release - I just put the date of death and left it alone. May be a still > living son/daughter or grandaughter or grandson... > > Cam > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janet <wightway@clara.co.uk> > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 3:47:12 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > > Whilst I have to agree with what you have said about images being capable > of being > purchased, I think putting up names to a genealogy list for the purposes of > contacting > living family ought to be done with caution. Louise has mentioned those > still living and > because of the uncertainty of the outcome I think if the purpose is only > for finding > living members full names and dates should not be given to all members or > subscribers to > List. The unknown quantity in information causing someone distress and > anguish as well > as the possibility of releasing information that people didn't want known > should not be > given out to the whole world. We just dont know what might be uncovered > and people have > rights to privacy. > > I fully expect there will be some who disagree with me but I've seen both > sides of this. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> > > > > > > > Hi Ruth > > > > Scotland's People make full images of Statutory death certificates > available > > to anyone up to 1958 so you can certainly put all those details on the > > List. They also index deaths registered up to 2006 so there seems to be > no > > reason to bar names and dates for deaths in that period. > > > > In fact all these details - probably more or less up to date - are > available > > to the public at the appropriate Registry offices so I would guess that > > "revealing" such details is perfectly permissible. > > > > -- > > Best wishes > > > > Ray > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

England does not have the 100 year rule either. The 100 year rule applies in Canada but there were many petitions a couple of years back to have the 1911 census opened earlier and it was. This was an exception. Kathleen On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net>wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. Laws are so different from place to place. > It is hard to keep up with them all! So I just try to do the 100 year rule > and figure that way I am more covered internationally than not. > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray Hennessy > To: rbozzay@earthlink.net;aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: 12/1/2009 4:46:49 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > > > 2009/12/1 Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the > information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as controlling > about what can be published as some other countries. I guess it depends on > how litigious the folks in that country are. > > ___________________________________________________ > > Hi Laura, > > I was only referring to Statutory Registration. The rules for the Census > are different because there is much more personal [i.e. private] data on > Census returns. > > The Statutory Registers have been open for scrutiny - by visiting any > number of official offices - since they were first recorded [1837 for > England & Wales, 1855 for Scotland] but it is only since the advent of the > Internet that access has become so easy. But no-one has updated the 19th > century laws for these registers [nor should they in my view]. > > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** > >From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Laura, (I haven't seen you at the Hazelwood FHC lately.) In the USA, it is common practice to publish BMD information in the newspaper. When that is done the information is in public domain and may not be protected. However, it is common courtesy to not show living people. Since the 1930 US census is publicly available (available after 72 years in 2002), I consider 1930 a good cutoff date. When the 1940 census comes available in 2012, I will change to 1940. At 02:00 AM 12/1/2009, you wrote: >From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > >There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the >information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as >controlling about what can be published as some other countries. I guess >it depends on how litigious the folks in that country are. > >In the US census records are published every 72 to 75 years. Some states >are pushing to do what is being done in Europe which is the 100 year rule >because so many folks are living into their 90s and 100s now. > >I think you open yourself up for all kinds of issues with living people who >did not want their data listed on a web site that anyone can view. One of >my aunts had her identity stolen and my family is ultra sensitive to >publishing data on living people. (It was stolen from a govt agency of all >places!) > >I make it a rule to try to eliminate any one born after 1910 from my gedcom >at this time. I maintain two gedcoms. One that stays on my computer and >does not get uploaded anywhere. One that can be uploaded. >The one that can be uploaded has the missing people listed as male or >female child living. If I get a death date, then I go ahead and fill in >the details. I try once a year to update data for anyone born in the next >year. So in 2011 I will go up to 1911 and so forth. > >I know that there are many genie folks who will disagree with this >conservative approach, but I would rather not have the headaches of angry >emails or worse yet a legal issue arising out of privacy laws. I have >people in my gedcom from countries that strictly enforce the 100 year >rules. I heard from one of my genie friends, who is writing a book, that he >was told to remove anyone born prior to 1910 if the book will published >during 2010. >My understanding is that he was told this by his publisher, the LDS, and >his lawyer. We had a similar discussion on another list about this and >there is a lot of different opinions out there concerning it. I just >decided to take a conservative approach and then I figure I am covered. In >my experience, lawyers don't seem to agree on this topic within the same >country let alone trying to make sense of it in an international forum. > >Laura ____________________________________________________________ Become a Paralegal Start your paralegal career with an online degree. Free info packs! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=EBhnnnUUfiIyPv0nQXNw8QAAJ1HRPJtV0UPWIFV2n9W87NGdAAQAAAAFAAAAAD9ZHz4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVlMAAAAAA=

Thanks for the clarification. Laws are so different from place to place. It is hard to keep up with them all! So I just try to do the 100 year rule and figure that way I am more covered internationally than not. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Hennessy To: rbozzay@earthlink.net;aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: 12/1/2009 4:46:49 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? 2009/12/1 Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> wrote: There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as controlling about what can be published as some other countries. I guess it depends on how litigious the folks in that country are. ___________________________________________________ Hi Laura, I was only referring to Statutory Registration. The rules for the Census are different because there is much more personal [i.e. private] data on Census returns. The Statutory Registers have been open for scrutiny - by visiting any number of official offices - since they were first recorded [1837 for England & Wales, 1855 for Scotland] but it is only since the advent of the Internet that access has become so easy. But no-one has updated the 19th century laws for these registers [nor should they in my view]. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

There are some laws that protect privacy in various countries. From the information Ray posted earlier it sounds like Scotland is not as controlling about what can be published as some other countries. I guess it depends on how litigious the folks in that country are. In the US census records are published every 72 to 75 years. Some states are pushing to do what is being done in Europe which is the 100 year rule because so many folks are living into their 90s and 100s now. I think you open yourself up for all kinds of issues with living people who did not want their data listed on a web site that anyone can view. One of my aunts had her identity stolen and my family is ultra sensitive to publishing data on living people. (It was stolen from a govt agency of all places!) I make it a rule to try to eliminate any one born after 1910 from my gedcom at this time. I maintain two gedcoms. One that stays on my computer and does not get uploaded anywhere. One that can be uploaded. The one that can be uploaded has the missing people listed as male or female child living. If I get a death date, then I go ahead and fill in the details. I try once a year to update data for anyone born in the next year. So in 2011 I will go up to 1911 and so forth. I know that there are many genie folks who will disagree with this conservative approach, but I would rather not have the headaches of angry emails or worse yet a legal issue arising out of privacy laws. I have people in my gedcom from countries that strictly enforce the 100 year rules. I heard from one of my genie friends, who is writing a book, that he was told to remove anyone born prior to 1910 if the book will published during 2010. My understanding is that he was told this by his publisher, the LDS, and his lawyer. We had a similar discussion on another list about this and there is a lot of different opinions out there concerning it. I just decided to take a conservative approach and then I figure I am covered. In my experience, lawyers don't seem to agree on this topic within the same country let alone trying to make sense of it in an international forum. Laura

No, I don't think I'll include this one!! Ray PS on a serious note it is a strange but just about feasible misreading! 2009/11/30 John Lovie <john.lovie@unco.demon.co.uk> > Dragon in Chinese would be something like Leung or Lung. > > 'Ang ngu' or similar (the 's' doesn't really fit in Chinese) might be > interpreted as 'red cow'. Hmm, that might work. > > Regards, > John > > > > In message <271458.25647.qm@web87004.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Sandy > PITTENDREIGH <dfsgal@btinternet.com> writes > >Gavin Bell g.bell@which.net wrote: > >.... But anything that you find from any these these should *always* be > >checked against the original Census image, which is available both on > >microfilm and as digital images on ScotlandsPeople. > > > >Excellent advice -- here is a case in point. > >A colleague in Dumfries and Galloway Family History Society was > >researching BOWIE in the 1901 Census. > >She discovered a 'Dragon' BOWIE in East Greenock Rewfrewshire. > >'Dragon' being an implausable forename she checked the image of the > >census page and discovered his name was Angus BOWIE. > > > >Index of records can often be out-sourced and in this case it appears > >the out-sourcing was to China. > > > > Maybe Angus in Chinese means Dragon? :-) > > > >Sandy > >in Dumfries SW Scotland > >Researching > >Adam : Freeman : Mackie : Pittendreigh : Ritchie > >in NE Scotland >