Ray's right, the early release of the 1911 census for England & Wales was achieved by government following a petition on the No. 10 Downing Street website. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ People's rights to privacy are worth more than the torment early release of sensitive information might do to those dont need to know. I inherited an envelope in my mother's hand with a plea to let it be because it would do nobody any good. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> > > Well, it does, actually, or at least it is supposed to. This is what the > Department of National Statistics website says, quoting from the relevant > Act: > "Personal census information is held securely for 100 years before being > made available to the public." > > The release of the 1911 data 2 years early was a one-off breaking of the > rule and required, I imagine, a special decision by Parliament. There is a > lot of debate behind the scenes about future release dates. With the > population expecting to include thousands of centenarians soon, it is quite > likely that the 100-year embargo will be reinstated. Especially necessary > as the data collected by Census is becoming more and more detailed [and > intrusive, in my view].

Gavin, Thanks for the reply. It is greatly appreciated. Cheers Roslyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re James GARDEN > Greg Garden wrote: > >> >> Could someone please advise me if there is an Aberdeen city >> directory available for the time frame of 1850-1855? >> >> I am looking for a James Garden in Short Loanings. I know that a >> James Garden married to a Grace Corbett died in 1853. I am looking >> for his father who was born about 1782/83 to see when he is not at >> this address. > > > There is a continuous run of Dircetories for Aberdeen starting in the > 1820s (Aberdeen Public Library has a set). > > But absence from the Directory would not necessarily mean that James was > not living there - you had to pay for inclusion in the Directory, so > while shopkeepers and other people in business might find inclusion to > be a useful advertisement, and grand folk in the West End might feel > they owed it to their status to be listed, a great many people were > simply never included. > > And in any case, there is only ever one name listed per household, not a > list of everyone there. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi Glen, I just wondered if you realised that this list isn't private and messages/names can be searched for on Google etc - I know I wouldn't be happy posting my own full postal address online! Louise > Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8

I got rather cross with someone who took issue with me, fairly recently since they were suggesting people outside of England & Wales - Scotland wasn't discussed - had a right to expect a certificate on paying a fee in accordance with an Act of 1953. My feathers were ruffled because if Register Offices are accepting less than the quality information we are required to give before we are able to obtain a certificate, there is something wrong, just because its more cost effective not to have to question. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> > Gordon Johnson wrote: > >> ... >> In Scotland, the Scotland Act stupidly enshrined the 100 year embargo on >> all Scottish public records, and the census was caught by that, so no >> early release in Scotland, unless the law is altered by the Scottish >> parliament. > > > I wouldn't call it stupid. There is a big difference between "the > public interest" and "what the public might be interested in". The > Census asks some quite personal questions, and the non-publication rule > is there to reassure people that their data will not be released until > long after they are dead and gone. > > Family historians may regret that some other data is embargoed, but in > at least some cases, the applicaton of the 100-year rule is posthumously > righting a historic invasion of privacy. While the relevant laws were > in force (until 1930) any data supplied by persons applying for relief > under the Poor Law immediately became a matter of public record, because > any ratepayer could demand to view the Registers (and in some cases, eg > the City of Aberdeen, the information was actually printed and published!) > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

sandra shaw wrote: > > I have a number of ancestors who lived at Woodside & gave their occupation > as Mill Workers. > Would records exist for employees of these Mills at Woodside? That strikes me as unlikely. The mills have all changed hands and/or disappeared, so I think the chances of any lists of employees surviving would be low. If any have survived, I would expect them to have ended up either with Aberdeen City Archives or with the University of Aberdeen Library (Special Collections). Gavin Bell

Hello Kath Thank you for that excellent piece of information, it gives a lot of background to the family. My interest is in the connection to the PATTON name as I am helping a relative research her PATTON ancestry. Thanks again Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In 1881 Alexander Milne and wife Isabella C. are at the Manse of Tyrie. He is the 54 yr-old minister of the parish, Isabella Patton was 56 and born in Ireland. With them are daughters Caroline J. age 19 and Mary Louisa 13, both born Tyrie. This is the entry for Alexander Milne in the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae: 1856 ALEXANDER MILNE, born Mortlach, 1825, son of Alexander M. and Ann Taylor; educated at King's College, Aberdeen; M.A. (March 1846); became parochial schoolmaster at Drainie; ord. 26th March 1856; D.D. (St Andrews 1899); res. 17th May 1901; died 29th Oct. 1905. He marr. 28th April 1859, Isabella Caroline (died 6th June 1899), daugh. of Captain William Patton of Devonview, Perthshire, and 12th Lancers, and had issue Alexina Anne, born 26th Feb. 1860; Caroline Isabella, lady superintendent of Presbyterian Hospital, Philadelphia, U.S.A., born 14th Sept. 1861; Margaret Anne, born 26th April, and died 3rd July 1863; Thomas Patton, M.A., born 16th Aug. 1864, elected to Second Charge, Kilmarnock, but died before ordination 10th March 1894; Mary Louisa, head of French department of High School, Kirkcaldy, born 27th May 1867.

Hello Goldie Alexander was born Mortlach Banff 1824 and Isabella Caroline (nee PATTON) Ireland 1826. They were married in Chelsea in 1859. Hope this helps you help me. Thanks Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can you be a bit more explicit? When did they marry, what was her maiden name.......more clues would be good. Goldie > Hello from NZ > > I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about > Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, > Aberdeenshire. > > The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. > The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. > The birth of any children. > > Thank you > > Mike

Hello from NZ I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, Aberdeenshire. The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. The birth of any children. Thank you Mike

The privacy laws are there to protect individuals and I believe Ancestry and Rootsweb and such like should also automatically follow the 100 year embargo, instead of leaving that to the discretion of the person uploading data. Be careful about sharing data, even with relatives. I shared data with a distant relative, who agreed that relatives born after 100 years ago were not to go online. That was all fine until he died last year and the person who "inherited" his files decided to upload my family information, all without my permission. They have removed it now, after I luckily noticed and complained, but once it has been online and free access, what can you do.... G

Gordon Johnson wrote: > ... > In Scotland, the Scotland Act stupidly enshrined the 100 year embargo on > all Scottish public records, and the census was caught by that, so no > early release in Scotland, unless the law is altered by the Scottish > parliament. I wouldn't call it stupid. There is a big difference between "the public interest" and "what the public might be interested in". The Census asks some quite personal questions, and the non-publication rule is there to reassure people that their data will not be released until long after they are dead and gone. Family historians may regret that some other data is embargoed, but in at least some cases, the applicaton of the 100-year rule is posthumously righting a historic invasion of privacy. While the relevant laws were in force (until 1930) any data supplied by persons applying for relief under the Poor Law immediately became a matter of public record, because any ratepayer could demand to view the Registers (and in some cases, eg the City of Aberdeen, the information was actually printed and published!) Gavin Bell

Hi, Could someone please advise me if there is an Aberdeen city directory available for the time frame of 1850-1855? I am looking for a James Garden in Short Loanings. I know that a James Garden married to a Grace Corbett died in 1853. I am looking for his father who was born about 1782/83 to see when he is not at this address. Hoping someone is able to help please. Cheers Roslyn Garden.

Greg Garden wrote: > > Could someone please advise me if there is an Aberdeen city > directory available for the time frame of 1850-1855? > > I am looking for a James Garden in Short Loanings. I know that a > James Garden married to a Grace Corbett died in 1853. I am looking > for his father who was born about 1782/83 to see when he is not at > this address. There is a continuous run of Dircetories for Aberdeen starting in the 1820s (Aberdeen Public Library has a set). But absence from the Directory would not necessarily mean that James was not living there - you had to pay for inclusion in the Directory, so while shopkeepers and other people in business might find inclusion to be a useful advertisement, and grand folk in the West End might feel they owed it to their status to be listed, a great many people were simply never included. And in any case, there is only ever one name listed per household, not a list of everyone there. Gavin Bell

Hi Bill, I also have an interest in this farm as my GRANT family came from Ruthven and one of their children was born in Achlichny. Are you on the hunt for HAY/INNES in Achlichny? I'd be interested if you get a reply from them so please let us know how you get on. Cheers, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- > 2009/11/30 Gramps <w.innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > Subject: > Achlichny Farm > > This is a present day working farm in Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland. > How do I go about finding who the people are that are running this farm > today. > > William Innes in Montreal >

Couldn't agree more Goldie. I posted on a message board about the farm where my 3xggf. was born and lo and behold a girl answered saying she lived next door to where it had been. She spent hours running around libraries, cemeteries, taking photos etc looking for my Skenes,. then was amazed when I sent her and her daughter a Xmas present as a thank you. She was just as interested in the history of the area. Love being descended from a Scot. Robyn Fulton Sydney NSW

Glen, There is another advantage to using RootsWeb WorldConnect. Although the data shown to the world have been "cleansed" per your choices, the GEDCOM file is maintained in its "as sent" form. This GEDCOM may be retrieved by you at any time. This makes it a free "off site" backup of your complete data file. For this reason I regularly update the data. BTW: another option is to not show any information on potentially living people, which is my choice. At 02:00 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >From: "Glen Bodie" <glen@glenbodie.com> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? >To: "aberdeen@rootsweb.com" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>, "Ron and Laura > Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > >Laura and friends - I have uploaded and posted my GEDCOM to >RootsWeb. One of the reasons for doing that was that it gave me a >way to protect living people. I get to select the year, and anyone >who "seems to still be alive" after that data will show only a >"Living" plus their surname - no gender or dates or places. That's a >lot easier than keeping 2 GEDCOMs! > >Regards - Glen C. Bodie ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=76l93JyXXnPGBzSDOzx-pgAAJ1HRPJtV0UPWIFV2n9W87NGdAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA=

Ray said: > The release of the 1911 data 2 years early was a one-off breaking of the > rule and required, I imagine, a special decision by Parliament. There is a > lot of debate behind the scenes about future release dates. With the > population expecting to include thousands of centenarians soon, it is quite > likely that the 100-year embargo will be reinstated. Especially necessary > as the data collected by Census is becoming more and more detailed [and > intrusive, in my view]. ** Ray - The situation was that the 1911 census did not have a definite embargo on a 100-year closure, and the Registrar General in England execised his judgement and realeased 1911 early. I gather the 1821 English census DID include a promise of a 100 year closure, and so no early release there. In Scotland, the Scotland Act stupidly enshrined the 100 year embargo on all Scottish public records, and the census was caught by that, so no early release in Scotland, unless the law is altered by the Scottish parliament. It seems the Freedom of Information Act doesn't apply.......:-( Gordon.

In 1881 Alexander Milne and wife Isabella C. are at the Manse of Tyrie. He is the 54 yr-old minister of the parish, Isabella Patton was 56 and born in Ireland. With them are daughters Caroline J. age 19 and Mary Louisa 13, both born Tyrie. This is the entry for Alexander Milne in the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae: 1856 ALEXANDER MILNE, born Mortlach, 1825, son of Alexander M. and Ann Taylor; educated at King's College, Aberdeen; M.A. (March 1846); became parochial schoolmaster at Drainie; ord. 26th March 1856; D.D. (St Andrews 1899); res. 17th May 1901; died 29th Oct. 1905. He marr. 28th April 1859, Isabella Caroline (died 6th June 1899), daugh. of Captain William Patton of Devonview, Perthshire, and 12th Lancers, and had issue Alexina Anne, born 26th Feb. 1860; Caroline Isabella, lady superintendent of Presbyterian Hospital, Philadelphia, U.S.A., born 14th Sept. 1861; Margaret Anne, born 26th April, and died 3rd July 1863; Thomas Patton, M.A., born 16th Aug. 1864, elected to Second Charge, Kilmarnock, but died before ordination 10th March 1894; Mary Louisa, head of French department of High School, Kirkcaldy, born 27th May 1867. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] MILNEs > Hello from NZ > > I wondered if anyone would help me with the following information about > Alexander and Isabella Caroline MILNE and family from Tyree, > Aberdeenshire. > > The 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census information. > The death of Isabella Caroline, probably in 1899. > The birth of any children. > > Thank you > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Laura and friends - I have uploaded and posted my GEDCOM to RootsWeb. One of the reasons for doing that was that it gave me a way to protect living people. I get to select the year, and anyone who "seems to still be alive" after that data will show only a "Living" plus their surname - no gender or dates or places. That's a lot easier than keeping 2 GEDCOMs! Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:05:45 -0600 From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com <snip> I make it a rule to try to eliminate any one born after 1910 from my gedcom at this time. I maintain two gedcoms. One that stays on my computer and does not get uploaded anywhere. One that can be uploaded. The one that can be uploaded has the missing people listed as male or female child living. If I get a death date, then I go ahead and fill in the details. I try once a year to update data for anyone born in the next year. So in 2011 I will go up to 1911 and so forth. <snip> Laura

You never know what you may find when you visit a farm or croft from your past. I visited one a few years back to discover that my family was still farming the same land nearly 300 years later. Apart from about a 10 year gap, their occupancy was unbroken - and those that were there in those few years married into the family anyway. The main difference was that they now owned the place rather than being tenants. However, the real surprise was being shown one of the old family bible which tied in a few loose ends very nicely. Richard