Hi   I found on the ANESFHS MI Index this and it looks to be the parents and some of the siblings of William Garden   Stone # 194:Belhevie   Elspet GARDEN  Janet JAMESON:26 May 1773 James GARDEN: 24 May 1784 Alexander GARDEN: 1 Oct 1793 Ann MARTIN; 1 Jun 1808 George WOOD: 1 Jan 1813 James GARDEN: 23 Mar 1837 Margaret RITCHIE: 22 Jul 1863   Stone # 195:Belhevie   James GARDEN  Barbara GARDEN  Charlot GARDEN  Ann Eliza GARDEN  Robert GARDEN 27 Oct **this could be his brother that was born 05 Mar 1754 Mary EDMUND  William GARDEN  Alexander GARDEN 1 Nov 1812   I hope this can help you with your search of William Garden. Have you tried the census on Ancestry.com. They have old record online that you can view.   Vicki     --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:24 PM Hi, I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him other than his christening. Hoping that someone is able to help. Regards Roslyn. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tim, I managed to access some stuff last night without having to subscribe; are you choosing the Irish Times 150 stuff? Cheers, Carol 2009/12/3 tim sewell <postmantim3@optusnet.com.au> > Pauline, > > I have been able to search the archives, but when I click on a hit to see > the details, I am required to subscribe. > > Has anyone been able to read the details of anything they have found > without having to subscribe? > > Cheers, > Tim Sewell. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pauline Lyons > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:28 PM > Subject: [genealogy] [ABERDEEN] For those with irish ancestors free access > > > Irish Times - Digital Archive > > This year, The Irish Times has been celebrating the 150th anniversary of > its first publication in 1859. > To conclude the celebrations they are again opening The Irish Times > Digital Archive, which contains all newspaper editions from the last 150 > years. The Archive will be free to access from November 30th to December > 14th. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/150 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apologies from here......I was speaking of the CAD census of 1851/2 not 1854, must be 1/2 alseep here.......and thinking he may have had children named after him and/or his wife.....worth the try. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Garden" <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > Thanks Cam, Will do. > > Regards Roslyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > > >> Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then >> widen the search... you can search via parent. >> >> You could also do a death search on the OPRS, though the are limited. >> >> Cam >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:24:37 PM >> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. >> and >> Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. >> Can >> someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or >> whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him >> other than his christening. >> >> Hoping that someone is able to help. >> >> Regards Roslyn. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You need to see the relevant film for Belhelvie, it may give you the name of the croft or place he was from, and some witnesses. The earliest census that I know of is 1854, although I have been told there are some places where there are earlier ones. You are dealing with 1747+ here......not too many records this side of the water in Canada. If he is b 174+ he would have been dead by 1854.....I would try searching for GARDEN on the 1854 and look for some old folks who would have given their birthplace as Canada West or East. Worth the time......Automated Genealogy.com and scroll down....Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Garden" <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > Thanks Cam, Will do. > > Regards Roslyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > > >> Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then >> widen the search... you can search via parent. >> >> You could also do a death search on the OPRS, though the are limited. >> >> Cam >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:24:37 PM >> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. >> and >> Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. >> Can >> someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or >> whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him >> other than his christening. >> >> Hoping that someone is able to help. >> >> Regards Roslyn. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then widen the search... you can search via parent. You could also do a death search on the OPRS, though the are limited. Cam ________________________________ From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:24:37 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN Hi, I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him other than his christening. Hoping that someone is able to help. Regards Roslyn. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pauline, I have been able to search the archives, but when I click on a hit to see the details, I am required to subscribe. Has anyone been able to read the details of anything they have found without having to subscribe? Cheers, Tim Sewell. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pauline Lyons To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [genealogy] [ABERDEEN] For those with irish ancestors free access Irish Times - Digital Archive This year, The Irish Times has been celebrating the 150th anniversary of its first publication in 1859. To conclude the celebrations they are again opening The Irish Times Digital Archive, which contains all newspaper editions from the last 150 years. The Archive will be free to access from November 30th to December 14th. http://www.irishtimes.com/150 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gordon Johnson wrote "this Act was enacted to register all residents of the UK...." For any Canucks looking for kin during the "war years" in Canada: Canada had a similar Act in force 1939-1946. Several years ago I wrote to Ottawa seeking my father who went missing in 1939. They assured me he was not in Canada between 1939 and 1946. Waiting for the 1941 census to be released in 2041 to see if he had stayed in Scotland when he travelled there in 1939 (about September). Mind you, I'll be 105 years old but I am determined to find him! Ed Campbell the body of the message

This Act was enacted to register all residents of the UK for the purposes of wartime duties - from call-up to factory work, as well as to be able to pinpoint aliens. After the war, it was used as the basis for the NHS registration, and has been used for medical statistical analysis, but never open to public view. I gather that the original cards have been amended and updated for years afterwards, and so it is not clear whether the 1939 Registration data is pristine. No doubt we will eventully know..... Gordon.

Keith, I felt my message would be of general information, as I'm sure many listers are not aware that this list is entirely open to the general public and not just to members. I am perfectly aware how to send a private message should the need arise. Louise > Instead of entering one's snail mail address in a list posting, a private > message to the individual alone should have been made, learning the > address > in one of the above methods. > > M Keith Abel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > > >> Hi Glen, >> >> I just wondered if you realised that this list isn't private and >> messages/names can be searched for on Google etc - I know I wouldn't be >> happy posting my own full postal address online! >> >> Louise >> >>> Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have tried and got nothing at all to come up apart from some information about what resources were available. How exactly do you access the free part? Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Wed, 2/12/09, Pauline Lyons <hannaford@netspace.net.au> wrote: From: Pauline Lyons <hannaford@netspace.net.au> Subject: [ABERDEEN] For those with irish ancestors free access To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 8:28 Irish Times - Digital Archive This year, The Irish Times has been celebrating the 150th anniversary of its first publication in 1859. To conclude the celebrations they are again opening The Irish Times Digital Archive, which contains all newspaper editions from the last 150 years. The Archive will be free to access from November 30th to December 14th. http://www.irishtimes.com/150 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Louise I have some difficulty with the privacy issue re - address's. Most countries you can look up the phone book and alongside your telephone number is your address. These phone books can be accessed by anyone online. One gives their full address to lots of companies and in many cases you have no option if you want access to their services. I know they all have "Privacy Policies" which you may inspect but most of these state that the only other individuals/companies that they will share your private information with are their wholly owned subsidies. But who are they and what are their privacy policy if any ? I am afraid their is no such thing as privacy these days. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > Hi Glen, > > I just wondered if you realised that this list isn't private and > messages/names can be searched for on Google etc - I know I wouldn't be > happy posting my own full postal address online! > > Louise > >> Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.90/2540 - Release Date: 12/02/09 17:33:00

An individual request would have been granted to any one by the Information Commissioner to one particular record on payment of a fee of £45 before the release of the 1911 census, providing he was satisfied with the application which had to supply addresses; limited information only would have been released. Mr. Etchells exercised his rights. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Candlish" <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au> | Hi | | The early release of the 1911 England & Wales census was achieved because of | an FOI request by a gentleman called Guy Etchells. | | http://www.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/page/yft?entry=view_the_1911_census_early | | Whilst there was a petition around that time it was the FOI ruling that led | to the early release. | | http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/

I am also interested in the MILNE surname. Elizabeth MILNE married Daniel ROBERTSON, 16 February, 1839. I have tried before with little success maybe this time...... Jan _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a great date? Meet singles at ninemsn dating http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

Hi The early release of the 1911 England & Wales census was achieved because of an FOI request by a gentleman called Guy Etchells. http://www.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/page/yft?entry=view_the_1911_census_early Whilst there was a petition around that time it was the FOI ruling that led to the early release. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/ It is also an FOI request from Guy Etchells that has opened the door to access to information collected under the 1939 Registration Act. The information collected was as follows 1. Names. 2. Sex. 3. Age. 4. Occupation, profession, trade or employment. 5. Residence. 6. Condition as to marriage. 7. Membership of Naval, Military or Air Force Reserves or Auxiliary Forces or of Civil Defence Services or Reserves A few weeks ago a decision was handed down that Guy was entitled to the information relating to a person as long as that person was deceased. We should know in the next week or to as to whether there is an appeal or not. This relates to England & Wales, I don't know about Scotland. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > Ray's right, the early release of the 1911 census for England & Wales was > achieved by > government following a petition on the No. 10 Downing Street website. > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ People's rights to privacy are worth > more than the > torment early release of sensitive information might do to those dont need > to know. I > inherited an envelope in my mother's hand with a plea to let it be because > it would do > nobody any good. > > Janet > >

I was able to find and download one article through the archives portal (accessed via the 150 years page). But when I tried to download a second, I got only the subscription info. It's very effective hook-baiting ... I am considering the 10-Euro payment for 24 hours access. Wm in freezing western Canada

Hello and thank you to all List members who replied to my query regarding posting of Deaths (SMART and assoc.families) after 1910. It was my hope that Informants mentioned might lead to connections with living family members in Aberdeen / shire. Since the consensus seems to be against posting the Death info, I have decided not to pursue this further. I will continue to monitor for future SMART queries >just in case. Happy Holidays, Ruth, in Canada.

** Gavin - I used the word "stupidly" for the process whereby there was no proper scrutiny of the records, to see what merited inclusion or exclusion. In their haste to get the Act through, they skipped that sort of examination and just lumped it all together. The Registrar General for Scotland had accordingly no authority for any decision, so we get a dichotomy between England and Scotland. Gordon. Gavin said: > Gordon Johnson wrote: >>> ... >>> In Scotland, the Scotland Act stupidly enshrined the 100 year embargo on >>> all Scottish public records, and the census was caught by that, so no >>> early release in Scotland, unless the law is altered by the Scottish >>> parliament. > > > > I wouldn't call it stupid. There is a big difference between "the > public interest" and "what the public might be interested in". The > Census asks some quite personal questions, and the non-publication rule > is there to reassure people that their data will not be released until > long after they are dead and gone. > > Family historians may regret that some other data is embargoed, but in > at least some cases, the applicaton of the 100-year rule is posthumously > righting a historic invasion of privacy. While the relevant laws were > in force (until 1930) any data supplied by persons applying for relief > under the Poor Law immediately became a matter of public record, because > any ratepayer could demand to view the Registers (and in some cases, eg > the City of Aberdeen, the information was actually printed and published!) > > > Gavin Bell > > > ------------------------------

Dear Listers: I am surprised how frequently listers are apparently not aware how to find the e-mail address of the sender of a submitted list message. Method one: Print the message, the address will appear after the name "From" in the printed copy whereas it is not displayed on the monitor copy. Method two: For those who do not wish to spend the cost of paper and ink, with the message displayed, click on "File" and from the drop down menu, click on "Properties". The senders e-mail address will be displayed in the second line of the menu displayed. Instead of entering one's snail mail address in a list posting, a private message to the individual alone should have been made, learning the address in one of the above methods. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? > Hi Glen, > > I just wondered if you realised that this list isn't private and > messages/names can be searched for on Google etc - I know I wouldn't be > happy posting my own full postal address online! > > Louise > >> Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 >

Hi Gavin, I have a number of ancestors who lived at Woodside & gave their occupation as Mill Workers. Would records exist for employees of these Mills at Woodside? Regards Sandra

Jane (Ann) MILNE (MILL) b ca 1760 Aberdeen d 1841 ae 81 married Methlick area, James IMLAY, bap 4-16-1757 MEIKLE ARDO, died bet 1841 & 1851 CENSUS Their children were: Helen ca 1787 - 7-13-1860 Cumnieston, Monquhitter, Peter 1789 - 9-26-1871 Montech, Methlick, Alexander ca 1790 - aft 1871. I descend from their son: Peter IMLAH 1789 - 9-26-1871. Dale in Holt, Michigan, USA Any out there with any connections?