Andy Candlish wrote: > Hi Ray > > There is a reference in the link below to the Freedom of Information > (Scotland) Act 2002 exempting personal Census records from disclosure until > after a 100 year closure period. I haven't looked at the Act to see exactly > what it says > > http://www.1911census.org.uk/scotland.htm > > Andy > > > Yes the Scottish 1931 Census is safe as it was not stored in the English warehouse that burnt down. The Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act (2002) *http://tinyurl.com/ykqyxa8 *specificallly notes census records as exempt in section 38. The 1939 national Registration should be easy to access as the exepmtion apparently being used is that it is part of a persons medical record. However a NHS spokens clearly stated in 1953 that that was not the case as the NHS had wholley abandoned use of the 1939 national Registration *http://tinyurl.com/ygqblls* Cheers Guy --

2009/12/8 Andy Candlish <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au> wrote: Hi Ray > > I believe the 1931 Scottish census survived. I have seen a couple of > references to that (including in the link below) > > > http://scottishancestry.blogspot.com/2009/11/1939-nhs-census-to-be-made-available-in.html > > Andy > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Aye, Andy. Gavin has written to me with a similar view and it seems from Chris Paton's blog you cite that you are right and the Scottish 1931 records are safe. Hooray. Gavin has also questioned whether the Whitehall decisions - specifically the 1920 Act and the 1991 amendment - still hold sway in Scotland. When they were enacted they certainly did cover Scotland [1920 paragraph 9, and 1991 Paragraph , section "(2)"]. I freely admit that I don't know if that has been superseded by the Scottish devolution act or later amendments to it. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the legalese of the Acts could find out???? The verbiage confuses the wotsit out of me! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

2009/12/8 Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> wrote: Just for clarity, the details supplied - accurately - by Guy Etchells > applies solely to the England and Wales Census. The Scottish census has > never been transferred into a public repository, and so remains under the > previous legal restrictions, further enshrined under the Scotland Act, and > cannot be released early. > ___________________________________ Hi Gordon I think the last word in your posting - "early" - is redundant as it suggests that there is some specified time-limit. The Scotland's People website FAQs does state that Census "Records may only be inspected after 100 years" but I think this is not necessarily the true state of the legislation - unless there is an amendment I can't find [not unlikely!!] As I read the 1920 Act and the 1991 Amendment, and Guy stressed this, there was NO date for the release of the Census data for any Census taken after 1920. It is now open to the Registrar-General of Scotland to move to insert a provision to release the data. Whether that has been done is obscure to me - I can't bear to try to plough through the various annual publications from Holyrood on the matter!! I believe the 1931 Census records were destroyed in the war and there was no Census in 1941. So in ten years we [or our successors] may be doing this all over again and then there will be a gap of thirty years before it is likely to be revisited. Given the determination of the GROS to not release Scottish 1911 before 2011 despite the decison in Whitehall, and the no-release-date provision for 1921 and later, perhaps we should start agitating now for a release date to be enacted?? -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Just for clarity, the details supplied - accurately - by Guy Etchells applies solely to the England and Wales Census. The Scottish census has never been transferred into a public repository, and so remains under the previous legal restrictions, further enshrined under the Scotland Act, and cannot be released early. Gordon Johnson.

To Guy Etchels Thank you for letting us know the correct position regarding release of Census information, Guy. The 1920 Act and the 1991 Amendment certainly bars anyone from looking at the 1921 and later Census details. We will have to hope for an Act of Parliament or an Amendment to the 1991 Act to enable the formal release of the data. If we are to make it possible for family historians coming after us to have the same facilities as we enjoy, will a new petition be launched? I note that the 1931 records were destroyed in the war and, of course, there wasn't a 1941 Census. So the interruption between 1921 & 1951 will be significant and clearly everyone should be assiduously combing the memories of their older relatives [if any] to fill in detail which will be missing from official records. Thanks again both for informing us and for all your hard work on behalf of all of us. Ray Hennessy 2009/12/6 Guy Etchells <guy.etchells@virgin.net> > Sorry this posting is not threaded but I have just subscribed. > > I was advised of postings on this list by a friend who mentioned there > was some misunderstanding on the list re the 1911 census release. > > The timeline was as follows. > For all census up to and including the 1901 census it was possible on > payment of a fee to request information on the next unreleased census. > After the release of the 1901 census in 2002 this changed the GRO > refused to release information from further census. > > Because of this refusal I made a request under the Freedom Of > Information Act and this eventually forced them to release the information. > > I made my original request on 20 May 2005. I secured the decision from > the Information Commission on the 12th December 2006 which forced the > GRO to release the information. > > On December 13^th 2006 the National Archives announced the 1911 census > would be online in early 2009 and available through an interim search > service from January 2007 (fee £45.00p.) whilst the census schedules > were being scanned. > > There was no decision in Parliament to release the census (as can be > confirmed through Hansard) and the web the petition (which ran until the > 08 March 2007) had no effect on the decision either as the decision had > already been made and announced. > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/ > > I should also point out that unless there is a change in the law it is > illegal to ever release information from any census (England & Wales) > taken after 1920. Not in 10 years, not in 100 years not in 1000 years. > > The 1920 Census Act as amended forbids the release of information forever. > > I am afraid the National Archives site gives an inaccurate view of the > legislation. > > The correct information may been seen on my website at > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eframland/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm>< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eframland/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm > > > > and the amendment at > > http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991/Ukpga_19910006_en_1.htm > > Incidentally the Information Commissioner (the person who rules on the Data > Protection Act and the FOI has already stated that it is acceptable for a > person to include details on their website if that website is for the > purposes of family history. > > That only applies to personal websites and not commercial websites. > > Cheers > Guy > > -- > > > > >

Hi   Your welcome   Vicki --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 6:56 AM Victoria, Thank you very much for this it is a big help. Regards Roslyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > Hi > > I found on the ANESFHS MI Index this and it looks to be the parents and > some of the > siblings of William Garden > > Stone # 194:Belhevie > > Elspet GARDEN > Janet JAMESON:26 May 1773 > James GARDEN: 24 May 1784 > Alexander GARDEN: 1 Oct 1793 > Ann MARTIN; 1 Jun 1808 > George WOOD: 1 Jan 1813 > James GARDEN: 23 Mar 1837 > Margaret RITCHIE: 22 Jul 1863 > > Stone # 195:Belhevie > > James GARDEN > Barbara GARDEN > Charlot GARDEN > Ann Eliza GARDEN > Robert GARDEN 27 Oct **this could be his brother that was born 05 Mar 1754 > Mary EDMUND > William GARDEN > Alexander GARDEN 1 Nov 1812 > > I hope this can help you with your search of William Garden. > Have you tried the census on Ancestry.com. > They have old record online that you can view. > > Vicki > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:24 PM > > > Hi, > > I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and > Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can > someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or > whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him > other than his christening. > > Hoping that someone is able to help. > > Regards Roslyn. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi. This is William Innes in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. I'm looking for my cousin William "Billy" Steel born in Scotland about 1932. His mother was Mary Margaret Shaw Innes born 2 Oct.1894 at Glendullan House located in Dufftown, Banff, Scotland. Her parents were William Innes and "Maggie" Kellas. Mary died on the 1 May 1970. On the 29 Oct.1921 she married John Steel at the County Building in Elgin. What I do know about "Billy" is that he married a lady by the name of Maria and that they had two children: David born about 1962 and Angela born about 1964. Not sure where Billy lived but I have reason to believe that he may have lived in either Elgin, Inverness or Aberdeen. If you feel that there may be a link with this family would love to hear from you. Cordially William Innes

Sorry this posting is not threaded but I have just subscribed. I was advised of postings on this list by a friend who mentioned there was some misunderstanding on the list re the 1911 census release. The timeline was as follows. For all census up to and including the 1901 census it was possible on payment of a fee to request information on the next unreleased census. After the release of the 1901 census in 2002 this changed the GRO refused to release information from further census. Because of this refusal I made a request under the Freedom Of Information Act and this eventually forced them to release the information. I made my original request on 20 May 2005. I secured the decision from the Information Commission on the 12th December 2006 which forced the GRO to release the information. On December 13^th 2006 the National Archives announced the 1911 census would be online in early 2009 and available through an interim search service from January 2007 (fee £45.00p.) whilst the census schedules were being scanned. There was no decision in Parliament to release the census (as can be confirmed through Hansard) and the web the petition (which ran until the 08 March 2007) had no effect on the decision either as the decision had already been made and announced. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/ I should also point out that unless there is a change in the law it is illegal to ever release information from any census (England & Wales) taken after 1920. Not in 10 years, not in 100 years not in 1000 years. The 1920 Census Act as amended forbids the release of information forever. I am afraid the National Archives site gives an inaccurate view of the legislation. The correct information may been seen on my website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eframland/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm> and the amendment at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991/Ukpga_19910006_en_1.htm Incidentally the Information Commissioner (the person who rules on the Data Protection Act and the FOI has already stated that it is acceptable for a person to include details on their website if that website is for the purposes of family history. That only applies to personal websites and not commercial websites. Cheers Guy --

2009/12/5 Don Wilson <dwilson36@cogeco.ca> asked: Could someone tell me app. how many messages have been generated on this > list in the past 24 hr period. > > Having e-mail problems. > _____________________________________ Hi Don In the 24 hours before your message there were five messages. You can always check in the Archive. For December, see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ABERDEEN/2009-12 -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

In the way that Mr. Guy Etchells has written to me for the sole purposes of arguing with me! What I don't understand is how he knew I had posted...... ?! [someone knows but please don't reply in speculation.] Exercising the Freedom of Information Act is open to everyone and it was easy to do because the 1911 census was not held by the Office of National Statistics. I applaud the common man who exercises their rights but lets not have heroics. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? | Keith, I felt my message would be of general information, as I'm sure many | listers are not aware that this list is entirely open to the general | public and not just to members. I am perfectly aware how to send a private | message should the need arise. | | Louise | | > Instead of entering one's snail mail address in a list posting, a private | > message to the individual alone should have been made, learning the | > address | > in one of the above methods. | > | > M Keith Abel | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: <medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk> | > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:03 PM | > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 100 year limit? | > | > | >> Hi Glen, | >> | >> I just wondered if you realised that this list isn't private and | >> messages/names can be searched for on Google etc - I know I wouldn't be | >> happy posting my own full postal address online! | >> | >> Louise

Hi Carol, I have just tried again, and have downloaded a birth notice without any problem. I didn't change my procedure, so it looks as if the Irish Times has fixed the earlier problem. Cheers, Tim S. (please delete myfairlyobviousspamtrap if you wish to reply directly) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Forsberg To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [genealogy] Re: [ABERDEEN] For those with irish ancestors free access Hi Tim, I managed to access some stuff last night without having to subscribe; are you choosing the Irish Times 150 stuff? Cheers, Carol 2009/12/3 tim sewell <postmantim3@optusnet.com.au> > Pauline, > > I have been able to search the archives, but when I click on a hit to see > the details, I am required to subscribe. > > Has anyone been able to read the details of anything they have found > without having to subscribe? > > Cheers, > Tim Sewell. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pauline Lyons > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:28 PM > Subject: [genealogy] [ABERDEEN] For those with irish ancestors free access > > > Irish Times - Digital Archive > > This year, The Irish Times has been celebrating the 150th anniversary of > its first publication in 1859. > To conclude the celebrations they are again opening The Irish Times > Digital Archive, which contains all newspaper editions from the last 150 > years. The Archive will be free to access from November 30th to December > 14th. > > http://www.irishtimes.com/150 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re 1940 National Registration In Canada you do not have to wait until 2040. Write to Statistics Canada- Census Pension Searches Unit-Used to cost $45 plus tax. John Anderton ----- Original Message ----- From: <aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:00 AM Subject: ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 531 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re William GARDEN (Victoria West) > 2. Re: Re William GARDEN (Ray Hennessy) > 3. Re: Re William GARDEN (Greg Garden) > 4. Re: Re William GARDEN (Greg Garden) > 5. Re: 1939 Registration Act (Janet) > 6. Re: Re William GARDEN (Janet) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:29:17 -0800 (PST) > From: Victoria West <vawest2000@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49740.50902.qm@web38303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi > ? > I found on the ANESFHS MI Index this and it looks to be the parents and > some of the > siblings of William Garden > ? > Stone #?194:Belhevie > ? > Elspet GARDEN? > Janet JAMESON:26 May 1773 > James GARDEN: 24 May 1784 > Alexander GARDEN: 1 Oct 1793 > Ann MARTIN; 1 Jun 1808 > George WOOD: 1 Jan 1813 > James GARDEN: 23 Mar 1837 > Margaret RITCHIE: 22 Jul 1863 > ? > Stone?# 195:Belhevie > ? > James GARDEN? > Barbara GARDEN? > Charlot GARDEN? > Ann Eliza GARDEN? > Robert GARDEN 27 Oct **this could be his brother that was born 05 Mar 1754 > Mary EDMUND? > William GARDEN? > Alexander GARDEN 1 Nov 1812 > ? > I hope this can help you with your search of William Garden. > Have you tried the census on Ancestry.com. > They have old record online that you can view. > ? > Vicki > ? > ? > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:24 PM > > > Hi, > > I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and > Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can > someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or > whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him > other than his christening. > > Hoping that someone is able to help. > > Regards Roslyn. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:10:34 +0000 > From: Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <c31aa9c00912040210q1566f4dcx4d0719a8c4028948@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2009/12/4 In reply to Roslyn, Cameron MCBAIN wrote: > > Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then >> widen the search... you can search via parent. >> > ____________________________________________ > > Hi Roslyn > > As a preliminary search it is always worth looking in the IGI. On the > record for William's birth you will see two film numbers for births in the > OPR. If you click on one of those you get a search screen which will let > you look for anyone with the surname = GARDEN or GAIRDEN, etc and father = > William. > > This will show that William had no children in Belhelvie [it also shows by > putting father=James that William had one sibling for certain, Robert, and > five possible ones where the mother wasn't named]. > > This initial search could save you credits on Scotland's People but it is > always worth thinking about confirming relevant IGI entries on ScP. > Rremember also to exclude LDS submissions on the IGI as the source for > those > isn't revealed. > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** >>From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:56:27 +1000 > From: "Greg Garden" <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3529B344A59E4BDCAE48BBFD358A5ADD@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Victoria, > > Thank you very much for this it is a big help. > > Regards Roslyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > > >> Hi >> >> I found on the ANESFHS MI Index this and it looks to be the parents and >> some of the >> siblings of William Garden >> >> Stone # 194:Belhevie >> >> Elspet GARDEN >> Janet JAMESON:26 May 1773 >> James GARDEN: 24 May 1784 >> Alexander GARDEN: 1 Oct 1793 >> Ann MARTIN; 1 Jun 1808 >> George WOOD: 1 Jan 1813 >> James GARDEN: 23 Mar 1837 >> Margaret RITCHIE: 22 Jul 1863 >> >> Stone # 195:Belhevie >> >> James GARDEN >> Barbara GARDEN >> Charlot GARDEN >> Ann Eliza GARDEN >> Robert GARDEN 27 Oct **this could be his brother that was born 05 Mar >> 1754 >> Mary EDMUND >> William GARDEN >> Alexander GARDEN 1 Nov 1812 >> >> I hope this can help you with your search of William Garden. >> Have you tried the census on Ancestry.com. >> They have old record online that you can view. >> >> Vicki >> >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:24 PM >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. >> and >> Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. >> Can >> someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or >> whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him >> other than his christening. >> >> Hoping that someone is able to help. >> >> Regards Roslyn. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:58:05 +1000 > From: "Greg Garden" <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3BAB4D79B3714D98A67160BB4A22D847@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Ray, > > Thank you for this. Will check it. > > Regards Roslyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > > >> 2009/12/4 In reply to Roslyn, Cameron MCBAIN wrote: >> >> Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then >>> widen the search... you can search via parent. >>> >> ____________________________________________ >> >> Hi Roslyn >> >> As a preliminary search it is always worth looking in the IGI. On the >> record for William's birth you will see two film numbers for births in >> the >> OPR. If you click on one of those you get a search screen which will let >> you look for anyone with the surname = GARDEN or GAIRDEN, etc and father >> = >> William. >> >> This will show that William had no children in Belhelvie [it also shows >> by >> putting father=James that William had one sibling for certain, Robert, >> and >> five possible ones where the mother wasn't named]. >> >> This initial search could save you credits on Scotland's People but it is >> always worth thinking about confirming relevant IGI entries on ScP. >> Rremember also to exclude LDS submissions on the IGI as the source for >> those >> isn't revealed. >> -- >> Best wishes >> >> Ray >> >> ********************************************************** >>>From Ray Hennessy >> Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net >> Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net >> Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP >> ********************************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:50:03 -0000 > From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 1939 Registration Act > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A24CD9DE32684CC1B7F6F2F16470DE6C@TOSHIBA> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > We have a lot to be thankful for and we also expect a lot. When our very > existence proves > an event that we ought to be able > to find in the years which are published and freely available for a small > sum in the years > which are published, it brings us back to reality. I cant obtain my > second great > grandfather's death record, or burial. I've spent sufficiently to know he > didn't die in > Britain. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Campbell" <edcampbl@shaw.ca> > > >> Gordon Johnson wrote "this Act was enacted to register all residents of >> the >> UK...." >> >> >> For any Canucks looking for kin during the "war years" in Canada: >> >> Canada had a similar Act in force 1939-1946. Several years ago I wrote >> to >> Ottawa seeking my father who went missing in 1939. They assured me he >> was >> not in Canada between 1939 and 1946. >> >> Waiting for the 1941 census to be released in 2041 to see if he had >> stayed >> in Scotland when he travelled there in 1939 (about September). Mind you, >> I'll be 105 years old but I am determined to find him! >> >> Ed Campbell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:51:42 -0000 > From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2CF3ABD1BF1F45EF9BBBF1F828F86141@TOSHIBA> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Have you thought about name variations. GARDYNE perhaps as a for > instance? > > Janet > >> ________________________________ >> From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> >> Hi, >> >> I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. >> and Jannet >> JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can >> someone help me as >> to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or whether he stayed >> in Scotland >> please. I cannot find anything else on him other than his christening. >> >> Hoping that someone is able to help. >> >> Regards Roslyn. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to > ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 531 > **************************************** >

Could someone tell me app. how many messages have been generated on this list in the past 24 hr period. Having e-mail problems. Don

Ray, Thank you for this. Will check it. Regards Roslyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > 2009/12/4 In reply to Roslyn, Cameron MCBAIN wrote: > > Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then >> widen the search... you can search via parent. >> > ____________________________________________ > > Hi Roslyn > > As a preliminary search it is always worth looking in the IGI. On the > record for William's birth you will see two film numbers for births in the > OPR. If you click on one of those you get a search screen which will let > you look for anyone with the surname = GARDEN or GAIRDEN, etc and father = > William. > > This will show that William had no children in Belhelvie [it also shows by > putting father=James that William had one sibling for certain, Robert, and > five possible ones where the mother wasn't named]. > > This initial search could save you credits on Scotland's People but it is > always worth thinking about confirming relevant IGI entries on ScP. > Rremember also to exclude LDS submissions on the IGI as the source for > those > isn't revealed. > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** >>From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Victoria, Thank you very much for this it is a big help. Regards Roslyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria West" <vawest2000@yahoo.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > Hi > > I found on the ANESFHS MI Index this and it looks to be the parents and > some of the > siblings of William Garden > > Stone # 194:Belhevie > > Elspet GARDEN > Janet JAMESON:26 May 1773 > James GARDEN: 24 May 1784 > Alexander GARDEN: 1 Oct 1793 > Ann MARTIN; 1 Jun 1808 > George WOOD: 1 Jan 1813 > James GARDEN: 23 Mar 1837 > Margaret RITCHIE: 22 Jul 1863 > > Stone # 195:Belhevie > > James GARDEN > Barbara GARDEN > Charlot GARDEN > Ann Eliza GARDEN > Robert GARDEN 27 Oct **this could be his brother that was born 05 Mar 1754 > Mary EDMUND > William GARDEN > Alexander GARDEN 1 Nov 1812 > > I hope this can help you with your search of William Garden. > Have you tried the census on Ancestry.com. > They have old record online that you can view. > > Vicki > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:24 PM > > > Hi, > > I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and > Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can > someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or > whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him > other than his christening. > > Hoping that someone is able to help. > > Regards Roslyn. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have you thought about name variations. GARDYNE perhaps as a for instance? Janet > ________________________________ > From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > Hi, > > I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and Jannet > JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can someone help me as > to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or whether he stayed in Scotland > please. I cannot find anything else on him other than his christening. > > Hoping that someone is able to help. > > Regards Roslyn.

We have a lot to be thankful for and we also expect a lot. When our very existence proves an event that we ought to be able to find in the years which are published and freely available for a small sum in the years which are published, it brings us back to reality. I cant obtain my second great grandfather's death record, or burial. I've spent sufficiently to know he didn't die in Britain. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Campbell" <edcampbl@shaw.ca> > Gordon Johnson wrote "this Act was enacted to register all residents of the > UK...." > > > For any Canucks looking for kin during the "war years" in Canada: > > Canada had a similar Act in force 1939-1946. Several years ago I wrote to > Ottawa seeking my father who went missing in 1939. They assured me he was > not in Canada between 1939 and 1946. > > Waiting for the 1941 census to be released in 2041 to see if he had stayed > in Scotland when he travelled there in 1939 (about September). Mind you, > I'll be 105 years old but I am determined to find him! > > Ed Campbell

Thanks Cam, Will do. Regards Roslyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then > widen the search... you can search via parent. > > You could also do a death search on the OPRS, though the are limited. > > Cam > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Greg Garden <gardeng@optusnet.com.au> > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:24:37 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re William GARDEN > > Hi, > > I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and > Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can > someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or > whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him > other than his christening. > > Hoping that someone is able to help. > > Regards Roslyn. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have a William GARDEN chr 2.11.1747 Belhelvie to a James GARDEN Jnr. and Jannet JAMESON. I have been informed that he may have gone to America. Can someone help me as to where to look to see if this is indeed the case or whether he stayed in Scotland please. I cannot find anything else on him other than his christening. Hoping that someone is able to help. Regards Roslyn.

2009/12/4 In reply to Roslyn, Cameron MCBAIN wrote: Check ScotsPeople OPRs to see if the man had any kids in Belhelvie, then > widen the search... you can search via parent. > ____________________________________________ Hi Roslyn As a preliminary search it is always worth looking in the IGI. On the record for William's birth you will see two film numbers for births in the OPR. If you click on one of those you get a search screen which will let you look for anyone with the surname = GARDEN or GAIRDEN, etc and father = William. This will show that William had no children in Belhelvie [it also shows by putting father=James that William had one sibling for certain, Robert, and five possible ones where the mother wasn't named]. This initial search could save you credits on Scotland's People but it is always worth thinking about confirming relevant IGI entries on ScP. Rremember also to exclude LDS submissions on the IGI as the source for those isn't revealed. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************