Thanks, George. Venita On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:44 PM, George Brander wrote: > Hi Venita > I think you will find that George Michie was born at a different Oyne also > in Aberdeenshire > This is a link to some photographs of that area of Aberdeenshire > http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ6825 > Regards > George > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Venita Roylance <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, George, for the link to the photos. My ancestor, George MICHIE, >> was born in Oyne in 1707. Seeing photos of where he lived makes him more >> real to me! >> >> Venita >> >> On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:12 AM, George Brander wrote: >> >>> Thanks Gavin for the confirmation of the pronunciation of Oyn. >>> >>> Doing some google searches I found this website with some interesting >>> photographs by Anne Burgess of the old buildings at Oyn and the >> surrrounding >>> area of Drumfold ,Smallburn and Sinsharnie >>> >>> http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=9916581 >>> >>> Like all photographs by Anne the ones on this site (almost a thousand >>> images) are quite stunning and of great interest to someone like myself >> as >>> they bring to life the landscape, buildings, places and farmsteads of >> this >>> area which formerly were just names on the OPRs . Well worth a look if >> your >>> ancestors came from the Strathbogie area of Aberdeenshire >>> >>> regards >>> George >>> -- >>> George Brander >>> Torre de la Horadada >>> España >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the Christian name of Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it was a misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 she is female and in 1871 she is listed as female  patient in the insane asylum. I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that was even more surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard born Jan. 19,1847 King Edward, Aberdeen. Knowing things are not always right with Ancestry  and LDS sites I pulled up the Death Reg. from Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was Cobden,the sad part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. I wonder has anyone else ever heard of this name.   Adeline

John Roy SIM was born 12 June 1868 at the Militia Barracks , Aberdeen. His parents were George SIM and Margaret ROY. After the death of his father , a soldier pensioner, he was educated at the Royal Military Asylum , Chelsea . He was a scholar there aged 12 in 1881 (RG11 Piece 79 Folio 91 Page 8). I haven't located him in 1891 he is possibly on board the SS Mayfield docked in South Shields (RG13 Piece 4737 Folio 191) as a ship's cook - married. This may not be him - I may be influenced by the fact that by 1901 his widowed mother and 2 brothers George and James had settled in South Shields and his sister Jane and family lived in North Shields. I have not found any record of a marriage or a death in Scotland. If any one could help me find any information on this man I would be grateful. He is my brick wall in the Sim family. Thank you Margaret DANIELS Cullercoats Northumberland

Hi All, I am back after a while away and still looking for information on Elizabeth Lamb. Elizabeth Lamb married James Angus but am unable to find the marriage anywhere.I would like to be able to find out as much information as I can on this family. Their son James was born about 1836 in Aberdeen, Scotland. Elizabeth Angus appears on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census but prior to that I cant find her Hoping some one maybe able to help me Regards Marilyn Melbourne Australia

Hi listers, Would SKS be prepared to venture the "correct" pronunciation of "Peterhead". I was chatting to a Scot last week (we both found ourselves watching the sun set over the Gariep Dam's 360 square kilometers of lake) who assured me that the "head" part must be pronounced "heed". He confessed, however, that he hadn't been back to Scotland in some decades. Is he correct? Steve Cape Town

The locals will say "Petaheed" It is often pronounced by some as though the "t" wasn't there. [My husband's mothers' family came from Peterhead] Betty Holmes > Would SKS be prepared to venture the "correct" pronunciation of > "Peterhead". > I was chatting to a Scot last week (we both found ourselves watching the > sun > set over the Gariep Dam's 360 square kilometers of lake) who assured me > that > the "head" part must be pronounced "heed". He confessed, however, that he > hadn't been back to Scotland in some decades. > > Is he correct? > > Steve > Cape Town > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.126/2601 - Release Date: 01/05/10 07:35:00

Hi George, Did you notice in Photo NJ5046 St Carol's Kirk, the third headstone from the left (red granite) Inscription: Alexander Mellis of Ruthven born 1820 - 1894 aged 74yrs, (under) his wife Jessie McIntosh 1824 - 1852 aged 28 years. Adam Thompson, son-inlaw of the above died 13 May 1901 aged 53. Isabella Mellis wife of the above aged 74 yrs, also their son Alex aged 35 years, Adam aged 26 years. George, you wont be able to read the inscription from the photo. I did take a close up photo on my last visit. By the way, I will be in Scotland from 1/7/2010 to 14/9/2010. Maybe see you at the Lonach gathering. Sandy Mellis (Alexander) ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Re Oyn or Een, Cairnie by Huntly

Steve Broekmann wrote: > Hi listers, > > Would SKS be prepared to venture the "correct" pronunciation of "Peterhead". > I was chatting to a Scot last week (we both found ourselves watching the sun > set over the Gariep Dam's 360 square kilometers of lake) who assured me that > the "head" part must be pronounced "heed". "Must be"? Sez who? "Peterheed" is certainly how the name is often pronounced by NE natives - but folk from outside the immediate area will call it "Peterhead". I would suggest that neither of these pronunciations is "wrong", and that trying to enforce the one or the other is doomed undertaking. Many names, for both places and people, have more than one pronunciation. Rather than try to enforce the use of one or the other, I suggest accepting - and indeed welcoming - the variations. Gavin Bell

M D BALL wrote: > Looking for information on the occupation of a "BILL POSTER" > > My great-grand-father, James Young Pattison (1851 - 1908) lived in > Aberdeen and was a bill poster and eventually became the manager of > the North of Scotland for the General-Bill-Posting Company. > > I would like to get an indication of the nature of his work, who the > General-Bill-Posting Co. was, and where I might find information > about this type of job. In this context, a "bill" is an advertisement, and a bill poster or bill sticker was employed to stick such advertisements on walls and hoardings. This was not always done with the permission of the owners of the walls, who then put up notices of their own, reading "Bill Stickers Will Be Prosecuted". That, in turn, led to graffiti and lapel-badges bearing messages like "Bill Stickers is innocent", or "Free Bill Stickers". I don't know about the "General Bill-Posting Company", but it sounds as if he became an Advertising Executive. Gavin Bell

Looking for information on the occupation of a "BILL POSTER" My great-grand-father, James Young Pattison (1851 - 1908) lived in Aberdeen and was a bill poster and eventually became the manager of the North of Scotland for the General-Bill-Posting Company. I would like to get an indication of the nature of his work, who the General-Bill-Posting Co. was, and where I might find information about this type of job. Michael Ball 1903-100 Quebec Ave Toronto, ON, M6P 4B8 mdball@sympatico.ca

Hi Venita I think you will find that George Michie was born at a different Oyne also in Aberdeenshire This is a link to some photographs of that area of Aberdeenshire http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ6825 Regards George On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Venita Roylance <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > Thanks, George, for the link to the photos. My ancestor, George MICHIE, > was born in Oyne in 1707. Seeing photos of where he lived makes him more > real to me! > > Venita > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:12 AM, George Brander wrote: > > > Thanks Gavin for the confirmation of the pronunciation of Oyn. > > > > Doing some google searches I found this website with some interesting > > photographs by Anne Burgess of the old buildings at Oyn and the > surrrounding > > area of Drumfold ,Smallburn and Sinsharnie > > > > http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=9916581 > > > > Like all photographs by Anne the ones on this site (almost a thousand > > images) are quite stunning and of great interest to someone like myself > as > > they bring to life the landscape, buildings, places and farmsteads of > this > > area which formerly were just names on the OPRs . Well worth a look if > your > > ancestors came from the Strathbogie area of Aberdeenshire > > > > regards > > George > > -- > > George Brander > > Torre de la Horadada > > España > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

When you say "Aberdeen"....Aberdeen as in the city of, or Aberdeenshire? What info do you have to indicate James is born 1836 or thereabouts? Do you have further info on Elizabeth Lamb and do you know for sure this is his mother? All this helps to try to help you. If you can find Elizabeth on the 1861, why can't she be found on the '51 or '41? Curious.... Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <marilyn.king@optusnet.com.au> To: "ABERDEEN" <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Elizabeth Lamb > Hi All, > I am back after a while away and still looking for information on > Elizabeth > Lamb. > Elizabeth Lamb married James Angus but am unable to find the marriage > anywhere.I would like to be able to find out as much information as I can > on > this family. Their son James was born about 1836 in Aberdeen, Scotland. > Elizabeth Angus appears on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census but prior to > that > I cant find her > > Hoping some one maybe able to help me > Regards > Marilyn > Melbourne Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marina Alexander wrote: > This article found in the Red Deer News (Alberta) Aug 19 1925 may be of > interest to someone. > Wedding bells - Reid-Raffan. > Mr H.W. Reid, who came to Red Deer about a year and a half ago and worked > for a time with Mr J.E. Eversole before buying a farm at Hillsdown was > married in Calgary yesterday to Miss C.M. Raffan, who has just come out from > Huntly in Banffshire, Scotland. Mr Reid also is a Banffshire man, but was > in New Zealand for some years before coming to Canada. He is also a veteran > of the Great War. This may not invalidate the remainder of the information, but Huntly is not now, (nor, so far as I know, has any part of it ever been) in Banffshire. The neighbouring parishes of Gartly, Glass and Cabrach were, until 1891, divided between Aberdeenshire and Banffshire, but Huntly, town and parish, has always belonged to Aberdeenshire. Gavin Bell

Thanks, George, for the link to the photos. My ancestor, George MICHIE, was born in Oyne in 1707. Seeing photos of where he lived makes him more real to me! Venita On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:12 AM, George Brander wrote: > Thanks Gavin for the confirmation of the pronunciation of Oyn. > > Doing some google searches I found this website with some interesting > photographs by Anne Burgess of the old buildings at Oyn and the surrrounding > area of Drumfold ,Smallburn and Sinsharnie > > http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=9916581 > > Like all photographs by Anne the ones on this site (almost a thousand > images) are quite stunning and of great interest to someone like myself as > they bring to life the landscape, buildings, places and farmsteads of this > area which formerly were just names on the OPRs . Well worth a look if your > ancestors came from the Strathbogie area of Aberdeenshire > > regards > George > -- > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This article found in the Red Deer News (Alberta) Aug 19 1925 may be of interest to someone. Wedding bells - Reid-Raffan. Mr H.W. Reid, who came to Red Deer about a year and a half ago and worked for a time with Mr J.E. Eversole before buying a farm at Hillsdown was married in Calgary yesterday to Miss C.M. Raffan, who has just come out from Huntly in Banffshire, Scotland. Mr Reid also is a Banffshire man, but was in New Zealand for some years before coming to Canada. He is also a veteran of the Great War. Kind Regards   Marina

Mary Simpson wrote: > I have a couple of the wonderful booklets from anesfhs for the 1696 > Poll Tax for Old Deer & Longside, and Cruden. Wonderful stuff, but can > somebody tell me what the terms: > > " Grassman " > " Grasswoman " and > " Grassfolk " > > would mean? There are loads of them! Would these people be > cultivating grass for a fodder crop? I.e. hay? And surely this would > only have been a part of the agricultural production. So why would > some be given this specific designation, would they have been perhaps > middlemen or agents obtaining grass / fodder for others? I have never > come upon this term before. I think the deliberate cultivation of grass as a fodder crop was an 18th century invention, along with the use of turnips. The "Concise Scots Dictionary" lists "girseman " ("grassman" would have been someone talking posh!) as: "landless peasant with only rights of pasturage." Gavin Bell

Hi Sandy Couldn't agree more. Maybe I am getting sentimental in my old age or maybe its because it is the New Year but I was quite moved to see Anne's photographs of what is left of the buildings at Oyne or Een where my Branders lived, worked and had children around 250 years ago. Most of the photos of the area on that website have some association with either my family or my wife's. This summer we are to leave the heat,sun and beaches of Torre de la Horadada to the visiting Madrilenos for the month of August and spend the whole month in Scotland. We have actually booked to stay a week at what is termed the Factor's House at Smallburn so I will be thinking of your namesake Sandy Mellis and his father and mother John and Margaret who were at Smallburn at the 1841 census and as we approach Curbrothack we will remember John Brander and his wife Jean Mellis who had a child there in 1756, one of the witnesses being George Mellis in Curbrothack. The following week we are to be staying in a fisherman's cottage in Old Sandend just a few doors along from where my Brander family lived for about 90 years in the 1800s but on the way there no doubt we will be looking for Raemore and Redmoss farms where my wife's family lived. regards George On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:11 AM, sandy mellis <cluny1@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Hi George, > A great website showing some of the farms my ancestors lived in e.g. > Drumfold, Smallburn and Sinsharnie. > Anne Burgess has done a wonderful job in recording the old buildings. > Having grown up in Aberdeenshire I have seen so many old buildings knocked > down and used for road fill etc. I hope her work continues in other areas. > Researching Mellis, Duncan and Harper. > Sandy Mellis > N.S.W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> > To: "Aberdeen" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:12 AM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re Oyn or Een, Cairnie by Huntly > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

I have a couple of the wonderful booklets from anesfhs for the 1696 Poll Tax for Old Deer & Longside, and Cruden. Wonderful stuff, but can somebody tell me what the terms: " Grassman " " Grasswoman " and " Grassfolk " would mean? There are loads of them! Would these people be cultivating grass for a fodder crop? I.e. hay? And surely this would only have been a part of the agricultural production. So why would some be given this specific designation, would they have been perhaps middlemen or agents obtaining grass / fodder for others? I have never come upon this term before. Not a wright but interesting anyway, Mary If I have asked this question before, please accept my apologies.

Hi George, A great website showing some of the farms my ancestors lived in e.g. Drumfold, Smallburn and Sinsharnie. Anne Burgess has done a wonderful job in recording the old buildings. Having grown up in Aberdeenshire I have seen so many old buildings knocked down and used for road fill etc. I hope her work continues in other areas. Researching Mellis, Duncan and Harper. Sandy Mellis N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> To: "Aberdeen" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:12 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re Oyn or Een, Cairnie by Huntly

The term "wright" is the older word, and implies a worker in materials (not neccessarily wood, though this predominates, even with Woodwrights who were the men who cut wood in the forests), such as shipwright, millwright, wheelwright. There was even the terms Glasswright and Landwright. Workers in metals usually are desgnated -smith, e.g. tinsmith, blacksmith, whitesmith, silversmith, goldsmith; and stoneworkers are usually masons, quarriers, causewaymakers, sett makers/cutters. Gradually all the old terms have been phased out, with all woodworkers nowadays being either(or both) joiners and carpenters. A late friend of mine trained as a millwright, and ended up building houses, doing all the trades (including plumbing, electrical, etc.) by himself and his apprentice. Gordon.