These names are examples of parents naming their children after famous people. There is plenty of information on the web about Richard Cobden and John Bright. e.g. In 1837 Richard Cobden became a member of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce and joined Thomas Potter and John Shuttleworth in the agitation that resulted in Manchester achieving a democratically elected local council. In 1838 Cobden was one if the first men to be elected as a Manchester alderman. In October 1837, Joseph Hume, Francis Place and John Roebuck formed the Anti-Corn Law Association in London. The following year Cobden joined with Archibald Prentice to establish a branch of this organisation in Manchester. In 1839 Cobden and the Manchester Anti-Corn Law Association presented a petition to Parliament. With four-fifths of all MPs representing rural constituencies it soon became clear to Cobden that petitions in themselves would not achieve the repeal of the Corn Laws. In March 1839 Cobden was instrumental in establishing a new centralized Anti-Corn Law League. Cobden was now able to organize a national campaign in favour of reform. Cobden recruited a number of talented speakers to the movement, the most important of which was John Bright, who at that time was Britain's most successful orators John

Goldie wrote *"Sometimes I wish I lived someplace else because some folks seem to have such an easy time finding info and I seem to search forever and come up empty."* I just wish that I could get to a reference library where I could consult books in English! I have said to many friends that the only things I miss by living in Spain are Marks and Spencer, Tesco at Christmas, Waterstones or Borders book stores and now I will add "access to a good reference library." I must say however that Canadian, USA and Australian libraries are very good at digitising old books and placing them on line for folk like myself to consult. regards George -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

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MISS ADELINE MARTIN wrote: > Hi I want to thank everyone who commented on my query about the odd > name of Cobden as it it now sending my research in a different > direction. I thought that the Bright Frost part of her name was > because she was born in Jan. and it may have been a bright frosty day > but after reading Wikipedia and John Cobden who was a merchant, > there may be a connection some where along the line as my Cobden's > father was also a general merchant according to her D.C. John Cobden may well have been a merchant, but I doubt if your ancestor was called after him. *Richard* Cobden was a Member of Parliament, and one of his fellow MPs was John Bright, and the two of them are chiefly famous as the leaders of the "Anti Corn Law League" and supporters of the economic doctrine of Free Trade, so your ancestor's forenames are a statement of her parents' political allegiance. Incidentally, "general merchant" was what we would call a shopkeeper. Gavin Bell

a general query to all listers as anyone had dealings/problems with the Aberdeen City council (they have a website) re cemetery lookups? i sent a money order to them for a search in April, 2009. it was cashed in July, 2009 and despite TWO emails since September of 2009, no one replies to acknowledge my concerns/request Schani Biermann, canada

I had loan of a few books from an Ontario library and went thru them. I did find quite a few good stories, and I enjoyed the books immensely. I did a purge yesterday and lost the name of the family you are looking for. I took some notes but of course focused on the Walker family. I will go thru my notes and see if I have anything on yours. Also someone sent me the Lloyd's of London site where I was able to find some info on some of the ships. Another kind lady had a CD with names of sailors on it from 1851 and she sent all the Walkers.... Sometimes I wish I lived someplace else because some folks seem to have such an easy time finding info and I seem to search forever and come up empty. I chuckle to myself and say "Well, Goldie, by now they are dead for sure".....not much other course to take. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Broekmann" <lawmen@iafrica.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > Hi Goldie, > > Seems a somewhat daunting task but - I agree - let's give it a go. I'll > look out for John Walker too. Interesting that we are both looking at > around 1860. > > Thanks to Laura for the (hopefully) useful URLs. > > Steve > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Goldie, Seems a somewhat daunting task but - I agree - let's give it a go. I'll look out for John Walker too. Interesting that we are both looking at around 1860. Thanks to Laura for the (hopefully) useful URLs. Steve

Richard COBDEN and John BRIGHT were responsible for the formation of the Anti Corn Law League in the 1838 with a view to promoting free trade and peace. Wikipedia goes into a lot more detail. Steve -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: 06 January 2010 22:59 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ODD CHRISTIAN NAME 2010/1/6 MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the > Christian name of > Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it > was a misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 > she is female and in 1871 she is listed as female patient in the > insane asylum. I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that > was even more surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard > born Jan. 19,1847 King Edward, Aberdeen. Knowing things are not always > right with Ancestry and LDS sites I pulled up the Death Reg. from > Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was Cobden,the sad > part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. I wonder has > anyone else ever heard of this name. > _______________________ Hi Adeline An interesting name which I will include in my website because the IGI shows up to 17 of them. Apart from yours, all the others were male, born in England, including a Cobden Bright SUGGETT born in Manchester in 1845. There must be some reason for this combination of forenames but I can't find it. About half are LDS entries and so a bit suspect. Cobden is almost certainly the transferred use of the surname which is itself from the habitation name which occurs in Devon and in Derbyshire. The meaning is from Old English for "Cobba's hill". Cobba was a personal name believed to be from Old Norse for "lump" and hence signifying a large man. I think this is taking a certain leap of faith in the meanings!! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP ********************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I want to thank everyone who commented on my query about the odd name of Cobden as it it now sending my research in a different direction. I thought that the Bright Frost part of her name was because she was born in Jan. and it may have been a bright frosty day but after reading Wikipedia and John Cobden who was a merchant, there may be a connection some where along the line as my Cobden's father was also a general merchant according to her D.C.   Adeline

2010/1/6 MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the > Christian name of > Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it was a > misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 she is > female and in 1871 she is listed as female patient in the insane asylum. > I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that was even more > surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard born Jan. 19,1847 > King Edward, Aberdeen. > Knowing things are not always right with Ancestry and LDS sites I pulled > up the Death Reg. from Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was > Cobden,the sad part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. > I wonder has anyone else ever heard of this name. > _______________________ Hi Adeline An interesting name which I will include in my website because the IGI shows up to 17 of them. Apart from yours, all the others were male, born in England, including a Cobden Bright SUGGETT born in Manchester in 1845. There must be some reason for this combination of forenames but I can't find it. About half are LDS entries and so a bit suspect. Cobden is almost certainly the transferred use of the surname which is itself from the habitation name which occurs in Devon and in Derbyshire. The meaning is from Old English for "Cobba's hill". Cobba was a personal name believed to be from Old Norse for "lump" and hence signifying a large man. I think this is taking a certain leap of faith in the meanings!! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Ron and Laura Bozzay wrote: > Here are some links pertinent to maritime law. Having said that, not > everyone complies with laws as they are written and they vary from > location to location. Also it appears the laws vary if you are a > seaman(woman) in the military vs commerical ventures vs. pleasure > crafts. Some links are US specific. Others are not. I have tried > to but UK and Australia links toward top since they started the > query... A quick look at some of the "UK" links shows the authors of them apparently unaware of the fact that what applies in England does not appliy in Scotland. The basic rule of thumb is that the death of any British mariner at sea should be reported to the Registrars in the country where he was normally resident. For Scottish marine deaths, the relevant authority is therefore the Registrar General for Scotland, and information on the relevant records is available on the Scotlandspeople website: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&404 Gavin Bell

I have a similar query to Goldie's regarding the reporting of deaths at sea.. I am interested in Captain William Stephen (born in Peterhead) who reputedly fell overboard and drowned near Madagascar on 24 December 1861. I have trolled various newspapers - The Times, Cape Argus etc - and visited the National Archives in Cape Town all to no avail. I cannot find a record of an inquest or an estate. As he was supposedly the captain, presumably a report should have been made by his 2IC. I hope someone has some suggestions about where to look. Gavin, thanks for your comments on the pronunciation of Peterhead. Steve

The name Cobden appears as a surname on a headstone inscription within St Peter's Churchyard, Peterhead erected to the memory of William Gibson and his wife Margaret Cobden, although at the time of their marriage on 11 June 1804 at Old Deer the spelling was then clearly as Cobban. Alison ________________________________ From: MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010 17:33:07 Subject: [ABERDEEN] ODD CHRISTIAN NAME Hi I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the Christian name of Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it was a misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 she is female and in 1871 she is listed as female  patient in the insane asylum. I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that was even more surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard born Jan. 19,1847 King Edward, Aberdeen. Knowing things are not always right with Ancestry  and LDS sites I pulled up the Death Reg. from Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was Cobden,the sad part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. I wonder has anyone else ever heard of this name.   Adeline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MISS ADELINE MARTIN wrote: > Hi > I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the Christian name of > Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it was a misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 she is female and in 1871 she is listed as female patient in the insane asylum. > I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that was even more surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard born Jan. 19,1847 King Edward, Aberdeen. > Knowing things are not always right with Ancestry and LDS sites I pulled up the Death Reg. from Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was Cobden,the sad part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. > I wonder has anyone else ever heard of this name. Never heard of it. But I know someone who would be interested to hear of it, namely Ray Hennessy, who runs the Scottish Forenames website at: http://www.whatsinaname.net/ I suggest you send him a message. Gavin Bell

Just for fun I googled Cobden Bright and there was an interesting article in Wikipedia. Jim & Gwen MacLean Cruickshank "Do not hesitate to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it." Hebrews 13:2 -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: January 6, 2010 2:59 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ODD CHRISTIAN NAME 2010/1/6 MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have been researching a distant in-law family and came across the > Christian name of > Cobden that I have never seen or heard of before and thought that it was a > misspelling. In Ancestry Census 1851 she is a male, in the 1861 she is > female and in 1871 she is listed as female patient in the insane asylum. > I then went to LDS to see what her name was and that was even more > surprising as it was down as Cobden Bright Frost Gerrard born Jan. 19,1847 > King Edward, Aberdeen. > Knowing things are not always right with Ancestry and LDS sites I pulled > up the Death Reg. from Scotlandspeople and lo and behold her name really was > Cobden,the sad part being that she died age 28 at the insane asylum. > I wonder has anyone else ever heard of this name. > _______________________ Hi Adeline An interesting name which I will include in my website because the IGI shows up to 17 of them. Apart from yours, all the others were male, born in England, including a Cobden Bright SUGGETT born in Manchester in 1845. There must be some reason for this combination of forenames but I can't find it. About half are LDS entries and so a bit suspect. Cobden is almost certainly the transferred use of the surname which is itself from the habitation name which occurs in Devon and in Derbyshire. The meaning is from Old English for "Cobba's hill". Cobba was a personal name believed to be from Old Norse for "lump" and hence signifying a large man. I think this is taking a certain leap of faith in the meanings!! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP ********************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Broekmann > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:40 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > > report should have been made by his 2IC. "2IC"~ would have been the First Mate of civilian ship and/or boat. [RN & Commonwealth Navies = Executive Officer / XO, although crew would have referred to him as Number 1 or Jimmy] Toni

Here are some links pertinent to maritime law. Having said that, not everyone complies with laws as they are written and they vary from location to location. Also it appears the laws vary if you are a seaman(woman) in the military vs commerical ventures vs. pleasure crafts. Some links are US specific. Others are not. I have tried to but UK and Australia links toward top since they started the query... http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/BMD.htm http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKDeathsAtSea.html http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/general-introduction/research-guide-a3-tracing-family-history-from-maritime-records http://www.aamh.asn.au/news/0081.pdf http://www.freewebs.com/maritime-history-2nd-edidtion/chaptereleven.htm http://www.usmm.org/contact.html http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/codes.html#US http://www.mlaus.org/article.ihtml?id=460&folder=90 http://www.sbic.com/pdfs/marcomcat/uslh_primer.pdf good luck! Laura -----Original Message----- >From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >Sent: Jan 6, 2010 2:30 PM >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > >What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any of this information? >I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? >Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this.....I guess what Steve and I do is start at the top and work our way thru.......let's go Steve..... Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > Here are some links pertinent to maritime law. Having said that, not > everyone complies with laws as they are written and they vary from > location to location. > Also it appears the laws vary if you are a seaman(woman) in the military > vs commerical ventures vs. pleasure crafts. Some links are US specific. > Others are not. I have tried to but UK and Australia links toward top > since they started the query... > > http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/BMD.htm > > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKDeathsAtSea.html > > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/general-introduction/research-guide-a3-tracing-family-history-from-maritime-records > > http://www.aamh.asn.au/news/0081.pdf > > http://www.freewebs.com/maritime-history-2nd-edidtion/chaptereleven.htm > > http://www.usmm.org/contact.html > > http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/codes.html#US > > http://www.mlaus.org/article.ihtml?id=460&folder=90 > > http://www.sbic.com/pdfs/marcomcat/uslh_primer.pdf > > good luck! > > Laura > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> >>Sent: Jan 6, 2010 2:30 PM >>To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors >> >>What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story that >>the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is correct) >>were required to record the deaths. But what happened when the ship was >>lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being found and towed to >>the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen Victoria.......but what >>of her crew? Is there any way to find any of this information? >>I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it gives >>the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are for sure? >>Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the Alert wintered, the >>son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? >>Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any of this information? I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie