Thank you, Alison. Much appreciated. Nancy On 9-Jan-10, at 4:06 PM, Alison Kennedy wrote: > Nancy > > I have reproduced the parts of the newspaper articles which I trust > are of some assistance to you: > > > From The Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, October 9, 1861 > > ............The Alert left Peterhead for the Straits on the 18th > May, 1860, and sighted the ice on June 8. On July 27, a boat was > capsized following a fish, and two of the crew, Burnett and > Mitchell, were never seen after being pitched out of the > boat........ The names of the men dead are – ................. > William Burnett, Strichen, drowned by the upsetting of a boat, 27th > July 1860; ............. > From The Buchan Observer, Friday, September 21, 1866 > > ARRIVAL FROM CUMBERLAND STRAITS – .............. The “Alert” left > the fishing ground on the 11th August, and experienced very heavy > weather in her passage up to the 5th Sept., and reports having > spoken the “Dublin” on the 10th August with one fish, about 8 tons. > Wm. McPherson, mate of the “Dublin,” had died of consumption on the > 20th June, and a seaman belonging to her, named James Burnett, who > had been taken ill, and was coming home by the “Alert,” died several > days before she arrived, and his corpse was brought to > Peterhead ............... > > > Alison > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nancy Visima <nvisima@rogers.com> > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 9 January, 2010 19:24:21 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > > Goldie, is there any mention of James or William BURNETT in the story > of the Alert? These two brothers both died aboard the Alert, William > on 27 Jul 1860 and James on 11 Sep 1866. > > Nancy > > On 6-Jan-10, at 3:30 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > >> What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story >> that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is >> correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when >> the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being >> found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen >> Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any >> of this information? >> I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it >> gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are >> for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the >> Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? >> Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I have Cummings in Morayshire too. It is not that uncommon a name in the area. However I think you need to check your names.Are you sure Elizabeth isn't Mary below? It is the only marriage match on Scotlandpeople for the surnames Cumming and Garden . I found this No    Year    Surname (M)    Forename (M)    Surname (F)    Forename (F)    District    City/County/MR    GROS Data 1    1862    CUMMING    JOHN            GARDEN    MARY    OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH    ABERDEEN/ABERDEEN    168/02 0280   Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Fri, 8/1/10, Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> wrote: From: Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> Subject: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 19:55 to all listers anyone researching this unusual surname? i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD can find nothing else! any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Goldie, is there any mention of James or William BURNETT in the story of the Alert? These two brothers both died aboard the Alert, William on 27 Jul 1860 and James on 11 Sep 1866. Nancy On 6-Jan-10, at 3:30 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story > that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is > correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when > the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being > found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen > Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any > of this information? > I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it > gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are > for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the > Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? > Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I thought I should name the other sailors aboard the 'Alert' which was due back when the whaling season was over in 1860, but got caught in the ice and had to winter in the north. The dead are: John MITCHELL, New Deer d 27 July 1860, W, BURNETT, Strichen, d 27 Jul 1860; John WALKER, Peterhead, 11 Nov 1860; John McKENZIE, Portknockie d 13 Dec 1860, Wm McKENZIE, Peterhead d 24 Apr 1861; Peter CAMPBELL, Sutherlandshire d 30 May 1861; Alexr. PICKARD, Longside, d 3 Jun 1861, Pobt. MILNE, Carpenter, Peterhead d 25 Jun 1861; Wm NICOL, Peterhead d 31 July 1861. I hope someone else gets some help from this info. Goldie

Nancy you will have to email me direct, both emails have bounced. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Visima" <nvisima@rogers.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > Goldie, is there any mention of James or William BURNETT in the story > of the Alert? These two brothers both died aboard the Alert, William > on 27 Jul 1860 and James on 11 Sep 1866. > > Nancy > > On 6-Jan-10, at 3:30 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > >> What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story >> that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is >> correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when >> the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being >> found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen >> Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any >> of this information? >> I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it >> gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are >> for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the >> Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? >> Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Capt was Mr. Forbes MILNE, and the article or another source said he had no ticket. I think you had better have the full story.....I will email direct......the answer to the question you asked is 'yes, there is ONE', Wm Burnett, Strichen died 27 Jul 1860. In part the story reads, "Barnet and Mitchell were both pitched out of the boat when it was upset by a whale and not seen again." On the list of the dead it gives his name and date of death. I'll get you the info off line........I guess the message here is that some of the lost sailors do get reported. But, I have never found all of mine and cannot be sure the ones I did find belong to this Walker family. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Visima" <nvisima@rogers.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors > Goldie, is there any mention of James or William BURNETT in the story > of the Alert? These two brothers both died aboard the Alert, William > on 27 Jul 1860 and James on 11 Sep 1866. > > Nancy > > On 6-Jan-10, at 3:30 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > >> What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea? I heard a story >> that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is >> correct) were required to record the deaths. But what happened when >> the ship was lost as the Resolute was? I have the story of it being >> found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen >> Victoria.......but what of her crew? Is there any way to find any >> of this information? >> I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it >> gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are >> for sure? Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the >> Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? >> Anyone with any ideas? Thanks, Goldie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Below is a link to information re Cumming. My mother was a Cumming and whilst its not one of the more common surnames there are still more than enough to give you headaches when researching. http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclancumming.htm Andy ----- Original Message ----- > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in > Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her > father's ROD > > can find nothing else! > > any help would be appreciated > > Schani Biermann, canada >

GRACE MCBEAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 24 JUL 1852 Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland Married a William CUMMING who was a combmaker. The two did not lasy very long - he went to Angus with one son and remarried. Grace waited until 1892 to remarry. Any connections? Cam McBain ________________________________ From: Andy Candlish <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 6:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING Hi Below is a link to information re Cumming.  My mother was a Cumming and whilst its not one of the more common surnames there are still more than enough to give you headaches when researching. http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclancumming.htm Andy ----- Original Message ----- > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in > Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her > father's ROD > > can find nothing else! > > any help would be appreciated > > Schani Biermann, canada > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Schani Biermann wrote: > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? It's not as unusual as all that. The current Aberdeen telephone directory shows about the same number of CUMMINGs as BELLs. That said, it is probably commoner in NE Scotland than elsewhere. A table based on the incidence of Surnames in the 1901 Census (http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files1/stats/01surnames_tablea5.pdf) lists CUMMING as 154th in order of frequency. Its neighbours in the list include BAXTER, MAXWELL, McLACHLAN, STEPHEN and WEBSTER. Gavin Bell

2010/1/8 Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> wrote: > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > I have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD > > can find nothing else! _____________________________________________ Hi Schani The half brother of one of Sheena's grandfathers had the name John Cumming SMITH. His mother was unmarried and didn't name the father although the use of CUMMING as a middle name is intriguing. It doesn't occur anywhere else on the family tree!. Not much help but equally frustrating! There is no record on the IGI nor on Scotland's People of a marriage of Elizabeth GARDEN to a _____ CUMMING in the period 1855-1870 in the whole of Scotland. I used Soundex so even a re-spelling should have been found. Why do you think they were "married in Old Machar ca 1862? What evidence is there? There are other ways in which a couple can be deemed to be married in Scotland but by 1862 they were still supposed to register the marriage, however irregular it may have been. [Gavin Bell can explain if you need to know.] Without knowing your evidence, it is difficult to research the people. For instance maybe Elizabeth was illegitimate and took her mother's surname. Hence she can appear as Elizabeth CUMMING, daughter, on Her father's death certificate without having to be married. Questions it would help to have answers for include: a] What was her father's name? b] When did he die and at what age? c] How old was she on any census? d] Have you found her on any/all census records? e] Was she at home with her father on any census? f] Presumably there is no OPR record of her birth? And so on. Trying to help! -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

167 entries for Elizabeth Cumming (or variant) in the 1881 census for northern Scotland (51 in Aberdeen(shire) area). When was she born? I don't know the origins of the name, but the person who immediately comes to mind is Alan Cumming (actor etc) who grew up in Carnoustie in Angus. More info here : http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001086/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cumming and his own site doesn't work too well for me - you might have better luck http://www.alancumming.com/ HTH Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Schani Biermann Sent: 08 January 2010 19:56 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING to all listers anyone researching this unusual surname? i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD can find nothing else! any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CUMMING......Cairnie parish - John Cumming in this parish and Margaret McCombie, upon a line from the Mortlach parish were proclaimed here May 10 1760. Cairnie and Gartly parishes are not far apart, so the lady who had one in Gartly parish may have the same family. There is a John McCombie in Mortlach at the same time who was a witness to a birth 11 Jul 1763. He was at Coldhome. But there are Cumming's there as well, 1765 Neil McGregor and Janet Cumming in Milltown of Pittyvaich were married. (Pittvaich is very close to Mortlach church, my McGregor's were there in this time frame). There may be more......Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schani Biermann" <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in > Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her > father's ROD > > can find nothing else! > > any help would be appreciated > > Schani Biermann, canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a 2g-grandaunt, Ann MICHAEL, who married a Charles Lennox CUMMING in Gartly in 1846. They had 2 daughters - Ann born c. 1849 and Jane born c. 1853. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schani Biermann" <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in > Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her > father's ROD > > can find nothing else! > > any help would be appreciated > > Schani Biermann, canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/08/10 07:35:00

There are Cumming's who showed up in Morlach parish BAN., and someone is my GGGgrandmother's tree married one.......I'll dig......I think Carinie parish, ABD off the top of my head. And I also saw Cumming in Peterhead on the last 2 films I did, but not many. I never took them down because I had given up on that extended line. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schani Biermann" <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING > to all listers > > anyone researching this unusual surname? > > i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in > Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her > father's ROD > > can find nothing else! > > any help would be appreciated > > Schani Biermann, canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

to all listers anyone researching this unusual surname? i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD can find nothing else! any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, canada

Hi Marilyn > Also I cant read where James came from but it looks like Colliehill Parish > of Bo....... This is probably Colliehill, Parish of Bourtie (Aberdeenshire) > However according to the 1861 Census there is Elizabeth Angus head a > crofter > James Angus 24 > Jane Angus 24 > Jane Angus 1 > Forbes Angus 2 > I automatically assumed that this Elizabeth was James Motherpeople have > searched for me as have I and there is no marriage between a Forbes Angus > and Elizabeth Lamb? Curiously James is described as a Lodger on the 1861 census rather than son. Have you looked at the actual census image to see if there are any clues? Have you looked for a baptism for a James LAMB? Its possible the parents were not married and its certainly not unusual for a person to adopt their reputed fathers surname? Also have you found James in any other census than 1861 to confirm his birth location (and age) as St Nicholas, Aberdeen? Andy

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Goldie - if you're focused on the WALKER family, perhaps you can help with a connection to my BODIE line. The following family is somewhat speculative, having been derived from OPR entries that only MAYBE are properly connected together. Alexander WALKER m. Elisabeth HUNTER (1773-1853) 1. Mary (1801- ) m. 1826 in Chapel of Garioch to William SIVEWRIGHT (1792-1871) 2. Margaret (1802- ) m. 1829 in Chapel of Garioch to John WATT ( - ) 3. Alexander (1804- ) 4. Agnes (1805-1893) m. 1830 in Chapel of Garioch to Charles BODIE (1813-1874) 5. Robert (1810-1891) m. 1839 in Chapel of Garioch to Mary REID (1808-1895) 6. John (1812-1854) Agnes, and husband Charles, are my 3rd great grandparents. I'm pretty sure about that couple but not so confident about the rest of this "family". In 1841 Agnes & Charles lived in Inverurie and in 1881 they lived in Marnoch (Banffshire). Are they people you know something about? Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:40:54 -0800 From: "goldie and Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> I had loan of a few books from an Ontario library and went thru them. I did find quite a few good stories, and I enjoyed the books immensely. I did a purge yesterday and lost the name of the family you are looking for. I took some notes but of course focused on the Walker family. <SNIP> Goldie

Hi All, I am hoping some one maybe able to help me with this elusive ancestor of mine According to my Grt Grt GrandFather James Angus when he married Jane Forbes in 1858 it has that His father was Forbes Angus a crofter and his Mother was Elizabeth nee Lamb and that she was deceased. However according to the 1861 Census there is Elizabeth Angus head a crofter James Angus 24 Jane Angus 24 Jane Angus 1 Forbes Angus 2 I automatically assumed that this Elizabeth was James Motherpeople have searched for me as have I and there is no marriage between a Forbes Angus and Elizabeth Lamb? Also I cant read where James came from but it looks like Colliehill Parish of Bo....... Hope some one can shed some light on this Elizabeth for me Regards Marilyn Australia

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