Karen, thanks for your reply to my query i think i have the mystery thanks to all the kind people who replied i am going to get this record via Scotslandpeople to obtain the parents' names thanks agian Regards, Schani ----- Original Message ----- From: <genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING to all listers anyone researching this unusual surname? i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD can find nothing else! any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, canada >>>>>I have Cummings in Morayshire too. It is not that uncommon a name in >>>>>the area. And indeed I have an Irish couple marrying in Scotland and >>>>>the Groom's Mother was down as Cumming on the marriage cert when in >>>>>fact it was Cummane. The Minister just put down what he thought he >>>>>heard. Anyway I digress. However I think you need to check your names.Are you sure Elizabeth isn't Mary ?See below. It is the only marriage match on the whole of Scotlandspeople , all years searched , for the surnames Cumming and Garden and it comes up with 1862 which you had too. I found this No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District City/County/MR GROS Data 1 1862 CUMMING JOHN GARDEN MARY OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH ABERDEEN/ABERDEEN 168/02 0280 Maybe that's why you can't find them !! Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ralph Smith wrote: > IS THERE ANYONE THERE !!!!!!!. > > Does any person have any info on the above Woods family > > James Wood and George Wood were twins born in Torry Aberdeen in Jan > 1841. What is your source for this information? Torry did not become part of Aberdeen until the end of the 19th century, after the former estuary of the River Dee had been reclaimed, and the Victoria Bridge built. In 1841 it would have been considered as part of the parish of Nigg, Kincardineshire, and any births there would be recorded in the OPRs for Nigg, not in the records for Aberdeen. Gavin Bell

My family interests are on my mother's family. Her family line I have so far - Margaret McMann born Mill of Glanderstone Premnay 1875 died South Australia 1959 Father William McMann B. Dufftown Banffshire abt 1830 - died 1893, Insch, Aberdeenshire Mother Anne Mavor 1832 Glass, Aberdeenshire George Mavor abt 1798, Isobel Allan B. abt 1802 Cairnie, Aberdeenshire Granny Margaret McMann married Alexander McRobb( Insch 1897) who was born 1872 Middleton, Premnay.died South Australia 1943. Father Alexander McRobb Edingarioch not married to Margaret Smith ABT 1855 Premnay, Aberdeenshire. Margaret Smith married Henry Laing in November 1875 and had 10 more children who would have been half siblings to my grandfather. Henry Laing was with his grandmother Helen Mortimer as an 11 yr old in 1861 census Gf Alexander McRobb is listed as a lodger with the Laings in the 1881 census All info is from a mix of Ancestry and Scotlands People. I would be interested in finding any other people who have been researching any of these families. My mother thought that some female on the Mavor line had come from Ireland. Thank you, Denise

IS THERE ANYONE THERE !!!!!!!. Does any person have any info on the above Woods family James Wood and George Wood were twins born in Torry Aberdeen in Jan 1841. There were the following Family Margaret Cormack Wood married a Alexander Tait in 1902. She had 2 sisters Jean and Helen and a brother Alexander. Any info would be gratefully received. Ralph

Hi Jim, Yes, this is indeed my family! My gt gt gt grandfather was Mary Brown PICKARD's brother William, b 13 November 1831. If you have further information on William and Elizabeth's children I would love to learn more about them - this is not an area of the family I have really explored yet. You can contact me directly at medionemeton@blueyonder.co.uk Louise > Hi Louise, > My gt.gt.gt. Grandmother was Mary Brown Pickard she was > the daughter of William Pickard > and Elizabeth Lillie Brown you say that you are connected to Pickard's > from that area if that is the case then you have the same Pickard's there > were a lot of Pickard's in the North East but they are all connected. > > Jim

Sorry there was an error in my previous message - the son George was baptised 1797 and not 1787 as typed George On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM, George Brander <george.brander@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Denise > Your mention of the Mavor family at Glass caught my eye. I have a note of a > number of Old Parish Register entries for William Mavor and Isobel Brander. > They were married at Glass in 1786 and then had 5 daughters, one every two > years, until at last in 1787 they had a son George. This is a note of the > OPRs > > *GLASS OPRs* > > *July 22 1786* > > *William Mavor and Isobel Brander both in this parish were matrimonially > contracted and proclaimed July 23, 30 and Aug 6th and married at Glass > Aug 27 1786* > > * * > > *15th July 1787* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised called Isobel before these witnesses Alexander Brander and > Alexander Louper both in Cairnmore.* > > * * > > *5th May 1789* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised called Elspet before these witnesses George Brander and John > Louper in Cairnmore.* > > * * > > *8th May 1791* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised called Margaret before these witnesses Alexander Brander, James > and Alexr Loupper in Cairnmore* > > * * > > *2nd June 1793* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised called Anne in front of these witnesses George and Alexander > Brander both in Cairnmore.* > > * * > > *7th June 1795* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised called Jean before these witnesses John and George Brander in > Cairnmore.* > > * * > > *4th June 1797* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a son > baptised called George before these witnesses George Wall in Boghead and George > Brander in Cairnmore.* > > * * > > *13th June 1799* > > *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter > baptised and called Isobel before these witnesses Alexander Brander and > William Simpson both Cairnmore.* > > *Note: the first Isabel b 1787 must have died* > > > > There is an earlier Cairnie OPR of the marriage of George Brander and an > Isabel Mavor but there are no records that I can find of any children being > baptised so I have not been able to identify which George Brander this > is.This is a common problem insofar as I have 15 identified George Branders > in my tree and there are a number more in the Huntly area who I have not > been able to pin down. > > > > *CAIRNIE OPR* > > *George Brander and Isobel Mavor both in this Parish contracted November > 5th 1757 consigned Pledges etc.* > > > I hope the above is of assistance > > regards > > George > ** > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Denise <neeseau@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My family interests are on my mother's family. >> Her family line I have so far - >> Margaret McMann born Mill of Glanderstone Premnay 1875 died South >> Australia 1959 >> Father William McMann B. Dufftown Banffshire abt 1830 - died 1893, Insch, >> Aberdeenshire >> Mother Anne Mavor 1832 Glass, Aberdeenshire >> George Mavor abt 1798, Isobel Allan B. abt 1802 Cairnie, Aberdeenshire >> >> Granny Margaret McMann married Alexander McRobb( Insch 1897) who was born >> 1872 Middleton, Premnay.died South Australia 1943. >> Father Alexander McRobb Edingarioch not married to >> Margaret Smith ABT 1855 Premnay, Aberdeenshire. >> >> Margaret Smith married Henry Laing in November 1875 and had 10 more >> children >> who would have been half siblings to my grandfather. >> Henry Laing was with his grandmother Helen Mortimer as an 11 yr old in >> 1861 >> census >> >> Gf Alexander McRobb is listed as a lodger with the Laings in the 1881 >> census >> >> All info is from a mix of Ancestry and Scotlands People. >> I would be interested in finding any other people who have been >> researching >> any of these families. >> My mother thought that some female on the Mavor line had come from >> Ireland. >> Thank you, >> Denise >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Hi Denise Your mention of the Mavor family at Glass caught my eye. I have a note of a number of Old Parish Register entries for William Mavor and Isobel Brander. They were married at Glass in 1786 and then had 5 daughters, one every two years, until at last in 1787 they had a son George. This is a note of the OPRs *GLASS OPRs* *July 22 1786* *William Mavor and Isobel Brander both in this parish were matrimonially contracted and proclaimed July 23, 30 and Aug 6th and married at Glass Aug 27 1786* * * *15th July 1787* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised called Isobel before these witnesses Alexander Brander and Alexander Louper both in Cairnmore.* * * *5th May 1789* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised called Elspet before these witnesses George Brander and John Louper in Cairnmore.* * * *8th May 1791* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised called Margaret before these witnesses Alexander Brander, James and Alexr Loupper in Cairnmore* * * *2nd June 1793* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised called Anne in front of these witnesses George and Alexander Brander both in Cairnmore.* * * *7th June 1795* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised called Jean before these witnesses John and George Brander in Cairnmore.* * * *4th June 1797* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a son baptised called George before these witnesses George Wall in Boghead and George Brander in Cairnmore.* * * *13th June 1799* *William Mavor in Cairnmore with his wife Isobel Brander had a daughter baptised and called Isobel before these witnesses Alexander Brander and William Simpson both Cairnmore.* *Note: the first Isabel b 1787 must have died* There is an earlier Cairnie OPR of the marriage of George Brander and an Isabel Mavor but there are no records that I can find of any children being baptised so I have not been able to identify which George Brander this is.This is a common problem insofar as I have 15 identified George Branders in my tree and there are a number more in the Huntly area who I have not been able to pin down. *CAIRNIE OPR* *George Brander and Isobel Mavor both in this Parish contracted November 5th 1757 consigned Pledges etc.* I hope the above is of assistance regards George ** On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Denise <neeseau@gmail.com> wrote: > My family interests are on my mother's family. > Her family line I have so far - > Margaret McMann born Mill of Glanderstone Premnay 1875 died South > Australia 1959 > Father William McMann B. Dufftown Banffshire abt 1830 - died 1893, Insch, > Aberdeenshire > Mother Anne Mavor 1832 Glass, Aberdeenshire > George Mavor abt 1798, Isobel Allan B. abt 1802 Cairnie, Aberdeenshire > > Granny Margaret McMann married Alexander McRobb( Insch 1897) who was born > 1872 Middleton, Premnay.died South Australia 1943. > Father Alexander McRobb Edingarioch not married to > Margaret Smith ABT 1855 Premnay, Aberdeenshire. > > Margaret Smith married Henry Laing in November 1875 and had 10 more > children > who would have been half siblings to my grandfather. > Henry Laing was with his grandmother Helen Mortimer as an 11 yr old in > 1861 > census > > Gf Alexander McRobb is listed as a lodger with the Laings in the 1881 > census > > All info is from a mix of Ancestry and Scotlands People. > I would be interested in finding any other people who have been researching > any of these families. > My mother thought that some female on the Mavor line had come from Ireland. > Thank you, > Denise > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Hi Louise, My gt.gt.gt. Grandmother was Mary Brown Pickard she was the daughter of William Pickard and Elizabeth Lillie Brown you say that you are connected to Pickard's from that area if that is the case then you have the same Pickard's there were a lot of Pickard's in the North East but they are all connected. Jim

I am also interested in PICKARDS from this area - will need to check if this could also be a relation. Will get back to you on this... Jim, who was your ggg grandmother? Louise > The Alexander Pickard who died aboard the Alert was the brother of my > gt.gt.gt. grandmother > > Jim

Hi Elizabeth Nice to hear from you again - we were last in contact in early 2007 when we exchanged info I don't think that I have added anything new since then Best wishes Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <enpgabriel@aol.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Surname Interests > Hi Susan > > I have a distant relationship to Margaret Wiseman, the mother of Peter > Gatt b 1845 in Pennan; she is a 2nd cousin 4x removed. > > Any use? > > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Happy New Year to all listers - whilst the list is quiet & some of us in the UK are snowed in I see an opportunity to kick start some new family research. Is anyone else researching the following families? They are all my husband's 2x great grandparents Would love to contact any distant relations & share information. Alexander WISEMAN 1836 - 1901 son of John Wiseman & Christian ALLAN married in Peterhad in 1862 to Isabella MURISON 1841 - 1913 dau of Arthur Murison & Elizabeth ANDERSON William DICK b Aberdour 1841 son of John DICK & Ann GILL married 1863 to Jessie STEPHEN b 1834 in Aberdour dau of Alexander Stephen & Elizabeth RANKIN Aleander WEST b Pennan 1851 son of George West & Elishea Gordon BRUCE married in Aberdour 1871 Mary DUNCAN b Pitsligo 1850 dau of James Duncan & Jean BUCHAN Peter GATT b Pennan 1845 son of Peter Gatt & Elizabeth WISEMAN married 1873 in Pennan to Margaret GATT b Pennan 1855 dau of James Gatt & Helen PIRIE Charles LAWRENCE b Lonmay 1834 son of Charles Lawrence & Janet WILLOX married in Longside 1858 to Jessie ROSS b 1828 dau of James ROSS & Elizabeth BROWN John SMITH b 1848 Old Deer son of John Smith & Christian WATSON married 1869 in Old Deer to Jane FARQUHAR b 1844 Old Deer dau of William Farquhar & Isabella SMITH Joseph ANDERSON b 1836 in rathen son of William ANDERSON & Elisabeth SCOTT married 1860 to Ann GAVIN b 1839 in Old Deer dau of James GAVIN & Elizabeth PIRIE George MILNE b Lonmay 1856 son of James Milne & Eleonora BROWN married1877 to Christian WATT b 1848 in Longside dau of John WATT & Mary MACKENZIE Looking forward to finding new connections Best wishes Susan

I had 2 films of OPR's on Peterhead and only took down the ones relative to the Walker or Anderson families. But one of the Walkers married Thos MORRISON, and in case of spelling I did gather some MURISON's. I'll give you what I have and you can deal with it. MARRIAGE. 1840 6 Aug, John McGregor, joiner, and Barbara James Murison in Peterhead. 13 Mar 1842 John McGregor joiner in Peterhead had a daughter born 5 Mar baptised and named Margaret before Wm Robertson and Andrew Arthur. 14 Sept1843 son named John, same witnesses 20 Jun 1846 daughter named Barbara James, witnesses Jas McLean and Andrew Arthur. ** This is all I have. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Wiseman" <susan.wiseman45@ntlworld.com> To: <ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:33 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Surname Interests > > Hi All > Happy New Year to all listers - whilst the list is quiet & some of us in > the UK are snowed in I see an opportunity to kick start some new family > research. > Is anyone else researching the following families? They are all my > husband's 2x great grandparents > Would love to contact any distant relations & share information. > > Alexander WISEMAN 1836 - 1901 son of John Wiseman & Christian ALLAN > married in Peterhad in 1862 to > Isabella MURISON 1841 - 1913 dau of Arthur Murison & Elizabeth ANDERSON > > William DICK b Aberdour 1841 son of John DICK & Ann GILL > married 1863 to > Jessie STEPHEN b 1834 in Aberdour dau of Alexander Stephen & Elizabeth > RANKIN > > Aleander WEST b Pennan 1851 son of George West & Elishea Gordon BRUCE > married in Aberdour 1871 > Mary DUNCAN b Pitsligo 1850 dau of James Duncan & Jean BUCHAN > > Peter GATT b Pennan 1845 son of Peter Gatt & Elizabeth WISEMAN > married 1873 in Pennan to > Margaret GATT b Pennan 1855 dau of James Gatt & Helen PIRIE > > Charles LAWRENCE b Lonmay 1834 son of Charles Lawrence & Janet WILLOX > married in Longside 1858 to > Jessie ROSS b 1828 dau of James ROSS & Elizabeth BROWN > > John SMITH b 1848 Old Deer son of John Smith & Christian WATSON > married 1869 in Old Deer to > Jane FARQUHAR b 1844 Old Deer dau of William Farquhar & Isabella SMITH > > Joseph ANDERSON b 1836 in rathen son of William ANDERSON & Elisabeth SCOTT > married 1860 to > Ann GAVIN b 1839 in Old Deer dau of James GAVIN & Elizabeth PIRIE > > George MILNE b Lonmay 1856 son of James Milne & Eleonora BROWN > married1877 to > Christian WATT b 1848 in Longside dau of John WATT & Mary MACKENZIE > > Looking forward to finding new connections > Best wishes > Susan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Susan I have a distant relationship to Margaret Wiseman, the mother of Peter Gatt b 1845 in Pennan; she is a 2nd cousin 4x removed. Any use? Elizabeth

Alexander Pickard who died aboard the Alert was buried at the Cumberland straits, the story goes that the sailors who did there were buried in barrels. Alexander was the brother of my gt.gt.gt. grandmother. Jim

The Alexander Pickard who died aboard the Alert was the brother of my gt.gt.gt. grandmother Jim

Ann Henry Duncan born 1880 in Ballater, Glenmuick to John Duncan and Jane Coutts. You can find lots more about John Duncan b.25 Dec 1855 in Cabrach at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ . Jane Coutts b. 18 Jan 1849 in Crathie, ABD to Charles Coutts and Christina Mcdonald. Jane died 11 May 1939 and is buried at Boharm (see http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" <shirley.welling@sympatico.ca> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:50 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] NAPIER INFO WANTED > Looking for info on the following people > > > > 1/ NAPIER CHARLES b.1872 m. ANN HENRY DUNCAN 1900 > > > > > > Their children were > > CHARLES JOHN DUNCAN NAPIER > HENRY JOHN NAPIER > JANE ANN COUTTSDUNCAN NAPIER > > ANN NAPIER > Margaret napier > > Marjorie > > > > All from Aberdeenshire Scotland > > > > Also looking for info on > > > > Napier Charles 1872 > > Napier Elizabeth 1876 > > Napier James 1870 > > Napier William > > > > Children of Charles Napier 1849 and Elizabeth Laird 1848 > > > > Many thanks inadvance > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy   I have reproduced the parts of the newspaper articles which I trust are of some assistance to you:     From The Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, October 9, 1861   ............The Alert left Peterhead for the Straits on the 18th May, 1860, and sighted the ice on June 8.  On July 27, a boat was capsized following a fish, and two of the crew, Burnett and Mitchell, were never seen after being pitched out of the boat........ The names of the men dead are – .................  William Burnett, Strichen, drowned by the upsetting of a boat, 27th July 1860; .............  From The Buchan Observer, Friday, September 21, 1866   ARRIVAL FROM CUMBERLAND STRAITS – .............. The “Alert” left the fishing ground on the 11th August, and experienced very heavy weather in her passage up to the 5th Sept., and reports having spoken the “Dublin” on the 10th August with one fish, about 8 tons.  Wm. McPherson, mate of the “Dublin,” had died of consumption on the 20th June, and a seaman belonging to her, named James Burnett, who had been taken ill, and was coming home by the “Alert,” died several days before she arrived, and his corpse was brought to Peterhead ...............     Alison ________________________________ From: Nancy Visima <nvisima@rogers.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 9 January, 2010 19:24:21 Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lost Sailors Goldie, is there any mention of James or William BURNETT in the story  of the Alert? These two brothers both died aboard the Alert, William  on 27 Jul 1860 and James on 11 Sep 1866. Nancy On 6-Jan-10, at 3:30 PM, goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > What happened to the fellows who were lost at sea?  I heard a story  > that the Master's or Captains of the ships, (whichever terminolgy is  > correct) were required to record the deaths.  But what happened when  > the ship was lost as the Resolute was?  I have the story of it being  > found and towed to the east coast of the US, then returned to Queen  > Victoria.......but what of her crew?  Is there any way to find any  > of this information? > I also have the story of the Alert out of Peterhead as well, and it  > gives the names of 8 who died but how do we know who these folks are  > for sure?  Is the John Walker who died on 11 Nov 1860 where the  > Alert wintered, the son of John Walker, Mason, in Peterhead? > Anyone with any ideas?  Thanks, Goldie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret Unfortunately I cannot help you with your John Roy SIM. I have an Albert Roy SIM born 16 November 1888 in Torphins, died 16 January 1979 in Inverurie. He married Catherine Murray RODGERS. Albert's parents are: William SIM and Margaret Ann LAING married 18th June 1881 in Lumphannan. Margaret Ann was born 26th December 1860 in Lumphannan, died 7th May 1939 in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. Margaret Ann's parents are: Peter LAING and Isabella ROY As your John Roy SIM was born in 1868 (only 8 years after Margaret Ann) to George SIM and Margaret ROY, perhaps your Margaret and my Isabella are related? Alex

Looking for info on the following people 1/ NAPIER CHARLES b.1872 m. ANN HENRY DUNCAN 1900 Their children were CHARLES JOHN DUNCAN NAPIER HENRY JOHN NAPIER JANE ANN COUTTSDUNCAN NAPIER ANN NAPIER Margaret napier Marjorie All from Aberdeenshire Scotland Also looking for info on Napier Charles 1872 Napier Elizabeth 1876 Napier James 1870 Napier William Children of Charles Napier 1849 and Elizabeth Laird 1848 Many thanks inadvance

to all listers anyone researching this unusual surname? i have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her father's ROD can find nothing else! any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, canada >>>>>I have Cummings in Morayshire too. It is not that uncommon a name in the area. And indeed I have an Irish couple marrying in Scotland and the Groom's Mother was down as Cumming on the marriage cert when in fact it was Cummane. The Minister just put down what he thought he heard. Anyway I digress. However I think you need to check your names.Are you sure Elizabeth isn't Mary ?See below.  It is the only marriage match on the whole of Scotlandspeople , all years searched , for the surnames Cumming and Garden and it comes up with 1862 which you had too. I found this No    Year    Surname (M)    Forename (M)    Surname (F)    Forename (F)    District    City/County/MR    GROS Data 1    1862    CUMMING    JOHN            GARDEN    MARY    OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH    ABERDEEN/ABERDEEN    168/02 0280 Maybe that's why you can't find them !!   Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You.