Further to my email regarding the Stewart/Stuart/Grant family of Banff who emigrated to Victoria Australia, I also have further information on Helen GRANT b 6 Sep 1817 Banff buried 1910 at Geelong Eastern Cemetery, who married William Stuart in 1848 at Rathven. Please contact me by the list or privately if required. Cheers Joan in NSW, Australia -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 599 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

G'morning listers I have a death on 19 April 1869 at Mortlake, Geelong, Victoria, Australia of William Stewart/Stuart b 1815 Banff who married Helen Grant 21 Dec 1848 at Rathven. Their children were Mary b 1850, Francis [sic] daugher b 1851, William b abt 1855 all Scotland & James b 1857 Geelong, Victoria. If anyone is looking for this family I have more information as I originally thought these to be my Stewart family, but chasing the wrong family. Cheers Joan in NSW, Australia -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 599 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

on census returns (mainly 1841/1851) there is recorded, under occupation 1.. the phrase "Provision Merchant" 2.. the word "Independant" 3.. the phrase "House proprietor" = landlord? Re #2 i figured it meant that the person, especially as applied to a female = "WIDOW or/and a single person, living by "her own means". Of course ", on 1841 census relationships not noted Re #1?. I have a lady, Helen Garden, living on College Street, in Deeside by herself whose occupation was noted as "Provision Merchant Schani Biermann

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Hi All, I have just had a computer crash and lost all my emails I got a lot of help from someone who researched Elizabeth Lamb and the Anguses for me even sent me a photo of the house but I have lost their emails along with all the information they sent me so please if you receive this would you kindly mind resending it all to me again. I thank this list as I have had lots of help but unfortunately have lost all my info but many thanks to you all Looking forward to hearing from those who helped me Kind Regards Marilyn Australia

Basically what you should do is mzke a copy of your gedcom and put it on a disk, a usb drive, or an external hard drive.  To make a copy open up your file and do a save as and then pick another location.  Or drag the file into another location and it should copy.  If someone needs more specific instructions contact me off list.  We spend too much of our lives tracking our relatives, we don't want to loose what we have because of an equipment failure.  Laura ________________________________ From: goldie and Lido Doratti <lidogold2@shaw.ca> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 6:38:34 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Elizabeth Lamb / Angus I'm told by my girls who are 'computer geeks', that all is not lost because the computer crashes; you just need someone with the know-how to find the info.  I hope this is true for you. I often wonder what would happen here if I crashed..and shudder to think about it.  One of our friends has another hard drive and he puts all of his genealogy research on the spare hard drive, then if his regular one crashes, he has the other one with all intack.  But that takes more understanding than I have.......it may make sense to others out there.  Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <marilyn.king@optusnet.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:03 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Elizabeth Lamb / Angus > Hi All, > I have just had a computer crash and lost all my emails I got a lot of > help > from someone who researched Elizabeth Lamb and the Anguses for me even > sent > me a photo of the house but I have lost their emails along with all the > information they sent me so please if you receive this would you kindly > mind > resending it all to me again. > I thank this list as I have had lots of help but unfortunately have lost > all > my info but many thanks to you all > Looking forward to hearing from those  who helped me > Kind Regards > > Marilyn > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm told by my girls who are 'computer geeks', that all is not lost because the computer crashes; you just need someone with the know-how to find the info. I hope this is true for you. I often wonder what would happen here if I crashed..and shudder to think about it. One of our friends has another hard drive and he puts all of his genealogy research on the spare hard drive, then if his regular one crashes, he has the other one with all intack. But that takes more understanding than I have.......it may make sense to others out there. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <marilyn.king@optusnet.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:03 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Elizabeth Lamb / Angus > Hi All, > I have just had a computer crash and lost all my emails I got a lot of > help > from someone who researched Elizabeth Lamb and the Anguses for me even > sent > me a photo of the house but I have lost their emails along with all the > information they sent me so please if you receive this would you kindly > mind > resending it all to me again. > I thank this list as I have had lots of help but unfortunately have lost > all > my info but many thanks to you all > Looking forward to hearing from those who helped me > Kind Regards > > Marilyn > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good for you Gavin, when I read the information you so willingly share, I wonder sometimes if you even take time to sleep at night. You are a wonder!! Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SPITTAL >A recent query by Schani Biermann has alerted me to an error in various > of the online mapping services. The error appears to originate with > TeleAtlas, but as they apparently supply map data to Google and Multimap > (and quite possibly others) the error is widespread. > > It concerns the name of the ancient road which was originally part of > the link between the (formerly separate) towns of Aberdeen and Old > Aberdeen. As its route took it past the mediaeval Leper Hospital, the > street (and the area adjacent to it) took the name of "Spital". The > present-day City of Aberdeen surrounds and includes both of the ancient > towns, but the name of the road persists. > > However, TeleAtlas has managed to confuse "Spital" with "Spital Heyes", > the name of a suburb of Birkenhead, near Liverpool, about 250 miles to > the south. > > I have reported the error to Tele Atlas, but even if they act on my > report, the error is now, thanks to the power of the Web, widespread. > > > Gavin Bell > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A recent query by Schani Biermann has alerted me to an error in various of the online mapping services. The error appears to originate with TeleAtlas, but as they apparently supply map data to Google and Multimap (and quite possibly others) the error is widespread. It concerns the name of the ancient road which was originally part of the link between the (formerly separate) towns of Aberdeen and Old Aberdeen. As its route took it past the mediaeval Leper Hospital, the street (and the area adjacent to it) took the name of "Spital". The present-day City of Aberdeen surrounds and includes both of the ancient towns, but the name of the road persists. However, TeleAtlas has managed to confuse "Spital" with "Spital Heyes", the name of a suburb of Birkenhead, near Liverpool, about 250 miles to the south. I have reported the error to Tele Atlas, but even if they act on my report, the error is now, thanks to the power of the Web, widespread. Gavin Bell

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <marilyn.king@optusnet.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Elizabeth Lamb / Angus > Hi All, > I have just had a computer crash and lost all my emails I got a lot of > help > from someone who researched Elizabeth Lamb and the Anguses for me even > sent > me a photo of the house but I have lost their emails along with all the > information they sent me so please if you receive this would you kindly > mind > resending it all to me again. > I thank this list as I have had lots of help but unfortunately have lost > all > my info but many thanks to you all > Looking forward to hearing from those who helped me > Kind Regards > > Marilyn > Australia How resolutely we believe "This will never happen to me." I avoid the problem by printing (on paper) all messages of significance to me and filing the messages in filing cabinets. I now have 8 of them filled. This was a natural outgrowth of the day when messages were exchanged in envelopes with stamps stuck on them. I am using 2 computers: The first is very fleet of foot (Pentium5) operating with Windows XM which is used solely to connect to the Internet, the second is a slow old 386 operating on DOS 6.0 and it contains my genealogy data, Word Perfect 12 and related antique software. Note that there is no way viruses and other unfriendly invaders can get near my precious data. I communicate between the machines via 3¼ floppies. Even if one did break through, it wouldn't know what to do with DOS 6.0 M Keith Abel

Schani Biermann wrote: > listers > > i am having a problem with locating the place/district/area of > Spittal. I have references to John Garden of "Spittal" or James > Garden, residing in "Spittal" > > can't seem to locate on modern day map/old map of Aberden City > area/Old Machar! Shouldn't be a problem. This is still the name of a street in Aberdeen (although it is more commonly spelled "Spital"). It takes its name from the former Leper Hospital nearby, and is part of the route between the (formerly separate) towns of New and Old Aberdeen. > Any ideas? On checking, I see that both Multimap and Google Maps call it "Spital Heyes", which is nonsense on stilts. In some 17th century records I have been transcribing, the district is referred to as "Spithill", but the "Heyes" bit is pure invention by whoever supplied the mapping to Google and Multimap. Gavin Bell

listers i am having a problem with locating the place/district/area of Spittal. I have references to John Garden of "Spittal" or James Garden, residing in "Spittal" can't seem to locate on modern day map/old map of Aberden City area/Old Machar! Any ideas? Schani

More Cummings info in this program (about half way through) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rv8d Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Schani Biermann Sent: 12 January 2010 18:19 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Witnesses at baptism Marriage thanks to all who replied to my query on CUMMING surname >

2010/1/12 Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> wrote: ... > to break down some more walls i thought i would ask all listers if they > could possibly identify the names below who were witneses at the > baptisms/marriage of my GARDENS living in Old machar/Aberdeen City ca > 1780-1855. > ... > Is it safe to assume that most likely there is some family connection to my > GARDEN family if they were "witnesses". was there any "customary" tradition > in 19th century Scotland when "witnesses" appeared > _______________________________________________ Hi Schani Ther is no common tradition of who should be witnesses to births although some families do have a personal choice. The many ways witnesses can be chosen have been examined on this List in the past. Here are some reasons for choices: a.-- Grandparent[s], e.g. both grandfathers or both grandmothers [sometimes identified as such. b.-- Parent's sibling[s], i.e. uncles & aunts c.-- Distant relative[s] [possibly with hope of inheritance???] d.-- Best friend[s] of one or both parents e.-- Work colleagues f.-- Employer g.-- Minister, Doctor, Kirk Elders, or other local worthy h.-- One parish for a period always had two people with the same forename as the child sometimes with a family connection but not necessarily There are certainly others but these are all I can remember for now. I know this doesn't help you in your search for the link to the witnesses you name but it's as well to be realistic. At a remove of 200 years and so far away, the chances of finding out why witnesses were chosen are vanishingly small. In the period post 1855 of Statuory Registration the witnesses to marriages may be traced through census neighbours and the like, but for OPR records this is not likely. Mind you, like all this adventure we are on, you may be lucky. It is worth continuing to hope that there is a family connection and use it to try to establish grandmotherly surnames and we wish you luck. The OPR entries ususally had the habitation for the witnesses which can often be as much of a clue as the actual name especially for identifying (e) and (f) in the above list. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Hi George, Thank you so much for the MAVOR information. That looks as though it will take them back another generation. It gives me names to follow on Scotlands People. My eldest aunt's name was Anne Mavor McRobb following the naming traditions. Denise

thanks to all who replied to my query on CUMMING surname > broke down a couple of "brick walls" This list is GREAT! to break down some more walls i thought i would ask all listers if they could possibly identify the names below who were witneses at the baptisms/marriage of my GARDENS living in Old machar/Aberdeen City ca 1780-1855. i have some census info (1841/1851) and records from ScotslandPeople to give me some "possibilities" but cannot make a connection Is it safe to assume that most likely there is some family connection to my GARDEN family if they were "witnesses". was there any "customary" tradition in 19th century Scotland when "witnesses" appeared NAMES: #1: COUTTS Family Connections Witnesses on ROB for Alexander Coutts ( b. 1806) were (1) John Esson (merchant) & (2) Alexander Esson of Westertown, Kincardine O'Neil #2 Witnesses are ROM (1862) for Alexander Coutts = Isabella Gillanders were (1) James Ewan (2) James McCormach. Alexander Coutts gave his son James and his daughter Jane the middle name > "Ewan". James Ewan, therefore, might be a relative of either family. Possibly the maiden name of his wife's paternal grandmother (mother of Alexander Gillanders) There are EWANS buried in Kincardine O" Neil Churchyard. #3 Witnesses at the Baptism (1848) of Catharine Garden (d. John Garden & Catharine Robson) were (1) Mary Massie and (2) Catherine Gibson. #4 Witness at the Baptism of a George GARDEN (1811) = John REID Witness at the Baptism of William GARDEN (George's brother) (1813) = William REID thanks in advance for any help Schani Biermann, Canada

thanks to all who replied to my query on CUMMING surname > broke down a couple of "brick walls" This list is GREAT! to break down some more walls i thought i would ask all listers if they could possibly identify the names below who were witneses at the baptisms/marriage of my GARDENS living in Old machar/Aberdeen City ca 1780-1855. i have some census info (1841/1851) and records from ScotslandPeople to give me some "possibilities" but cannot make a connection Is it safe to assume that most likely there is some family connection to my GARDEN family if they were "witnesses". was there any "customary" tradition in 19th century Scotland when "witnesses" appeared NAMES: #1: COUTTS Family Connections Witnesses on ROB for Alexander Coutts ( b. 1806) were (1) John Esson (merchant) & (2) Alexander Esson of Westertown, Kincardine O'Neil #2 Witnesses are ROM (1862) for Alexander Coutts = Isabella Gillanders were (1) James Ewan (2) James McCormach. Alexander Coutts gave his son James and his daughter Jane the middle name > "Ewan". James Ewan, therefore, might be a relative of either family. Possibly the maiden name of his wife's paternal grandmother (mother of Alexander Gillanders) There are EWANS buried in Kincardine O" Neil Churchyard. #3 Witnesses at the Baptism (1848) of Catharine Garden (d. John Garden & Catharine Robson) were (1) Mary Massie and (2) Catherine Gibson. #4 Witness at the Baptism of a George GARDEN (1811) = John REID Witness at the Baptism of William GARDEN (George's brother) (1813) = William REID thanks in advance for any help Schani Biermann, Canada

Joan I should be interested to hear about your Smith & Farquhar connections. I am researching families of that name with connections in Old Deer & Fetterangus in Aberdeenshire - always happy to share information Best wishes Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Hartman" <jet2jeth@earthlink.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; <genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:50 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Surnames: TILLERAY, MURDOCH, CUMMING, THOMPSON, SMITH,FARGUHAR > > Very curious about the above surnames as middle names in one TILLERAY > family that resided in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. Can't find evidence of what > relationship might've existed between Tillerays and all those other > surnames...Children's births ranged in years from 1832 to 1859. Could > they just have been neighbors? > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> >>Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:08 PM >>To: genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk, aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [ABERDEEN] Schani Re: surname CUMMING >> >> >> >>Karen, >> >>thanks for your reply to my query >> >>i think i have the mystery thanks to all the kind people who replied >> >>i am going to get this record via Scotslandpeople to obtain the parents' >>names >> >>thanks agian >> >>Regards, Schani >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk> >>To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:26 AM >>Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING >> >> >>to all listers >> >>anyone researching this unusual surname? >> >>i >>have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in >>Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her >>father's ROD >> >>can find nothing else! >> >>any help would be appreciated >> >>Schani Biermann, canada >> >>>>>>>I have Cummings in Morayshire too. It is not that uncommon a name in >>>>>>>the area. And indeed I have an Irish couple marrying in Scotland and >>>>>>>the Groom's Mother was down as Cumming on the marriage cert when in >>>>>>>fact it was Cummane. The Minister just put down what he thought he >>>>>>>heard. Anyway I digress. >> >> >> >>However >>I think you need to check your names.Are you sure Elizabeth isn't Mary >>?See >>below. It is the only marriage match on the whole of Scotlandspeople , all >>years searched , for the surnames >>Cumming and Garden and it comes up with 1862 which you had too. >> >> >> >>I found this >> >>No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District >>City/County/MR GROS Data >> >>1 1862 CUMMING JOHN GARDEN MARY OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH >>ABERDEEN/ABERDEEN >>168/02 0280 >> >>Maybe that's why you can't find them !! >> >> >>Regards >> >>Karen >> >>The Good You Do Comes Back To You. >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Joanie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks Gavin, the info was from the O.P.R.s for Nigg Kincardinshire, -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Bell Sent: 11 January 2010 20:38 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Woods of Torry Aberdeen Ralph Smith wrote: > IS THERE ANYONE THERE !!!!!!!. > > Does any person have any info on the above Woods family > > James Wood and George Wood were twins born in Torry Aberdeen in Jan > 1841. What is your source for this information? Torry did not become part of Aberdeen until the end of the 19th century, after the former estuary of the River Dee had been reclaimed, and the Victoria Bridge built. In 1841 it would have been considered as part of the parish of Nigg, Kincardineshire, and any births there would be recorded in the OPRs for Nigg, not in the records for Aberdeen. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very curious about the above surnames as middle names in one TILLERAY family that resided in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. Can't find evidence of what relationship might've existed between Tillerays and all those other surnames...Children's births ranged in years from 1832 to 1859. Could they just have been neighbors? -----Original Message----- >From: Schani Biermann <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> >Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:08 PM >To: genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk, aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ABERDEEN] Schani Re: surname CUMMING > > > >Karen, > >thanks for your reply to my query > >i think i have the mystery thanks to all the kind people who replied > >i am going to get this record via Scotslandpeople to obtain the parents' >names > >thanks agian > >Regards, Schani > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk> >To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:26 AM >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] surname CUMMING > > >to all listers > >anyone researching this unusual surname? > >i >have an Elizabeth Garden who married a _________ Cumming living in in >Old machar Parish ca 1862. Elizabeth Cumming was the "informant" on her >father's ROD > >can find nothing else! > >any help would be appreciated > >Schani Biermann, canada > >>>>>>I have Cummings in Morayshire too. It is not that uncommon a name in >>>>>>the area. And indeed I have an Irish couple marrying in Scotland and >>>>>>the Groom's Mother was down as Cumming on the marriage cert when in >>>>>>fact it was Cummane. The Minister just put down what he thought he >>>>>>heard. Anyway I digress. > > > >However >I think you need to check your names.Are you sure Elizabeth isn't Mary ?See >below. It is the only marriage match on the whole of Scotlandspeople , all >years searched , for the surnames >Cumming and Garden and it comes up with 1862 which you had too. > > > >I found this > >No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District >City/County/MR GROS Data > >1 1862 CUMMING JOHN GARDEN MARY OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH ABERDEEN/ABERDEEN >168/02 0280 > >Maybe that's why you can't find them !! > > >Regards > >Karen > >The Good You Do Comes Back To You. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Joanie