Gavin, Thankyou for the reply. I believe I am okay with Genuki copyright. I have no intention of selling or publishing any data that I get from Genuki. My interest is purely for my own entertainment / study / gratification in better understanding the places listed in my family tree. Painful as it may be, I will generate my own shape files for the various parishes relevant to my own database - I will get this data from wherever I can in the public domain that does not have copyright restrictions. Yes I am a bit nerdy and I enjoy using GIS systems and databases. My aim is to have all relevant data on my PC and not to rely upon the web for geographical information. Thankyou for the various links, you have done a good job on those two sites, and that is something like what I would like to do with my own tree data - I will get there. Where did you learn how to use google earth to do that ?- Did you teach yourself by having an initial go on google earth and learning as you went ? Regards Bill

Gavin, Thanks for the response. Would you consider assisting the Scotlandsplaces people and the Genuki people by giving them a copy of your dataset ? I have been thoroughly disenchanted with mapping that I have seen to date - hence my enthusiasm over the scotlandsplaces-googlearth kml file trick - it actually does work ! And the concept is useable and repeatable and free and can be done by anybody. Tonight I started assembling my own data for input to a mapping package we use at work. Yes I have seen Genuki - it is also very good and has helped me a lot. A downside of Genuki is that I havent been able to extract raw data to plot up myself whereas the ScotlandsPlaces/Googlearth system allows me to do this. Do you know of a way of getting a listing of eastings and northings and placenames from genuki ? Although it will plot on the map for you I havent seen how to download the raw data. Is there somewhere that you know of on the web where I can download a set of shapefiles representing the various parishes and counties at various points in time ? What enchanted me about the Scotlands places google earth hookup is that with the kml files I can edit and have control of placenames and locations and can create previously unmapped places and correct errors. You can easily create new kml files by copying and editing old ones - it is like a laymans GIS system and it is free. With a liitle thought anybody could create their own mapped tree on Google Earth with notes and names and hyperlinks attached to each location I believe that Scotlands people and Google earth are using WGS 1984. Regards Bill On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> wrote: > Bill Wood wrote: > > > > Try this it is very very very good. > > > I would say it was a good deal less good than that! > > > > > > Go to Scotlandsplaces yes thats right places not people. > > > > Use the search option to find a little known place in your tree. > > > If you dig around at the site a little, you will discover the > limitations of the Gazetteer they are using: > > "The gazetteer is a work in progress. At the launch of the site (in > October 2009) it consisted mainly of entries on counties, cities, > parishes, burghs, inhabited islands, and places with at least 100 > inhabitants. Our intention is to continue to add to the gazetteer by > improving entries or adding entries on more places, which exist now or > existed at one time but have long since vanished." > > Brave aims. But I fear there is some little way to go. And there are > alternatives available now, such as the Gazetteer which forms part of > the GENUKI system. There are various routes in to this data from the > individual County and Parish pages, or you can go straight to: > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteer/ > > > Aided and abetted by Ray Hennessy, I have been developing a historical > Gazetteer of placenames in Banffshire, also using names from a variety > of historical sources. But when I compare the "Scotlandsplaces" > offering against our database for just a single small rural parish, I > can quickly identify a dozen placenames for which Ray and I have chapter > and verse, but which do not appear on Scotlandsplaces. > > > > > Maybe they will have some photographs and maybe not. > > But the photographs are going to be of places which figure in the files > of the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historic Monuments of > Scotland (RCAHMS) - they are not often going to show the places where > our ancestors were likely to have lived. > > > > > Here comes the good bit > > > > Hit the button that says Plot Results on a Virtual Globe > > > > You will be prompted to download a .kml file > > > > Download the kml file somehwere sensible and double click on it - this > will > > fire up Google Earth > > > > Your location is now shown on google earth and you can add notes to the > > location ie > > > > Granda Wilson built his whisky distillery here, wee McWillie Wilson born > > here 1863. > > I have to say this part of what is offered strikes me as a bit creaky. > If you try the GENUKI Gazetteer mentioned above, you find links that go > straight (no downloading, no waiting for Google Earth) to pages which > will show your chosen location on a range of different mapping services, > and/or on a satellite image. > > > > > Am still experimenting - you can put in hyperlinks and open up web pages > but > > I havent been able to put in a hyperlink that will open up files on my > PC. > > > > And as a free bonus you get Lat and Long of your location for input to > other > > programs. > > > So long as you know which flavour of Latitude and Longitude you are > getting! The documentation for my GPS receiver lists over 100 different > "Map Datums" which are used in different places to allow for the fact > that the Earth is not a perfect sphere - and there are at least 3 > different ways of calculating Lat/Longs which are valid (for varying > purposes) in the UK. The differences between them in terms of postion > on the ground is often as great as 100 metres, and translating between > them involves some very hairy maths. * > > > > I am quite excited about this as I have been severely dissappointed by > > programs claiming to map family trees but failing abysmally > > > > ANybody know a similar location for English places try ? > > > GENUKI (link above) covers UK & Ireland. > > > This Gazzetteer is > > good http://www.gazetteer.co.uk/index.htm - it wont give you a kml file > but > > it will help with obscure placenames > > > I don't know how good it is for England, but it knows even less than > "Scotlandsplaces" about NE Scotland. > > > Gavin Bell > > > > * for chapter and verse, see: > > > http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/docs/A_Guide_to_Coordinate_Systems_in_Great_Britain.pdf > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill Wood wrote: > > Would you consider assisting the Scotlandsplaces people and the Genuki > people by giving them a copy of your dataset ? Genuki already have my Banffshire data - all the map-derived placenames that Ray and I have collected are already in the Genuki Gazetteer. Placenames for which there was only an approximate location (mostly ex-Census) are listed in the parish-by-parish Gazetteers available (for most parishes) via a link under "Names, Geographical". As regards any further distribution of the data, well, I have my own plans for that. > I have been thoroughly disenchanted with mapping that I have seen to date - > hence my enthusiasm over the scotlandsplaces-googlearth kml file trick - it > actually does work ! And the concept is useable and repeatable and free and > can be done by anybody. Anybody? My feeling is that there are other, more straightforward, ways in which the average, non-nerdy, Family Historian can get useful mapping data off the web. For example: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/ or that site's still experimental successor: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/googlemaps/newkirkyardmap08a.html > > Tonight I started assembling my own data for input to a mapping package we > use at work. > > Yes I have seen Genuki - it is also very good and has helped me a lot. > > A downside of Genuki is that I havent been able to extract raw data to plot > up myself whereas the ScotlandsPlaces/Googlearth system allows me to do > this. > > Do you know of a way of getting a listing of eastings and northings and > placenames from genuki ? Although it will plot on the map for you I havent > seen how to download the raw data. As regards that, I would refer you to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/contents/#Copyright The fact that data may be available free of charge does not automatically mean it is available to be re-published. > Is there somewhere that you know of on the web where I can download a set of > shapefiles representing the various parishes and counties at various points > in time ? No. And when I faced the same problem I set to and generated that data myself. You can see some of the results on the "newkirkyardmap" site above. > > I believe that Scotlands people and Google earth are using WGS 1984. WGS84 is a useful compromise for some purposes (eg SATNAV) but national mapping agencies, like the Ordnance Survey, use map datums that give a better fit locally to the rather irregular shape of the Earth. And while modern OS maps are based on something called OSGB36, earlier OS maps (as the name hints) used different standards (and different map projections). Family History is necessarily going to concern itself with placenames found only on old maps, so it becomes important to understand the differences. Gavin Bell

I recently found out that the following people are buried in Inverness at the Tomnahurich Cemetery. Mary Margaret Shaw Innes b:1894, d: 1970 She married John Steel 1921. He was b: 1894 d: 1957 at Lackalsh Road Inverness. Their daughter Margaret Steel b:1925, d:1986 Dingwall, Ross and Cromarty She married Robert Gunn 1947 d:???? Their daughter Heather d: at a very early age. What way should I go about to access the Tomnahurich Cemetery? William in Montreal

Can anyone give me some advice on where I might look to find information on someone lost at sea? I am looking for information on James Thomson, born 13th August 1901 in Aberdeen. I understand that he was lost at sea somtime after 1921. I think that the vessel was from the North East, could the Harbour board assist? Thanks in advance Andrew Davidson

Paul, there are many MORRISONs in Bengal http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/ Name: William MORRISON Event type: Marriage Start date: 28 Aug Start year: 1821 Location: Ft. William Spouse: Sarah DUFFY, widow Age: Status: Staff-Sgt., widower Transcribed by: British LibraryIndia Office Records Reference: N/1/11 f.563 Presidency: Bengal Name: William MORRISON Event type: Marriage Start date: 21 Apr Start year: 1832 Location: Allypore Spouse: Elizabeth JOHNSON, Ward, L. O. S. Age: 27 Status: Bom. Transcribed by: British LibraryIndia Office Records Reference: N/1/33 f.121 Presidency: Bengal Name: Alexander MORRISON Event type: BirthDate: 06 May Year: 1838 Location: Meerut Parents: William, Sgt., H-Art.; Elizabeth Event type: Baptism Date: 08 Jul Year: 1838 Location: Meerut Parents: William, Sgt., H-Art.; Elizabeth Transcribed by: British LibraryIndia Office Records Reference: N/1/50 f.142 Presidency: Bengal Regards Jenny

Actually you MUST have more info on him than that. If he is your 2g grandfather then you must know who was his child that was your 1g grandparent, and probably will know who his wife and/or mother of said child. This info would go a long way to narrowing down the search and helping others assist you. Morrison was my parental grandmother's name and I have 7 William Morrisons in my tree. Unfortunately not a 1802 one. However it's entirely possible there is a link. It's just really difficult to tell with the limited info you gave. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of paulmcginlay Sent: 26 January 2010 15:29 To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Morrison - Old Machar Can anyone help? i am looking for info on my gggrandfather. His name was William Morrison and the only details I have is that he was born in Old Machar about 1802. He enlisted as a gunner in the Bengal Artillery on May 9th 1821 and sailed for india on board the "Rose" later that year. cheers Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com

The 1841 census shows a William Morrison age 40 Army Pensioner living in the Hardgate in Aberdeen. With him are Elizabeth age 40 born England, Elizabeth age 10 born England, James age 8 born Ireland, Matilda age 5 born Aberdeenshire and Thomas age 2 born England. Also on the same page is Jane Morrison age 70 possibly his mother but needs checking. There is a possible IGI birth for William Morrison at Old Machar on 17 April 1802 parents Charles Morrison and Jane Fowler. Something to follow up. George On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:29 PM, paulmcginlay <paul.mcginlay@tesco.net>wrote: > Can anyone help? i am looking for info on my gggrandfather. His name was > William Morrison and the only details I have is that he was born in Old > Machar about 1802. > He enlisted as a gunner in the Bengal Artillery on May 9th 1821 and sailed > for india on board the "Rose" later that year. > > cheers Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Hello, Try this it is very very very good. Go to Scotlandsplaces yes thats right places not people. Use the search option to find a little known place in your tree. Maybe they will have some photographs and maybe not. Here comes the good bit Hit the button that says Plot Results on a Virtual Globe You will be prompted to download a .kml file Download the kml file somehwere sensible and double click on it - this will fire up Google Earth Your location is now shown on google earth and you can add notes to the location ie Granda Wilson built his whisky distillery here, wee McWillie Wilson born here 1863. Am still experimenting - you can put in hyperlinks and open up web pages but I havent been able to put in a hyperlink that will open up files on my PC. And as a free bonus you get Lat and Long of your location for input to other programs. I am quite excited about this as I have been severely dissappointed by programs claiming to map family trees but failing abysmally ANybody know a similar location for English places try ? This Gazzetteer is good http://www.gazetteer.co.uk/index.htm - it wont give you a kml file but it will help with obscure placenames Bill

Can anyone help? i am looking for info on my gggrandfather. His name was William Morrison and the only details I have is that he was born in Old Machar about 1802. He enlisted as a gunner in the Bengal Artillery on May 9th 1821 and sailed for india on board the "Rose" later that year. cheers Paul

>From an Australian perspective........ I have in my posession a copy of my Scottish great aunt's passport dated 1920 (from memory) for her emigration to Sydney Australia remembering it was under the Commonwealth as per Canada. Today's passports may look very different, but some of the key changes are less obvious at first glance: the 'X' series passport issued in 1917 is one of the earliest passports. It was during World War I that monitoring and identifying those crossing international borders became critical to the security of Australia and its allies; the War Precautions Act 1914-15 required that all persons over 16 years of age, on leaving the Commonwealth, possess a passport; in 1949 two types of passport were issued: B Series passports were issued (within Australia only) to British subjects who were not Australian citizens. C Series passports were issued only to Australian citizens. before 1983, a married woman's passport application had to be authorised by her husband; in 1984, Australian passports included machine readable lines and were the first to have a laminate built into the document; in 1986, the introduction of Single Identity passports meant children could no longer be included on their parent's passport; until 1988, a woman could apply for and receive a passport in her married name, before she was actually married. Regards Jenny

Bill Wood wrote: > Try this it is very very very good. I would say it was a good deal less good than that! > > Go to Scotlandsplaces yes thats right places not people. > > Use the search option to find a little known place in your tree. If you dig around at the site a little, you will discover the limitations of the Gazetteer they are using: "The gazetteer is a work in progress. At the launch of the site (in October 2009) it consisted mainly of entries on counties, cities, parishes, burghs, inhabited islands, and places with at least 100 inhabitants. Our intention is to continue to add to the gazetteer by improving entries or adding entries on more places, which exist now or existed at one time but have long since vanished." Brave aims. But I fear there is some little way to go. And there are alternatives available now, such as the Gazetteer which forms part of the GENUKI system. There are various routes in to this data from the individual County and Parish pages, or you can go straight to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteer/ Aided and abetted by Ray Hennessy, I have been developing a historical Gazetteer of placenames in Banffshire, also using names from a variety of historical sources. But when I compare the "Scotlandsplaces" offering against our database for just a single small rural parish, I can quickly identify a dozen placenames for which Ray and I have chapter and verse, but which do not appear on Scotlandsplaces. > > Maybe they will have some photographs and maybe not. But the photographs are going to be of places which figure in the files of the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historic Monuments of Scotland (RCAHMS) - they are not often going to show the places where our ancestors were likely to have lived. > > Here comes the good bit > > Hit the button that says Plot Results on a Virtual Globe > > You will be prompted to download a .kml file > > Download the kml file somehwere sensible and double click on it - this will > fire up Google Earth > > Your location is now shown on google earth and you can add notes to the > location ie > > Granda Wilson built his whisky distillery here, wee McWillie Wilson born > here 1863. I have to say this part of what is offered strikes me as a bit creaky. If you try the GENUKI Gazetteer mentioned above, you find links that go straight (no downloading, no waiting for Google Earth) to pages which will show your chosen location on a range of different mapping services, and/or on a satellite image. > > Am still experimenting - you can put in hyperlinks and open up web pages but > I havent been able to put in a hyperlink that will open up files on my PC. > > And as a free bonus you get Lat and Long of your location for input to other > programs. So long as you know which flavour of Latitude and Longitude you are getting! The documentation for my GPS receiver lists over 100 different "Map Datums" which are used in different places to allow for the fact that the Earth is not a perfect sphere - and there are at least 3 different ways of calculating Lat/Longs which are valid (for varying purposes) in the UK. The differences between them in terms of postion on the ground is often as great as 100 metres, and translating between them involves some very hairy maths. * > I am quite excited about this as I have been severely dissappointed by > programs claiming to map family trees but failing abysmally > > ANybody know a similar location for English places try ? GENUKI (link above) covers UK & Ireland. This Gazzetteer is > good http://www.gazetteer.co.uk/index.htm - it wont give you a kml file but > it will help with obscure placenames I don't know how good it is for England, but it knows even less than "Scotlandsplaces" about NE Scotland. Gavin Bell * for chapter and verse, see: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/docs/A_Guide_to_Coordinate_Systems_in_Great_Britain.pdf

This is a repeat query. I periodically put it out there in the hope that information will be recovered by some other researcher working with the Morison surname. My own missing William Morrison was married in Aberdeen to a Margaret Ross (John Ross ex Barbara Pirie) in Aberdeen in 1779. He was a soldier in the Northern Fencibles at the time of his marriage so he may have been born elsewhere. Witnesses at the christening of their daughter Cathrin Morison in Glasgow in 1780 are John Ross and what may be Walter Morison (handwriting is cramped almost illegible on OPR pdf). There is evidence for a second child, John Morison (b. 1786) during the 1780s. William had a sister Barbara who married a Donald McKay before 1777. I have no documentation for Barbara. They were in Caithness by the early 1790s. Children from their time in Thurso include Alexander, Barbara; Agnes, and William (b. 1796). Thank you. Inez __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

Hi List   I would like to thank everyone who gave me input with my problem of Charles Summers.   Karen His B.C. said that he was illegitimate and only his mother's name was on it but I am sure that the father's name would have been George Gray as I have not ran across the name George or Gray in any generation of this family. I have the OPR of his grandparents marriage and it was 2 years before his mother was born so she was not illegitimate, in the 1901 Census she was still unmarried and living in Edinburgh. His age at the time of the marriage was 30 and when he signed up for the Army the D.O.B. was right as it gave the actual date and further on the paper it also stated that he was age 39 years 8 months and 5' 3" tall.   Thanks again everyone Adeline    

Ken: I was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba in 1926. At that time my status was "British Subject Resident in Canada". I do not remember the exact year that the Canadian Citizenship Act was passed but it was some time in the '50's, I think. At that time my status changed to Canadian Citizen, and a passport was required to visit Gt Britain. This would date the Passport requirement well past the dates you are interested in. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken May" <jean-ken@xtra.co.nz> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] RE-LEGAL NAME > Goldie said... "He did not need a passport to come from Scotland to Canada > he was a British subject"... > > Thank you Goldie for that piece of information. I don't suppose you know > when passports became compulsory for British subjects who came Canada? > > I have to search for some of my wifes relatives who travelled between > Scotland and Canada and back again between 1912 and 1928. If I could nail > down exactly when passports were introduced it could save me a lot of time > trying to find things that may not exist. > > Than you again for that info. > > Ken > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to all who responded about when...  <Passports became compulsory for British subjects who came to Canada?> Ken NZ

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > ... > l'm pretty sure if I decided to move to Scotland I could do that. If you mean "go and take up permanent residence" then it is not certain that you could. The rules on immigration were made much more restrictive around 30 years ago, and (while I cannot give you precise legal chapter and verse) I rather think that citizens of Commonwealth countries (such as Canada) have the automatic right to take up residence in the UK only if they have at least one parent who was actually born in the UK. Otherwise, they are subject to the same immigration restrictions as other non-EU citizens. Gavin Bell

My best guess would be that the first time (WW 1 or 2) he wouldn't have had one, just his 'dog tag' or that type of info, likely some papers in case he got wounded.....but the other times if he was a visitor he would have had to have one. Goldie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "liza stuart" <lizastart@yahoo.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] passports and ww1 Hi again,Thanks for the fast reply about Canadians.What I wanted to know was if a British born citizen who joined the British army was required to have a passport when travelling to France during WW1 or if they just had to show their army papers. My ancestor, an arny officer, went to France several times and not always with a regiment.ThanksLiz __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adeline said: Thanks Goldie, I did not realize that he did not need a passport being British. So far I have had no luck finding out exactly when he arrived in Canada but now I would put it between 1906 - 1915 so I will have to go back and re-check. His Attestation Papers gave me a street address in Vancouver B.C. ------------------------------------- Adeline: I suggest you contact the Cloverdale Library as they have what are called "Henderson's Directories". These are organized by the surname of individuals and by street addresses. I am not certain if they have 1906 but I recall looking up 1910 for my family (the year they arrived in Canada) and then found them in 1911. Cloverdale Library is located outside of Vancouver, B.C. and are on the internet. They have a very active and extensive Genealogy section and excellent staff. I live in Edmonton and won't get to Vancouver until the summer time. Ed. Campbell

Hi Liza, I wouldn't think he would need a passport but hopefully a Brit will answer that one for you. Good luck Kathy On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM, liza stuart <lizastart@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Hi again,Thanks for the fast reply about Canadians.What I wanted to know > was if a British born citizen who joined the British army was required to > have a passport when travelling to France during WW1 or if they just had to > show their army papers. My ancestor, an arny officer, went to France > several times and not always with a regiment.ThanksLiz > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! > Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >