On 5 February 2010 09:58, Andy Candlish <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > > I think that only Ancestry subscribers can access the information on the > links. > --------------------------------------------- > Hi Ann Ancestry doesn't have a full set of Scottish records [I was a bit surprised to hear form Andy that it had any!] so if you want to go further back on the GORDON line, you will probably need to use ScP. The initial cost is 6GBP which gets you three months access and 30 credits. When you do a search [free] you have to pay one credit for each page of up to 25 hits [so maximise the hit-list by getting close to <25, <50, or <75 etc hits] and then 5 credits [=1GBP] for any image you want to download. -- Best wishes & be lucky! Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

jandcwellborne@bigpond.com wrote: > I am reposting my BLACK research interest > > ... > > known Children ... 2.Alexander BLACK born c 1791 Gamrie BANFF dies > before 1861 Gamrie Banff? occupation in the 1841 census a wright , > living in Duff Street, Gamrie, Banff. married Helen FORDYCE in > 1817..Three known Children Alexander BLACK George BLACK ....marries > Jane LEASK no known children..her parents George LEASK and Jane GREIG > William BLACK "Duff Street, Gamrie" probably means "Duff Street, Macduff". The western end of the parish of Gamrie (known as Doune or Down) was semi-independent from the later 18th century, when the then Earl of Fife paid for a new church (Doune Kirk) overlooking the town which was, in his honour, renamed Macduff. This administrative independence seems to have been temporarily abolished when civil registration started in 1855, with Doune/Macduff being re-integrated into the Registration District of Gamrie. In 1882 Macduff was set up as a separate Registration District. The MIs for Doune Kirk list several BLACKs. Gavin Bell

On 4 February 2010 23:07, <Anndriscoll@aol.com> wrote: > Hi list, I have just joined and am looking for a family of Gordon > (surname) to include William A Gordon born c 1888 with father also William > A Gordon. ... Would SKS please be kind enough to look on those censuses > for any possibilities? > ________________________________ Hi Ann & welcome The 1891 and 1901 Census records are imaged and indexed on the Scotland's People site. For a small sum you can search the index and download images. The url is: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.aspx -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Hi Ann, I just had a quick look at the 1881 Census and I found William Gordon Sr. when he was 22, living at home with his mother Jane (b. abt 1819, Old Deer, Banffshire), and his brothers and a sister. They also had an uncle, listed as brother to Jane Gordon, named James Norrie (b. abt 1815 in Old Deer, Banffshire, according to the census). They were living in the parish of Methlick, Aberdeenshire, farming 140 arable acres. Their specific address was Middlemuir. Hope this helps in getting you back further. Kathy Stevenson Ontario, Canada

Ah! I thought there may be other sources apart from Ancestry, never mind. thanks again Ann I think that only Ancestry subscribers can access the information on the links. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Forsberg" <forsbergray@gmail.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 1891 & 1901 census looking for GORDON surname > Hi Ann, > > Found this in 1891 census - > > *William Gordon* Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relationship: > Son Father's > Name: William Mother's Name: Barbra Gender: Male Where born: Monquhitter, > Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 222B Registration district: Millbrex > Civil > parish: Monquhitter County: Aberdeenshire Address: Grain Hill ED: 3 > Household > schedule number: 46 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1891_67 Household Members: > Name Age William > Gordon<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980963> > 32 Barbra > Gordon<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980964> > 26 William > Gordon<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980965> > 3 James > Gordon<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980966> > 9mo Jane > Hendry<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980967> > 17 Alex > Davidson<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1891Scotland&indiv=try&h=980968> > 16 > > Source Citation: Parish: *Monquhitter*; ED: *3*; Page: *10*; Line: *9*; > Roll *CSSCT1891_67*; Year: *1891*. > There are others; if you would like, I can email you privately with the > rest. > > Cheers, > > Carol > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ray, I think I might have to go to Scotlands People. Thanks again for your reply Ann On 4 February 2010 23:07, <Anndriscoll@aol.com> wrote: > Hi list, I have just joined and am looking for a family of Gordon > (surname) to include William A Gordon born c 1888 with father also William > A Gordon. ... Would SKS please be kind enough to look on those censuses > for any possibilities? > ________________________________ Hi Ann & welcome The 1891 and 1901 Census records are imaged and indexed on the Scotland's People site. For a small sum you can search the index and download images. The url is: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.aspx -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP ********************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, very many thanks for this, I would really appreciate the rest if you have the time. No rush. Thanks again Ann Hi Ann, Found this in 1891 census - *William Gordon* Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relationship: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Barbra Gender: Male Where born: Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 222B Registration district: Millbrex Civil parish: Monquhitter County: Aberdeenshire Address: Grain Hill ED: 3 Household schedule number: 46 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1891_67 Household Members: Name Age William Gordon<16 Source Citation: Parish: *Monquhitter*; ED: *3*; Page: *10*; Line: *9*; Roll *CSSCT1891_67*; Year: *1891*. There are others; if you would like, I can email you privately with the rest. Cheers, Carol On 5 February 2010 20:18, Ray Hennessy <ray7033@googlemail.com> wrote: > On 4 February 2010 23:07, <Anndriscoll@aol.com> wrote: > > > Hi list, I have just joined and am looking for a family of Gordon > > (surname) to include William A Gordon born c 1888 with father also > William > > A Gordon. ... Would SKS please be kind enough to look on those > censuses > > for any possibilities? > > > ________________________________ > > Hi Ann & welcome > > The 1891 and 1901 Census records are imaged and indexed on the Scotland's > People site. For a small sum you can search the index and download images. > The url is: > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.aspx > > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** > >From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine Smith wrote: >>Would a lister have a copy of the Crathie MI booklet AA119 please as I have >>found a family I am researching for a friend. >> >>They are as follows on Stone No. 145 >> >>Alexander Shaw d 11 Sep 1851 >>Alexander Shaw d 7 Jul 1859 >>William Shaw d 9 Oct 1864 >>Margaret Scott d 7 Nov 1873 > > > > Hi Joan, > > This is what it says - > > "1861. > William Shaw, Grenuda, fa Alexander S, resident many y Eelegie, d > 7.7.1859 a 69y, bro Alexander S d 11.9.1851 a 14y: ab Wiliam S d > Carriacoru, West Indies, 9.10.1864 a 33 y, Margaret Scott (h Alexander > S) d 7.11.1873 a 74y." > > > fa = father > h = husband > bro = brother > ab = above > y = years > a = aged > I think that's actually a quote from the SGS book of pre-1855 Upper Deeside MIs - the ANESFHS version would be a bit less like a knitting pattern. Gavin Bell

> Would a lister have a copy of the Crathie MI booklet AA119 please as I have > found a family I am researching for a friend. > > They are as follows on Stone No. 145 > > Alexander Shaw d 11 Sep 1851 > Alexander Shaw d 7 Jul 1859 > William Shaw d 9 Oct 1864 > Margaret Scott d 7 Nov 1873 Hi Joan, This is what it says - "1861. William Shaw, Grenuda, fa Alexander S, resident many y Eelegie, d 7.7.1859 a 69y, bro Alexander S d 11.9.1851 a 14y: ab Wiliam S d Carriacoru, West Indies, 9.10.1864 a 33 y, Margaret Scott (h Alexander S) d 7.11.1873 a 74y." fa = father h = husband bro = brother ab = above y = years a = aged Elaine _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hello, This could be a useful site for getting an overview of distribution of parishes within shires and counties. There is a page showing the map of the parishes inside each county http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-aberdeen.htm - shows aberdeenshire and Banffshire parishes Disclaimers ................................ - Please note 1. I do not know the difference between a shire and a county - if somebody does please educate me (Thankyou) 2. Parish boundaries can change over time 3. County and no doubt shire boundaries can change over time (Banffshire dissappeared completely !) 4. I do not know how or when the shapes depicted in these maps were calculated and drawn or what map projections were used to create the graphics. It may be stated somewhere on the site. I have not noticed. 5. Given point 4 above it would be difficult to recommend this site to anybody who wants rigorous definitions of source data 6. Other people know far far more about parishes than I do and all comments and contributions are most welcome. In spite of the above disclaimers, I still believe that anybody who would like to look at the above maps would gain some understanding of the approximate location and size of any parishes that they are interested in. Does anybody know of any similar or better sites for understanding parish locations and shapes ? Although Genuki has lots of useful information, I find the Genuki site to be awkward to use and I have not seen many definitions of Parish boundaries on Genuki as clearly and as simply displayed as on the Scotlandfamily parish maps. Another site I have seen is called Vision of Britain which also contains maps of Parish boundaries that some of you may find useful. A GIS database defining all English parish polygons between 1500ish and 2000ish does exist in academia - Does anybody know of a similar database for Scottish parish boundaries ? Regards Bill

Hi list, I have just joined and am looking for a family of Gordon (surname) to include William A Gordon born c 1888 with father also William A Gordon. Mother's name unknown, believed to have lived somewhere between Aberdeen and Dundee. There is possibly a younger brother and sister who may appear with the family in 1901, also possible in 1891 if William jnr was born before the census was taken. I have very little information on the family, and what I have is from young William's grand daughter who is now 89 yrs old and would really like to learn more about her Gordons. Would SKS please be kind enough to look on those censuses for any possibilities? Many thanks Ann

Hello Would a lister have a copy of the Crathie MI booklet AA119 please as I have found a family I am researching for a friend. They are as follows on Stone No. 145 Alexander Shaw d 11 Sep 1851 Alexander Shaw d 7 Jul 1859 William Shaw d 9 Oct 1864 Margaret Scott d 7 Nov 1873 If anyone is researching the above names together with the Farquhars/son name in Crathie & Braemar, I would be delighted to hear from them. I do have other MI booklets but not the Crathie one. Thank you Joan -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 623 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Sandy PITTENDREIGH wrote: > Viking influence on placenames is not limited to the Western Isles or > the NE. Here in the SW you will find many places names with viking > roots. A few very obvious onse of the top of my head are: Tinwald, > Tothorwald, Mouswald which are all similar to the name for the > Parliament of the Isle of Man which was an independent viking kindom > which challenged the early Scots kings for control of the SW. Quite true. My remarks were influenced by the original question referring to Caithness and northern Scotland. Gavin Bell

Viking influence on placenames is not limited to the Western Isles or the NE. Here in the SW you will find many places names with viking roots. A few very obvious onse of the top of my head are:  Tinwald, Tothorwald, Mouswald which are all similar to the name for the Parliament of the Isle of Man which was an independent viking kindom which challenged the early Scots kings for control of the SW. Sandy Pittendreigh in Dumfries ________________________________ > How much influence did the Vikings have on the speech of the northern Scotsmen? Gvin Wrote: Depends how you define "northern".  Placenames of Norse origin are largely found in the Northern and Wester Isles, and to a limited extent in Caithness.  But in the rest of mainland Scotland (much of which I would count as "northern") there are none, which is pretty clear evidence that there was no significant Viking settlement there. Scots, as spoken in most of eastern mainland Scotland, up to and including Caithness, is well understood as being a variety of Anglian, which is one of the West Germanic languages which are the immediate ancestors of English.  The Vikings, on the other hand, spoke dialects belonging to the North Germanic group. There are points of similarity, but also significant differences, and some of the words occasionally quoted as "proof" that Scots derives from Norse (such as "kirk") can actually be found in both North and West Germanic. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill Wood wrote: > This could be a useful site for getting an overview of distribution of > parishes within shires and counties. There is a page showing the map > of the parishes inside each county > > http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-aberdeen.htm - shows > aberdeenshire and Banffshire parishes The general appearance of the map, and the fact that the image bears the name of the Aberdeen and North-East Scotland FHS initially led me to think that this was a scan of the a map which ANESFHS sells - but comparing it with my paper copy of that map, I see that the online version has some serious inconsistencies: The parish of St Fergus (just north of Peterhead) is shown as lying in a separated part of Banffshire, a situation which came to an end in 1891, when the parish was transferred to Aberdeenshire. But if the map aims to show the pre-1891 boundaries, then there it should also show large parts of 3 other parishes (Cabrach, Gartly, Glass) as belonging, rather anomalously, to Banffshire, along with smaller bits of other parishes (Cairnie, King Edward, New Machar and Old Deer). There were also parishes divided between Banffshire and Moray (Bellie, Boharm, Inveravon, Keith and Rothes). In fact, as regards the parish of Boharm, this map gets it 100% wrong - until 1891, this parish straddled the Banffshire/Moray border, but the anomaly was resolved in that year by placing the whole parish in Banffshire, not in Moray. The boundaries of the pre-1891 parishes and counties are complicated, and understanding them (and their possible implications for where records of our ancestors might be found) is not greatly helped by this map. It is also at too small a scale to show some of the oddities in parish boundaries (for example, the fact that various Aberdeenshire parishes had "detached sections" surrounded by the territory of other parishes (eg Aberdour, Aboyne, Cluny, Fraserburgh, Methlick). > 1. I do not know the difference between a shire and a county - if > somebody does please educate me (Thankyou) What's in a name? They are essentially different labels for the same thing. Originally "Shires" were found in England, but not in Scotland. I have seen no maps dating earlier than the 18th century that show "Shires" in Scotland. Earlier maps used older designations for bits of the country - Aberdeen has "Buchan", "Formartine", "Mar" and "Garioch", while much of the lower-lying part of Banffshire bore the name "Enzie". These names had their origins in the old Earldoms, and persist in common use (although mostly not as formal administrative areas). With the gradual development of Royal justice, these divisions came to be overlaid by areas whose territory approximated to those of the "traditional" counties. However, many of them were not known as "X-shire" but had names such as "Moray", "Angus", "Midlothian". In the 19th century, the use of these traditional names was, officially at least, replaced with a rigid series of "X-shire" names on the English model, including barbarisms like "Linlithggowshire", "Edinburghshire" and "Haddingtonshire" (instead of "West Lothian, Midlothian and East Lothian". The older names were officially reinstated in the early 20th century (1919?). > 2. Parish boundaries can change over time Indeed - and the changes can have serious implications for family history. > 3. County and no doubt shire boundaries can change over time > (Banffshire dissappeared completely !) True, although it is important to remember that the resources we are going to be consulting for family history (OPRs, civil BDMs, Census, Poor Law, etc etc) were originally organised according to the boundaries in force at the time, and are not magically re-catalogued whenever there is a shakeup in administrative boundaries. The majority are catalogued according to the boundaries as they existed between 1891 and 1974. But this means that some information may appear to be in the wrong place. Knowing where the boundaries lay at the date you are researching can sometimes make the difference between finding your ancestor and losing him or her. To illustrate the sort of problems that can arise, I concocted a fictional biography (but one based on established facts of the historical geography of one Banffshire parish) which you can read at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/countyandparish.html I have spent some time establishing, for Banffshire at least: (a) exactly which place were affected by the boundary changes of 1891 (b) what the likely archival implications are These are documented on the Banffshire pages which I maintain for GENUKI (at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/ or via the GENUKI main portal). On the main page for each parish affected by the changes there will be a section called "Historical Geography" which describes the changes in outline, a section called "Names, Geographical" which will contain one or more Gazetteers listing the placenames of the parish and its various subdivisions) and various of the other sections ("Censsus", "Church Records" may give further detail. Gavin Bell

Goldie said... Any chance this fellow is related to Mary Jane Mathieson/Mathison from Peterhead, ABD? She married Robt Walker in 1842 in Peterhead...... Hi Goldie As far as I can work out Robert Mathieson and Elizabeth Adell/Adiel had the following children Alexander c1816, Robert c1818, Isabella c1819, James c 1821, Elizabeth c1823, Jane c 1825, Christian Meston c1827, Peter c1828, Isabella c1830, and possibly a Martha ,Julia and John, all born in the Midmar or St Nicholas Parishes, Aberdeen. I have not researched the siblings of Robert as yet. Do you recognise any of the names. Cheers Chrissy and John Sunny Queensland RESEARCHING descendents of Robert MATHIESON [a ship master of Aberdeen ] born c 1818 to Robert MATHIESON and Elizabeth ADDELL / ADIEL He married Eliza GAREY at St Nicholas Church Aberdeen in 1839 and died sometime between 1861and 1872....He was supposed to have died at sea. They had the following children James MATHIESON 1841- last known living in High Street , Dumbarton in 1876 an engineer Alexander Smith MATHIESON 1843 believed to have died berore 1876 ....not mentioned in will of mother 1876 Robert MATHIESON 1844 believed to have died before 1876... not mentioned in will of mother 1876 Peter MATHIESON 1847 believed to have died before 1876..... not mentioned in will of mother 1876 Eliza Adiell MATHIESON 1852-1936 married Alexander Christie SMITH 1851-1919...he was a grocer in Aberdeen ... William MATHIESON 1854- alive in 1876 Isabella Garey MATHIESON 1861-1930..married Leslie ROSS 1859-1932 a tobacconist... 1901 census living in Edinburgh -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4808 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Further to the discussion of the name Keith I came across the following regarding the place name Keith in "The Book of the Chrinicles of Keith, Grange, Ruthven, Cairney,and Botriphnie: Events, Places, and Persons" which relates to the transformations of the name. "Ket, Keth, Keath, Keyth, and Keith, occur in either of these spellings 21 times in the Register of the See of Moray. The name appears for the first time on record in the charter by King William the Lion, granting Grange to the Abbey of Kinloss, dated at Elgin 31st July 1195-96. The Church of Keith, being a Mensal Church of the Bishops of Moray, was Granted to the Cathedral of Elgin abour A D 1203............ In a Charter of King Alexander II. (AD 1214-1224), "Kethmalruf" i.e. Keth of Malruve, occurs. This is a combination of the Place and of the Saint to whom the Church was dedicated" There follows an interesting (to me anyway) discourse about how the name of the Irish Saint Maelrubha changed to Malrubius and was corrupted into Summaruf, Samarive, Summarius and then into the absurdity of Summer Eve and the fair held in Keith in the Autumn called the Summer Eve Fair. The Rev Alexander Humphrey minister of Fordyce and late assistant minister of Keith in 1793 writes as one of those who see most old names as having a Gaelic origin! He writes that the place name Keith is derived form the word "ghaith, which in Gaelic signifies wind and which when pronounced by a native Highlander, is not very dissimilar in sound from the word Keith. He goes on to say that this etymology is countenanced by the local situation of the Kirk and old village, near which lies an Eminence, peculiarly exposed to violent gusts of wind, vulgarly called Arkeith, an evident corruption of the the Gaelic words "Ard-Ghaith" signifying "high wind". He goes on to say that in some old charters the name is written as "Gith" which resembles the word "ghaoth" Not being a Gaelic scholar I hesitate to comment on the words of the Rev Mr Humphrey. The "The Book of the Chrinicles of Keith, Grange, Ruthven, Cairney,and Botriphnie: Events, Places, and Persons" is a fascinating book with tremendous insights into the conditions of this part of Scotland in times past from witchcraft to the local celebrations and worthies and their habits plus details of buildings, stone monuments and their inscriptions which have been lost. regards George -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

On 3 February 2010 15:52, Marguerite Pearson <marscot2@charter.net> wrote: > Does anyone know the origin of the Keith name? > ********************* Hi Marguerite Donald Whyte is an expert on Scottish names. His 2-page entry on the KEITH surname says, in part: "...the surname derives from the lands of Keith, in Humbie parish, East Lothian. Hervey Keith, who possessed part of the lands, held the office of Marischal (Keeper of the Royal Mares) under Malcolm IV (1124-53)..." Whyte goes on to list many notable men [yes, I know, only the men!] in the KEITH family, leading to Earl Marischal in 1458 and then leaders in academia and science thereafter. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Marguerite Pearson wrote: > Does anyone know the origin of the Keith name? Since Caithness is the name > of their home base, could Keith be a derivitive of Caithness? According to Black's "Surnames of Scotland", the surname has a "territorial origin from the lands of Keith in East Lothian", which is some little way distant from Caithness. Whether or not that is correct, Black is certainly able to quote documentary examples of the name from before 1200, all in southern Scotland. As to whether all instances of "Keith" as either placename or personal name could be linked to that supposed origin in Esat Lothian, I would be extremenly dubious. "Keith" occurs as a placename or as part of a placename in numerous locations in various parts of Scotland (Keith, Inverkeithney, Keithney, Keithhall, Keithen, Keithick, Inchkeith, Inverkeithing, Dalkeith, Balkeith). Such a wide distribution suggests that the name element may well have come into existence independently in more than one place, and the same may well apply to the personal name. And while there is a similarity to the first syllable of "Caithness", I would say that that is not enough to say that the one is the origin of the other. > How much influence did the Vikings have on the speech of the northern Scotsmen? Depends how you define "northern". Placenames of Norse origin are largely found in the Northern and Wester Isles, and to a limited extent in Caithness. But in the rest of mainland Scotland (much of which I would count as "northern") there are none, which is pretty clear evidence that there was no significant Viking settlement there. Scots, as spoken in most of eastern mainland Scotland, up to and including Caithness, is well understood as being a variety of Anglian, which is one of the West Germanic languages which are the immediate ancestors of English. The Vikings, on the other hand, spoke dialects belonging to the North Germanic group. There are points of similarity, but also significant differences, and some of the words occasionally quoted as "proof" that Scots derives from Norse (such as "kirk") can actually be found in both North and West Germanic. Gavin Bell

No, don't recognize any of this info, sorry........Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: <jandcwellborne@bigpond.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] MATHIESON FAMILY of ABERDEEN > Goldie said... Any chance this fellow is related to Mary Jane > Mathieson/Mathison from > Peterhead, ABD? She married Robt Walker in 1842 in Peterhead...... > > Hi Goldie > As far as I can work out Robert Mathieson and Elizabeth Adell/Adiel had > the > following children > Alexander c1816, Robert c1818, Isabella c1819, James c 1821, Elizabeth > c1823, Jane c 1825, Christian Meston c1827, Peter c1828, Isabella c1830, > and possibly a Martha ,Julia and John, all born in the Midmar or St > Nicholas > Parishes, Aberdeen. > I have not researched the siblings of Robert as yet. > Do you recognise any of the names. > > Cheers > > Chrissy and John > Sunny Queensland > > RESEARCHING descendents of Robert MATHIESON [a ship master of > Aberdeen ] born c 1818 to Robert MATHIESON and Elizabeth ADDELL / ADIEL > > He married Eliza GAREY at St Nicholas Church Aberdeen in 1839 and died > sometime between 1861and 1872....He was supposed to have died at sea. > They had the following children > > James MATHIESON 1841- last known living in High Street , Dumbarton in 1876 > an engineer > Alexander Smith MATHIESON 1843 believed to have died berore 1876 ....not > mentioned in will of mother 1876 > Robert MATHIESON 1844 believed to have died before 1876... not mentioned > in will of mother 1876 > Peter MATHIESON 1847 believed to have died before 1876..... not mentioned > in will of mother 1876 > Eliza Adiell MATHIESON 1852-1936 married Alexander Christie SMITH > 1851-1919...he was a grocer in Aberdeen ... > William MATHIESON 1854- alive in 1876 > Isabella Garey MATHIESON 1861-1930..married Leslie ROSS 1859-1932 a > tobacconist... 1901 census living in Edinburgh > > > > > > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 4808 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >