On 11 February 2010 23:40, Jim Lumsden <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> wrote: > I do not know what dunnottars MI means or what ANESFHS is. could you please explain. Jim See my other email for instructions on the ANESFHS MI Index [ANESFHS = Aberdeen & North East Scotland Family History Society. They publish booklets of MIs for the north east and elsewhere. These are indexed on-line by Gavin Bell at http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ The Kirkyards are listed but I don't know which is in Dunnottar parish. You may have to plough through them. Unfortunately there are now two threads going in parallel on this subject. My other email is possibly all wrong but the Chelsea Pensioner, the Shoemaker and the Gardener may all be different people. You may need to invest quite a bit in Scotland's People [like maybe 50-60 credits] to have a look at the various death certificates - maybe for every one of these folk who were alive after 1855. You could check with Ancestry but it is notably fallible with Scottish Records. Far better to invest in ScP in my view. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

On 11 February 2010 14:39, Alex. Gray <gray1939@btinternet.com> wrote: > Re ... Stonehaven, ... entries for the town are split between the Parishes of Fetteresso & Dunnottar. ___________________________ Thanks Alex. I'm unfamiliar with KCD and assumed Stonehaven would be a parish in its own right! Silly me. Jim >From Alex's steer, I've now found William in 1841 living with Ann at High St Stonehaven .He is shown as 55 and Ann as 60 which suggests she was older than him - although they may both have been born at either end of 1781 as the 1841 Census was taken in June. In 1851 William seems to be widowed and living in Old Machar with his daughter Ann. [assuming this it the right man]. If this is so then Ann CULLEN will have died in the 1841-1851 period and her death will not have been registered. This isn't to say her death has "fallen into a records hole", just that there was no obligation for it to be recorded so it probably wasn't. Unfortunate but there it is. If you want to trawl through the MIs to see if there is a stone commemorating them, go to Gavin's site at http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ Click on "Surname Search" Enter LUMSDEN and click on "Literal" and then step down the kirkyards looking for Williams If there is an MI with a William LUMSDEN and an Ann LUMSDEN/CULLEN on the same stone you may have hit pay dirt. Hope you have a good holiday and this will wait for your return. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Hi Sandy, It has been a promotion in the Australian and I "presume" New Zealand newspapers. The code of SMH would possibly represent the "Sydney Morning Herald". All authentic through the Ancestral Scotland website which has only 2 options for place of abode, Aus or NZ. The postcodes of Aus towns differ considerably to those of the northern hemisphere. Regards to both you and Cathy, Jenny

I just successfully did it on the link that Pauline sent http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ You need to do several things - you join up to ancestral scotland first using the code smh. They send you an email with a code. You then join Scotlands People and they send an email with password etc. After you log in to SP you will see your credit balance up in the top right hand corner. Open that and right at the bottom in the voucher section enter the code from the first email. Bingo. 30 credits. Robyn Sydney On 11 February 2010 15:43, Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Pauline > > Is the Promo Code only available in the SMH or in other papers as well. > > Joan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Lyons"

cheyne from monquhitter www.tribalpages.com/tribes/rodibain

Boy that web site is great ! Now I know what MI means. Jim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:49 PM To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > On 11 February 2010 23:40, Jim Lumsden <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> I do not know what dunnottars MI means or what ANESFHS is. could you >> please explain. > > Jim > > See my other email for instructions on the ANESFHS MI Index > [ANESFHS = Aberdeen & North East Scotland Family History Society. They > publish booklets of MIs for the north east and elsewhere. These are > indexed on-line by Gavin Bell at > http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ The Kirkyards are listed but I > don't know which is in Dunnottar parish. You may have to plough > through them. > > Unfortunately there are now two threads going in parallel on this > subject. My other email is possibly all wrong but the Chelsea > Pensioner, the Shoemaker and the Gardener may all be different people. > You may need to invest quite a bit in Scotland's People [like maybe > 50-60 credits] to have a look at the various death certificates - > maybe for every one of these folk who were alive after 1855. > > You could check with Ancestry but it is notably fallible with Scottish > Records. Far better to invest in ScP in my view. > > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** >>From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes he is my great grand father and I have everything on his family back to me. He and his wife lived in Stonehaven until their deaths so I expect his father too died there. My guess is that James brothers must have died as infants as there is nothing on Ancestry or LDS or Scotlands people after their birth. James was a shoemaker and was born~1820 and died in stonehaven in 1882. Thanks and I will be back in 2 weeks. The help is great. Jim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad and Jen" <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:21 PM To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > Jim, > > Have you located James LUMSDEN in the 1861 or later census? Do you have > any > other information on James such as his marriage, children, death date and > place etc. Like to help but need more input! > > Cheers, > Jen. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lumsden" <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > > >> Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 >> (rounded >> up by 5s. in c1851 dunnottar image William is 71 and a Chelsea pensioner >> and >> (a shoemaker) and was born in Banff. Ann is 73 and born in moray >> edinkillen. >> Using Ancestry I looked at the 81 year old William in Aberdeenshire c1861 >> but his profession was Gardener. There has to be some way to find >> William. >> Jim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I paid for Williams birth record from SP and so far have no use for the witness names. I am down to 2 points so I will check Alexanders record when I get back from a 2 week trip. I do not know what dunnottars MI means or what ANESFHS is. could you please explain. Thanks Jim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad and Jen" <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:00 PM To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > Hi Jim, > > How'd you go with William and Alexander LUMSDEN's baptismal entries - any > witnesses listed? > > Both William LUMSDEN and Ann CALLUM may have died between 1851 and 1855. > Have you checked to see if they have an inscription in Dunnottar MI's > published by ANESFHS? > > Jen. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lumsden" <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > > >> Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 >> (rounded >> up by 5s. in c1851 dunnottar image William is 71 and a Chelsea pensioner >> and >> (a shoemaker) and was born in Banff. Ann is 73 and born in moray >> edinkillen. >> Using Ancestry I looked at the 81 year old William in Aberdeenshire c1861 >> but his profession was Gardener. There has to be some way to find >> William. >> Jim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sandy, Not just your personal opinion...I share it with you and we won't be the only two who think that way. Tom ;> In case of misunderstanding regarding my earlier post I was referring to > non AUS & NZ residents taking advantage of a promotion that is clearly not > intended for Worldwide use.  Using the post code of others in a promotion > usually means that the rightful owner will be denied from using it. > Maybe I'm being overzealous but I'm giving my personal opinion.  As I said > I'm not comfortable with any situation where some individual gain is > derived by misrepresentation. > > In this particular instance I would anticipate that SP would be inclined > to withdraw this type of promotion if it is abused.. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content > by the SmallWorld MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the SmallWorld MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------------------------

Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 (rounded up by 5s. in c1851 dunnottar image William is 71 and a Chelsea pensioner and (a shoemaker) and was born in Banff. Ann is 73 and born in moray edinkillen. Using Ancestry I looked at the 81 year old William in Aberdeenshire c1861 but his profession was Gardener. There has to be some way to find William. Jim -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alex. Gray Sent: February-11-10 9:40 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland There is no Record of the death of Ann LUMSDEN/CALLUM of any age in the whole of Scotland after 1855. You didn't give her age/DoB and I can't find them on the 1841 Census on FreeCEN [which doesn't have Stonehaven!]. I'd guess she died before 1855. Hi Ray, Re your above comment regarding Stonehaven, you will find that entries for the town are split between the Parishes of Fetteresso & Dunnottar. It would appear that the Stonehaven addresses are entered as Fetteresso-Stonehvn in the Fetteresso index and in the Dunnottar one you have to open up the index entry to locate Stonehaven addresses and they are entered as "street name - Stonehaven". Alex. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pauline Is the Promo Code only available in the SMH or in other papers as well. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Lyons" > Hi > > There is currently an offer for 30 free credits in aussie papers. > > http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ > > is the site. You will need to put in an Aussie postcode to be successful. > > Suitable numbers are > > 3174 > 2801 > 2000 > 2287 > 3805 > > It takes about a day for them to send you the code. > > regards > Pauline > > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 634 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Jim, because I have CHEYNE from Monquhitter Parish in my Tree, I have just Googled CHEYNE Family Tree. There is an extensive Web Site shows the family , with Transcriptions of Baptisms, also Census information. It does not seem to say who the Researcher is, however, the info' resembles that sent to me from a Cheyne family something like, 18 or so, years ago. I did not look for your Cheyne names, but it is quite possible that they are there. I think that the original Researcher died, & his son continued with the amazing amount of Research. Mary -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lumsden Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:25 p.m. To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] 59 Chapel Street Thank you for your reply. A few months ago I received a printout of a Cheyne family tree that seems to have disappeared from rootsweb ? It showed a generation of Lumsdens in Banff with A father William and a son William b 2 April 1779. My GG grandfather was born in Gamrie around 1780. (census info) He married Ann Callum there in 1816 and had a son William in 1809 in Gamrie. The Cheyne printout says William's death was in 1804. Is this solid ? Your Chapel street question refers to Stonehaven I assume. I can not answer that question but I recently "walked" down high street there with google street view and it was great. Can you guide me to the cheyne family tree ? Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Evans Sent: February-10-10 5:04 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] 59 Chapel Street Hello, I am wondering what was at 59 Chapel Street in 1851 and also 1912. I had a 5th great uncle Gordon CHEYNE who was living there with his wife on the 1851 census. 61 years later in 1912, James WRAIGHT the estranged husband of Gordon's grand niece Mary Ann CHEYNE died there. I was there in 2001 and if the numbering is the same, it is now a carpark. It maybe just a coincidence but I was wondering what type of establishment was there in 1851 and 1912. I would appreciate any help or information. Regards Wendy in Queensland, Australia __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4856 (20100210) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

In case of misunderstanding regarding my earlier post I was referring to non AUS & NZ residents taking advantage of a promotion that is clearly not intended for Worldwide use.  Using the post code of others in a promotion usually means that the rightful owner will be denied from using it. Maybe I'm being overzealous but I'm giving my personal opinion.  As I said I'm not comfortable with any situation where some individual gain is derived by misrepresentation. In this particular instance I would anticipate that SP would be inclined to withdraw this type of promotion if it is abused..

Hi Jim, Have you viewed the baptismal entries on Scotlandspeople for William LUMSDEN and Ann CALLUM's sons, William b.1809 and Alexander b.1824 and are there any witnesses listed? Often witnesses at baptisms were relatives so these entries would be worth a look. Jen.

There is no Record of the death of Ann LUMSDEN/CALLUM of any age in the whole of Scotland after 1855. You didn't give her age/DoB and I can't find them on the 1841 Census on FreeCEN [which doesn't have Stonehaven!]. I'd guess she died before 1855. Hi Ray, Re your above comment regarding Stonehaven, you will find that entries for the town are split between the Parishes of Fetteresso & Dunnottar. It would appear that the Stonehaven addresses are entered as Fetteresso-Stonehvn in the Fetteresso index and in the Dunnottar one you have to open up the index entry to locate Stonehaven addresses and they are entered as "street name - Stonehaven". Alex.

Offering an Australian postal code in order that a non Australian can get in on a freeby consititutes a fraud. Surely no son or daughter of St Piran would be guilty of such a thing. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: <tcgtroon@smallworldmail.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Free credits on scotlands people > Sandy, > Not just your personal opinion...I share it with you and we won't be the > only two who think that way. > Tom > > ;> In case of misunderstanding regarding my earlier post I was referring > to >> non AUS & NZ residents taking advantage of a promotion that is clearly >> not >> intended for Worldwide use. Using the post code of others in a promotion >> usually means that the rightful owner will be denied from using it. >> Maybe I'm being overzealous but I'm giving my personal opinion. As I said >> I'm not comfortable with any situation where some individual gain is >> derived by misrepresentation. >> >> In this particular instance I would anticipate that SP would be inclined >> to withdraw this type of promotion if it is abused.. >>

Hi There is currently an offer for 30 free credits in aussie papers. http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ is the site. You will need to put in an Aussie postcode to be successful. Suitable numbers are 3174 2801 2000 2287 3805 It takes about a day for them to send you the code. regards Pauline

On 11 February 2010 04:26, Jim Lumsden <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> wrote: > ... I did not look at those SP records because I did not want to use 10 points based on past experiences. I think I will do that since I am now scratching for details. The 2 marriage documents were worth viewing. ... ___________________________________ Hi again Jim In my experience you have - perhaps luckily - approached the OPR records the wrong way round. Baptisms are usually far more valuable than marriage entries. Marriage entries very often only record the two names and, if one is from elsewhere, occasionally another parish. If you got more from OPR marriage entries then that was fortunate. As Jen says, baptismal entries often have extra information, sometimes even a gold brick. We once found an entry which said one witness was the grandfather of the child. It got us another generation for free! But in several cases witnesses were siblings of the parents, and some were actually named as such. This provided valuable evidence for identifying the next generation. I hope the William LUMSDEN I found in Scotland's People is yours. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Ann Callum was born within a few years off 1780 in Edinkillen Moray Scotland Other than the one possible William in 1861 it seems that both Ann and William's deaths have fallen into a records hole. What is this index you are talking about ? Are there any cemetery records available to your knowledge? Having asked these questions I am embarrassed to say I may not be able to respond from Feb 12 to 24 as I take a first holiday south in a very long time. Thank you very much for your help on this problem. Jim -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alex. Gray Sent: February-11-10 9:40 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland There is no Record of the death of Ann LUMSDEN/CALLUM of any age in the whole of Scotland after 1855. You didn't give her age/DoB and I can't find them on the 1841 Census on FreeCEN [which doesn't have Stonehaven!]. I'd guess she died before 1855. Hi Ray, Re your above comment regarding Stonehaven, you will find that entries for the town are split between the Parishes of Fetteresso & Dunnottar. It would appear that the Stonehaven addresses are entered as Fetteresso-Stonehvn in the Fetteresso index and in the Dunnottar one you have to open up the index entry to locate Stonehaven addresses and they are entered as "street name - Stonehaven". Alex. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really, I thought SMH was the code - I put that in. I guess I'll see what happens. Tammy Robyn Horan wrote: > I just successfully did it on the link that Pauline sent > http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ > > You need to do several things - you join up to ancestral scotland > first using the code smh. They send you an email with a code. You then > join Scotlands People and they send an email with password etc. After > you log in to SP you will see your credit balance up in the top right > hand corner. Open that and right at the bottom in the voucher section > enter the code from the first email. Bingo. 30 credits. > > Robyn > Sydney > > On 11 February 2010 15:43, Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pauline >> >> Is the Promo Code only available in the SMH or in other papers as well. >> >> Joan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline Lyons" >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >