Thanks for that explanation, Gavin. I'm not sure how secret you want your last comment to be but that's just between us - and the few thousand on the list. We are unsure how devious James BISHOP was but there's food for thought in all this. We'll carry on searching. Thanks again. Ray -------------------------------------------- On 19 February 2010 17:44, Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> wrote: > Ray Hennessy wrote: >> ... James BISHOP married Mary Ann MELDRUM of Ellon in Chicago in 1874 and they had a daughter, Margaret BISHOP in 1876 in Richmond Illinois. >> >> Mary Ann and Margaret were back in Ellon by 1881 without James and we have been unable to discover anything about him.  The family story is that he was left behind in the US but, as  we can't find him for certain on any US Census, we are wondering if he returned to Scotland [if indeed he came from Scotland!!]. >> >> There are several James BISHOPs in the later Scottish Censuses but the likely ones are saying they are married and have children so this is our question: >> >> If James came to Scotland and lived with another woman, could they be known as "Married with Habit and Repute"? > > Possibly.  But in those non-computerised days, there was probably very little to prevent him actually claiming to be single (or widowed) and going through a normal marriage ceremony. > >> If so, would this be bigamy? > > You would need an expert in marriage under Scots Law to be certain, but I have always supposed that, while "habit and repute" would normally give grounds to assert that a marriage had been constituted, there might > be a degree of "wriggle-room" if that marriage had not been in some way officially homologated. > > Persons entering into a marriage "by declaration" were (from 1855) under an obligation to report the event to the relevant Registrar, but couldn't do this in their own right.  Instead they had to trot along to the local Sheriff Court where they would be quizzed as to (a) whether they were free to marry each other and (b) whether a declaration had taken place.  If satisfied, the Sheriff would issue a "Warrant" that they could take to the Registrar. > > I don't know whether there was some equivalent procedure for "habit and repute" parties to get their administrative position clarified, but if the matter had not previously been put to some kind of legal test, then the Gay Lothario could always claim that he had just been living in sin, so that there was no actual bigamy. > > Well, that's how I would play it ....

Hi Gavin, Yes, on Isobel's death certificate in 1860 it states she was a widow. I have searched all death entries from 1855 - 1860 in Aberdeen and in Aberdeen City and there were only 2 entries, 1 in Lumphanan but the age was wrong and the other from St. Nicholas wasn't him. I have also searched the OPR entries from 1841 - 1854 in Aberdeen and Aberdeen City and there are 12 entries. Of these I have checked 2 records in Aberdeen, 1 record in Peterhead and 2 records in Old Machar. The other 7 are from Longside, Strichen, Turriff and Kintore so for me it is a case of eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Then of course he may have died somewhere other than Aberdeen. His occupation was journeyman tailor. The information on John Knox comes from both Isobel's and Francis' death entries in the statutory registers. Thanks for your help, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] TAYLOR and GRANT > If Isobel survived until 1855, then her entry in the Register of Deaths > should state whether, at that time, she was a wife or widow. Equally, > it might be worth checking for Alexander's death in case he, too, made > it past 1855. > > Incidentally, I note that neither Isobel nor Francis appear in the index > to the Memorial Inscriptions for John Knox, so I presume your > information comes from the burial records - do these make no mention of > Alexander?

Ray Hennessy wrote: > This has raised a query for us. We are looking for a James BISHOP, > Sheena's great-grandfather. He married Mary Ann MELDRUM of Ellon in > Chicago in 1874 and they had a daughter, Margaret BISHOP in 1876 in > Richmond Illinois. > > Mary Ann and Margaret were back in Ellon by 1881 without James and we > have been unable to discover anything about him. the family story is > that he was left behind in the US but, as we can't find him for > certain on any US Census, we are wondering if he returned to Scotland > [if indeed he came from Scotland!!]. > > There are several James BISHOPs in the later Scottish Censuses but the > likely ones are saying they are married and have children so this is > our question: > > If James came to Scotland and lived with another woman, could they be > known as "Married with Habit and Repute"? Possibly. But in those non-computerised days, there was probably very little to prevent him actually claiming to be single (or widowed) and going through a normal marriage ceremony. > If so, would this be bigamy? You would need an expert in marriage under Scots Law to be certain, but I have always supposed that, while "habit and repute" would normally give grounds to assert that a marriage had been constituted, there might be a degree of "wriggle-room" if that marriage had not been in some way officially homologated. Persons entering into a marriage "by declaration" were (from 1855) under an obligation to report the event to the relevant Registrar, but couldn't do this in their own right. Instead they had to trot along to the local Sheriff Court where they would be quizzed as to (a) whether they were free to marry each other and (b) whether a declaration had taken place. If satisfied, the Sheriff would issue a "Warrant" that they could take to the Registrar. I don't know whether there was some equivalent procedure for "habit and repute" parties to get their administrative position clarified, but if the matter had not previously been put to some kind of legal test, then the Gay Lothario could always claim that he had just been living in sin, so that there was no actual bigamy. Well, that's how I would play it .... G

On 19 February 2010 16:48, Gavin Bell in reply to ADELINE MARTIN wrote: > ... One of the forms of "Irregular Marriage" was (and still is - when the other forms were abolished in 1940, this remained in force), namely "Marriage with Habit and Repute".  This means that, if you live for a period of time just as if you were man and wife, and are generally accepted as such, then Scots Law considers that you ARE married. ...  ____________________________________ Gavin, This has raised a query for us. We are looking for a James BISHOP, Sheena's great-grandfather. He married Mary Ann MELDRUM of Ellon in Chicago in 1874 and they had a daughter, Margaret BISHOP in 1876 in Richmond Illinois. Mary Ann and Margaret were back in Ellon by 1881 without James and we have been unable to discover anything about him. the family story is that he was left behind in the US but, as we can't find him for certain on any US Census, we are wondering if he returned to Scotland [if indeed he came from Scotland!!]. There are several James BISHOPs in the later Scottish Censuses but the likely ones are saying they are married and have children so this is our question: If James came to Scotland and lived with another woman, could they be known as "Married with Habit and Repute"? If so, would this be bigamy? So far we haven't examined the various marriages nor the birth certificates of the children as it could be a very costly search. We hope the fiche records in Aberdeen, which we'll see in June, will show some details of the marriages and births involved so that we can then decide which certificates to pay for. Advice please?? -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From                                      Ray Hennessy Forenames website:                www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address:         ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at   http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

MISS ADELINE MARTIN wrote: > Re- Taylor,Grant and Gavin's comment about info. on Death Reg. > > I have a Death Reg. for the father of my Gt.Grandmother's sister's 5 > children who all had their father's last name. They lived together > from 1889 until his death in 1904. On the 1891 & 1901 Census she is > listed as his housekeeper.Scotlandspeople Death Reg. of his death she > was named as his wife and the Death informant was his sister > occupier of the home where he died. In 1920 she moved to Canada with > her 4 daughters and died at the age of 98 but was never married or > used his name. I suspect that, whatever she may have thought, she WAS married under Scots Law! One of the forms of "Irregular Marriage" was (and still is - when the other forms were abolished in 1940, this remained in force), namely "Marriage with Habit and Repute". This means that, if you live for a period of time just as if you were man and wife, and are generally accepted as such, then Scots Law considers that you ARE married. The fact that his sister was happy to report him as married suggests that they were so regarded by those around them. Gavin Bell

Looking for anyone researching Alexander TAYLOR born abt 1806 in Aberdeenshire, who married Isobel GRANT 30 Aug 1829 in Rhynie, Aberdeenshire. Isobel b. 1797 in Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, daughter of Francis and Jean GRANT, died 07 Mar 1860 Old Machar, Aberdeen.. Alexander TAYLOR and Isobel GRANT had the following children all born in Rhynie, Aberdeenshire - Elisa b. 1830; John b. 1832; Francis b. 1835 m. Mary Ross 07 Jul 1854 Aberdeen d. 30 Mar 1858 St. Nicholas, Aberdeen; Lewis b.1838 m. Mary Ann Stewart 15 Sep 1859 St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. I have been able to locate this family in the 1841 & 1851 census in Gerrard Street, Aberdeen but in the 1851 census Isobel is still married but no Alexander listed. I haven't been able to find a death date for Alexander yet. Isobel and Francis were buried in John Knox cemetery. Any help greatly appreciated, Jen.

Brad and Jen wrote: > Looking for anyone researching Alexander TAYLOR born abt 1806 in > Aberdeenshire, who married Isobel GRANT 30 Aug 1829 in Rhynie, > Aberdeenshire. Isobel b. 1797 in Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, daughter of > Francis and Jean GRANT, died 07 Mar 1860 Old Machar, Aberdeen.. > > Alexander TAYLOR and Isobel GRANT had the following children all born > in Rhynie, Aberdeenshire - Elisa b. 1830; John b. 1832; Francis b. > 1835 m. Mary Ross 07 Jul 1854 Aberdeen d. 30 Mar 1858 St. Nicholas, > Aberdeen; Lewis b.1838 m. Mary Ann Stewart 15 Sep 1859 St. Nicholas, > Aberdeen. > > I have been able to locate this family in the 1841 & 1851 census in > Gerrard Street, Aberdeen but in the 1851 census Isobel is still > married but no Alexander listed. I haven't been able to find a death > date for Alexander yet. Isobel and Francis were buried in John Knox > cemetery. If Isobel survived until 1855, then her entry in the Register of Deaths should state whether, at that time, she was a wife or widow. Equally, it might be worth checking for Alexander's death in case he, too, made it past 1855. Incidentally, I note that neither Isobel nor Francis appear in the index to the Memorial Inscriptions for John Knox, so I presume your information comes from the burial records - do these make no mention of Alexander? Gavin Bell

Re- Taylor,Grant and Gavin's comment about info. on Death Reg.   I have a Death Reg. for the father of my Gt.Grandmother's sister's  5 children who all had their father's last name. They lived together from 1889 until his death in 1904. On the 1891 & 1901 Census she is listed as his housekeeper.Scotlandspeople Death Reg. of his death she was named as his wife and the Death informant  was his sister occupier of the home where he died. In 1920 she moved to Canada with her 4 daughters and died at the age of 98 but was never married or used his name.   Adeline U.S.A.

Hi Could someone please tell about death notices for Inverallochy, and if someone lookup 2 Robert Duthie Stephen d 28 January 1942 John Stephen d 19 November 1954 Looking for living descendants! Regards Julie Symons NZ

I registered also and got my credits. I didn't fill in any country but then got a message saying I had to choose one of the two offered so checked Australia I used my own Canadian postal code. Kathy On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:56 PM, ann belanger <ann.belanger@powergate.ca>wrote: > When I registered I noticed that it was for NZ and Aust but I just said I > was from Australia and put in my own postal code which is NOT Australian > and > they accepted it > > ANN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:00 AM > Subject: ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re-FREE CREDITS (MISS ADELINE MARTIN) > > 2. Death Notices In Inverallochy (Julie & Neil Symons) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:44:16 -0800 (PST) > > From: MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> > > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re-FREE CREDITS > > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <143084.57391.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > I wonder why Scotlandspeople does not offer free credits to everyone and > > not only to AUS. and NZ. I admit that over the years I have had free > > credits from them as I use the site a lot but thought that they applied > to > > everyone and not just the U.S.A. > > ? > > Adeline > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:51:52 +1300 > > From: "Julie & Neil Symons" <jnsymons@xtra.co.nz> > > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Death Notices In Inverallochy > > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <AEDC981B3CB64CBB87F1EB9090ADC604@winxp> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi > > > > Could someone please tell about death notices for Inverallochy, and if > > someone lookup 2 > > > > Robert Duthie Stephen d 28 January 1942 > > > > John Stephen d 19 November 1954 > > > > Looking for living descendants! > > > > Regards > > > > Julie Symons > > NZ > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to > > ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 > > *************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I registered I noticed that it was for NZ and Aust but I just said I was from Australia and put in my own postal code which is NOT Australian and they accepted it ANN ----- Original Message ----- From: <aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re-FREE CREDITS (MISS ADELINE MARTIN) > 2. Death Notices In Inverallochy (Julie & Neil Symons) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:44:16 -0800 (PST) > From: MISS ADELINE MARTIN <martin8118@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Re-FREE CREDITS > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <143084.57391.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I wonder why Scotlandspeople does not offer free credits to everyone and > not only to AUS. and NZ. I admit that over the years I have had free > credits from them as I use the site a lot but thought that they applied to > everyone and not just the U.S.A. > ? > Adeline > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:51:52 +1300 > From: "Julie & Neil Symons" <jnsymons@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Death Notices In Inverallochy > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AEDC981B3CB64CBB87F1EB9090ADC604@winxp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > Could someone please tell about death notices for Inverallochy, and if > someone lookup 2 > > Robert Duthie Stephen d 28 January 1942 > > John Stephen d 19 November 1954 > > Looking for living descendants! > > Regards > > Julie Symons > NZ > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to > ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 > ***************************************

I wonder why Scotlandspeople does not offer free credits to everyone and not only to AUS. and NZ. I admit that over the years I have had free credits from them as I use the site a lot but thought that they applied to everyone and not just the U.S.A.   Adeline

Hello Is anyone researching the above names in Crathie, Braemar, Aberdeenshire please. I am looking for a marriage of Alexander SHAW to Margaret SCOTT possibly in the Crathie area. Both Alexander & Margaret are buried in Crathie and thanks to a lister I do have their headstone info with Alexander dying in 1859 and Margaret in 1873, however I cannot find a marriage. Their children all baptised at Crathie & Braemar were Ann Shaw b 1827 possible marriage to James Campbell in 1857 Mary Shaw b 1829 William Shaw b 1831 died 1864 Janet Farquharson Shaw b 1833 Alexander Shaw b 1836 died 1851 James Shaw b 1838 Alexander & Margaret were living at Felagie in Crathie on the 1841 & 1851 census. Their daughter Janet/Jane has disappeared by the 1861 census and I am hoping it may be this Jane Farquharson Shaw who has emigrated to Tasmania in 1859 with her 2 year old son Alexander Shaw. Thank you Joan -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 641 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Putting in my UK postcode worked perfectly well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Free credits on scotlands people > Really, I thought SMH was the code - I put that in. I guess I'll see > what happens. > Tammy > > Robyn Horan wrote: >> I just successfully did it on the link that Pauline sent >> http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ >> >> You need to do several things - you join up to ancestral scotland >> first using the code smh. They send you an email with a code. You then >> join Scotlands People and they send an email with password etc. After >> you log in to SP you will see your credit balance up in the top right >> hand corner. Open that and right at the bottom in the voucher section >> enter the code from the first email. Bingo. 30 credits. >> >> Robyn >> Sydney >> >> On 11 February 2010 15:43, Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pauline >>> >>> Is the Promo Code only available in the SMH or in other papers as well. >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline Lyons" >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What did you enter for where you lived? Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Wiseman" <susan.wiseman45@ntlworld.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Free credits on scotlands people > Putting in my UK postcode worked perfectly well > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Free credits on scotlands people > > >> Really, I thought SMH was the code - I put that in. I guess I'll see >> what happens. >> Tammy >> >> Robyn Horan wrote: >>> I just successfully did it on the link that Pauline sent >>> http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ >>> >>> You need to do several things - you join up to ancestral scotland >>> first using the code smh. They send you an email with a code. You then >>> join Scotlands People and they send an email with password etc. After >>> you log in to SP you will see your credit balance up in the top right >>> hand corner. Open that and right at the bottom in the voucher section >>> enter the code from the first email. Bingo. 30 credits. >>> >>> Robyn >>> Sydney >>> >>> On 11 February 2010 15:43, Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pauline >>>> >>>> Is the Promo Code only available in the SMH or in other papers as well. >>>> >>>> Joan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pauline Lyons" >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim - the statement below is wrong! In the 8141 census, the enumerators were instructed to round DOWN all adult ages to the nearest 5-year point. This means that if someone is shown as age 60, their age was actually between 60 and 64; someone shown as 55 was actually between 55 and 59. Gordon. On 11/02/2010 23:51, Jim wrote: > Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 (rounded > up by 5s.

Hi Jim, I'm willing to help you out here but without any information to go on, I can't. If you could give us the witnesses names at the baptisms of William LUMSDEN in 1809 and Alexander LUMSDEN in 1824 when you get back from your holiday, that would be great. Just because the witnesses were not LUMSDEN's or CALLUM's doesn't necessarily mean they are useless. Witnesses at baptisms were often male relatives so if either William or Ann had married sisters, then it is possible their husbands were the witnesses. I always check every witness on Familysearch IGI http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp to see who they married. In your case, if they married a LUMSDEN or CALLUM girl, then bingo you have something to work on. Have a safe trip, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lumsden" <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland >I paid for Williams birth record from SP and so far have no use for the > witness names.

Jim Lumsden wrote: > Boy that web site is great ! Now I know what MI means. Glad you like it - but note that Ray somewhat overstates my role: >>See my other email for instructions on the ANESFHS MI Index >>[ANESFHS = Aberdeen & North East Scotland Family History Society. They >>publish booklets of MIs for the north east and elsewhere. These are >>indexed on-line by Gavin Bell at >>http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ The MIs are the work of generations of members of Aberdeen and Northeast Scotland Family History Society: http://www.anesfhs.org.uk and while I am ultimately resposible for maintaining the MI Index, that, too, is the work of many hands. >>The Kirkyards are listed but I don't know which is in >>Dunnottar parish. You may have to plough through them. You can check the locations of all burial grounds in NE Scotland at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/ The town of Stonehaven is, as already been pointed out, split between the parishes of Dunnottar and Fetteresso, both of whose ancient kirkyards will contain burials from the town. But the parish of Fetteresso additionally contains the burial ground surrounding the ruined church of Cowie, and I imagine some residents of Stonehaven will have been buried there as well. I would also tend to suppose that residents of Stonehave may not always have been buried in the "correct" kirkyard, ie in the parish where they died - families often had burial rights in one specific burial ground, and even if one family member had "emigrated" to the other side of the town, he or she may have been "repatiated" to the burial ground of the parish where the family had a lair. The MIs for Dunnottar are published by ANESFHS with the catalogue number AA127. Cowie MIs are published as AA117. There are unpublished draft MIs for Fetteresso, and ANESFHS members can request lookups. Gavin Bell

Jim, Have you located James LUMSDEN in the 1861 or later census? Do you have any other information on James such as his marriage, children, death date and place etc. Like to help but need more input! Cheers, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lumsden" <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 > (rounded > up by 5s. in c1851 dunnottar image William is 71 and a Chelsea pensioner > and > (a shoemaker) and was born in Banff. Ann is 73 and born in moray > edinkillen. > Using Ancestry I looked at the 81 year old William in Aberdeenshire c1861 > but his profession was Gardener. There has to be some way to find William. > Jim

Hi Jim, How'd you go with William and Alexander LUMSDEN's baptismal entries - any witnesses listed? Both William LUMSDEN and Ann CALLUM may have died between 1851 and 1855. Have you checked to see if they have an inscription in Dunnottar MI's published by ANESFHS? Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lumsden" <jim.lumsden@sympatico.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Lumsden in Stonehaven Scotland > Reviewing my records in c1841 dunnottar Ann is 60 and William is 55 > (rounded > up by 5s. in c1851 dunnottar image William is 71 and a Chelsea pensioner > and > (a shoemaker) and was born in Banff. Ann is 73 and born in moray > edinkillen. > Using Ancestry I looked at the 81 year old William in Aberdeenshire c1861 > but his profession was Gardener. There has to be some way to find William. > Jim