Thanks for all the replies concerning Saint Nicholas. :sjl

Hello, Legacy will do a "treetops" report. For anybody who has a package that allows users to write their own queries , a good starting point query would be something like - "Find all of the people in the database who have no parents" - Depending upon the structure of the database, this could be easy or difficult, you could add some refinements for your own particular database, however what I've suggested should give a good starting point. Regards Bill On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Alexander Bisset <A-Bisset@aberdeen-harbour.co.uk> wrote: > > I have however got a "treetops" report on my list of things to add to my FT Analysis program I'm writing. This little program takes a Gedcom 5.0 or 5.5 file and produces various reports. At present they are lists of "loose deaths" (people who you know death information for but their death entry hasn't got that data explicitly recorded), lists of locations sorted by country, region(county/state), parish etc. Lists of people at those locations. Lists of people who according to your Gedcom may have been alive at a specific date but for whom you have no census info. This is particularly useful for remembering to add people to http://www.lostcousins.com etc. > > A "treetops" report is on my to do list this is a list of all the people who are direct ancestors at the top of your tree. Effectively a treetops report would list all of your most distant direct ancestors you have found for every branch of your tree. This would not do what the original poster asked but it might at least make the process of producing the manual reports somewhat easier as you'd have a list of who to start your reports from. > > -- > Alexander Bisset > IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Forsberg > Sent: 10 March 2010 01:47 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > > Hi all, > > I have the  PAF 5 version and it works just fine - will do all you > ask.  This is free from the IGI.  I am running on a older version of > Windows (can't remember what it is called - a "senior's moment" I'm > afraid).  It is not Vista - the one before it.  PAF 5 and its upgrades > will produce beautiful "modified registers" for anyone in the > database. > > Cheers, > > Carol > > On 10 March 2010 09:59, Gordon McLeod <gordon@shieldaig.com> wrote: >> One thing to consider, whichever, software you use is whether or not your >> Windows operating system is 64bit or 32bit.  Many of the older programs work >> if you installed or had installed Windows 7 32bit but don't worked at all if >> you install Windows 7 64bit. >> >> Gordon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Isobel Davidson >> Sent: March-09-10 3:34 PM >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> I have windows 7 and, because I have never liked FTM2008 tried the previous >> version first - which doesn't work on vista.  Works perfectly on Windows 7 >> so I am now very happy! >> >> Isobel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of ann zeman >> Sent: 09 March 2010 21:57 >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> I just got a new laptop with Windows 7; found my Family Tree Maker software >> wasn't compatible; contacted the FTM company to see if there was a software >> patch; NO, there wasn't. I had to buy a new Family Tree Maker, which I >> installed, However! It won't open any of my old FTM files. >> Big sigh. I have to wait to have a free 4 or 5 hours (and a quiet mind) to >> try to phone FTM back and see if there's a solution. Isn't technology >> interesting. >> Ann Z >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M Keith Abel" <kabel@kingston.net> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> >>> Dear Colin: >>> >>> I am using a program which will do exactly as you describe but I suspect >>> it >>> is all obsolete now.  The Genealogy Program was Personal Ancestral File >>> Version 2.3 >>> >>> A program called "Pafability" written by an American Woman,   I believe in >>> Washington DC,   was capable of reading the files produced by PAF 3 and >>> assembling fully and beautifully worded reports beginning with anyone of >>> your choosing.   Unfortunately Paf 3 would not work with any version of >>> Windows and as far as I know, the versions of PAF that do work with >>> Windows >>> have a different File Structure and don't work with Pafability. >>> >>> A complication of my own:   the printer that works on the computer with my >>> genealogy program has gone into a sulk and won't print anything.  I think >>> all it needs is a cleaning out but I haven't found anyone to clean out an >>> antique printer. >>> >>> Perhaps someone out there knows if the newer versions of PAF that operate >>> with Windows have the very fine report generating capability that >>> "Pafability" had. >>> >>> M Keith Abel >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> >>> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; <angus@rootsweb.com>; <sct-fife@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:51 PM >>> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >>> >>> >>> > Some years ago I had a family tree program which could generate >>> > descendant >>> > reports for my entire database automatically. 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Help,Looking for info on 1/ Jane Napier b.abt.1818 Fyvie,Aberdeen ,daughter of James Napier and Ann Wison possible marriage to Baswell Sangster or ? Sangster left Scotland for Canada the 2 of them and daughter Jane Sangster between 1841-1865 .In canada they had Isabella Sangster and James Sangster,between

Many registration districts in Scotland are based on the parishes of the Church of Scotland and have the same name. There is/was a registration district in Aberdeen called St Nicholas basically the parish, but there isn't a town by that name nor as far as I'm aware an official locality. As Ray says, Gavin, as a local. will be able to answer in more detail Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Adams" <vkadams@cox.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] -- SPAM -- Re: Saint Nicholas > My Grandmother was born in St. Nicholas and I know that she wasn't born in > the church. It is probably both. Usually, the IGI records the Parish > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:13 PM > Subject: -- SPAM -- Re: [ABERDEEN] Saint Nicholas > > >> On 12 March 2010 00:57, Virginia Adams <vkadams@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. >>> >> >> I don't think so, Virginia, but Gavin will doubtless put us straight in >> the >> morning. >> >> I think St Nicholas is one of two parishes which make up the City of >> Aberdeen. I am fairly sure St Nicolas parish is the centre of Aberdeen, >> half surrounded on the north and west by Old Machar parish but I may be >> wrong. Genuki has a lot about it, including defining the boundaries; see >> http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdeen/description.html >> >> This is one quote worth extracting: >> "St. Nicholas, or City Parish, ... comprehends the ancient Royalty..." >> >> -- >> Best wishes >> >> Ray >> >> ********************************************************** >>>From Ray Hennessy >> Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net >> Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net >> Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP >> ********************************************************** >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi St Nicholas is a church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_of_St_Nicholas,_Aberdeen Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Adams" <vkadams@cox.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Saint Nicholas > > St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. > > >> If it says on the IGI that they were christened at SAINT >> NICHOLAS.......... >> >> They are referring to the CHURCH, right? >> >> Saint Nicholas, ISN'T a place? Is it? >> >> They were born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland???? >> >> Sorry, probably a dumb question, but unfortunately DON'T know the answer. >> >> Thanks >> >> :sjl >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting idea Geln. On import of the Gedcom I already flag every individual as "Direct", "Blood", "Marriage", "Married to Direct or Blood" (for wives and husbands of directs/bloods but not their families) and "Unknown". So creating a fact listing by date and filtering by relation type would be trivial. If anyone wants to see what I've done so far I've hosted it at http://ftanalyzer.codeplex.com Remember this is NOT a family tree data entry program, instead it takes your existing tree that you export from your existing program as a Gedcom file. It then analyzes that file and produces various reports to assist in what to research. The Census reports - listing who you have still to find on a census, and the Lost Cousins report - who you have found but not yet entered; are the two most useful ones at present. Although the locations report - checking you have been consistent in entering location names (ie: it spotted my Aberdeeenshrie's I'd mistakenly typed) and the "loose death" report - checking if you know data about someone's death but haven't updated their death date to reflect that; are very useful in ensuring that data is consistent and free of simple errors. I'd be really interested to hear any comments, suggestions or problems with the program from anyone that tries it, but please contact me directly or use the programs' website, don't fill up this list with questions or comments that the majority of people won't be interested in. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board -----Original Message----- From: Glen Bodie [mailto:glen@glenbodie.com] Sent: 12 March 2010 04:00 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com; Alexander Bisset Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software One of things that the dBase format easily allowed me to do was to import the whole FT database into Access and run my own reports. No need to write a GEDCOM parser. One of my favourites was a list of all (or selected) events sorted by date. I could look at any day of the year and see that my 5th cousin 2 times removed was married that day (for example). With 45k names in the database I think have every day of the year as a birthday or anniversary of some sort. I never figured out the easiest way to limit the events to only direct ancestors, but that's just a little more fiddling with it if I had the time. I haven't seen that kind of report anywhere, and have not suggested it to the RM4 programmers, but if you were looking for ideas .... <grin>. ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com

Virginia Adams wrote: > St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. No. It is the name of the old city parish. There is not, and has never been, a town of that name. Gavin Bell

Sharon & Robin LAMB wrote: > If it says on the IGI that they were christened at SAINT NICHOLAS.......... > > They are referring to the CHURCH, right? > > Saint Nicholas, ISN'T a place? Is it? > > They were born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland? To amplify what Ray has already posted: Until the middle of the 18th century, the parish of St Nicholas almost exactly coincided with the territory of the Royal Burgh of Aberdeen, so baptisms, marriages, and (some) deaths will be found in the Old Parochial Registers for St Nicholas. From the later 18th century, the Royal Burgh started spreading beyond the boundaries of St Nicholas, and consequently (as Ray states) the western and southern parts of the town lay within the parish of Old Machar. In 1891, the City of Aberdeen officially spread to take in parts of the Kincardineshire parish of Nigg, and the Aberdeeshire parish of Newhills. To complicate matters, the parish of Old Machar also contained the Burgh of Old Aberdeen, which lay about a mile and a half away to the north, and which was a completely separate town until 1891. There are additional complications concerning a short-lived subdivision of St Nicholas parish, but the above is probably enough to be going on with. Gavin Bell

Hi Leon, Disregard if you've already tried this: I have not upgraded to the newest version of FTM, but perhaps this might work for you --- if the functionality is still there: >From the menu bar, choose Contents Custom If you have a very large database, this may take a few moments to come up. I have 25,000+ and it took about a minute for the program to go through its Sort process. Once the report is on-screen, from the menu bar again choose Contents, then choose Items to Include in Report. You should get a pop-up box which lists all of the Available Items on the left, and items currently on display on the right. When finished, click OK. Next, choose Format from the menu bar then choose Sort Report. You get another pop-up box which allows you to choose two sort items. For your needs, you would choose Name in the upper box, then Birth Date in the lower. Click OK. Not as quick as using the Index of Individuals, but a work-around nonetheless. Regards, Deb O'Reilly Midlothian, Virginia USA A&NESFHS #13005 WorldConnect at Rootsweb/Ancestry.com: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dcoreilly Researching the Grassick and related families of Aberdeenshire ------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:03:00 -0600 From: "Leon O Kearns" <lokearns@marktwain.net> Subject: [ABERDEEN] FTM 2010 To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <EA901BC1CA3F448AB839FE873C80B74D@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you open up People at the top of the page and then look at the area where it says Index: XXXXX and to the left is a small house and next to that is three lines with a very tiny arrow. Click on that and a dropdown will allow you to list how you want them displayed ie, by birth, or death, or marriage. I have used FTM since the company that developed it in eastern Iowa put it on the market. I had to upgrade from FTM 11.0 after upgrading to Win 7 because I could not print a report. I still have my old FTM 11.0 on my harddrive so if I think I have a need to check something I can go back to it. Leon

On 12 March 2010 00:57, Virginia Adams <vkadams@cox.net> wrote: > > St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. > I don't think so, Virginia, but Gavin will doubtless put us straight in the morning. I think St Nicholas is one of two parishes which make up the City of Aberdeen. I am fairly sure St Nicolas parish is the centre of Aberdeen, half surrounded on the north and west by Old Machar parish but I may be wrong. Genuki has a lot about it, including defining the boundaries; see http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdeen/description.html This is one quote worth extracting: "St. Nicholas, or City Parish, ... comprehends the ancient Royalty..." -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Alexander - my preference has always been to use FT programs that run on non-proprietary database formats. I migrated onto Family Origins a long time ago because of the standard dBase file structure and have followed them to RootsMagic (now at V4). I highly recommend the program (and this group of programmers) for 1 - already having a pretty good selection of reports, and 2 - for being quite responsive to user suggestions. One of things that the dBase format easily allowed me to do was to import the whole FT database into Access and run my own reports. No need to write a GEDCOM parser. One of my favourites was a list of all (or selected) events sorted by date. I could look at any day of the year and see that my 5th cousin 2 times removed was married that day (for example). With 45k names in the database I think have every day of the year as a birthday or anniversary of some sort. I never figured out the easiest way to limit the events to only direct ancestors, but that's just a little more fiddling with it if I had the time. I haven't seen that kind of report anywhere, and have not suggested it to the RM4 programmers, but if you were looking for ideas .... <grin>. Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:42:07 +0000 From: Alexander Bisset <A-Bisset@aberdeen-harbour.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software To: "aberdeen@rootsweb.com" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> <snip> I have however got a "treetops" report on my list of things to add to my FT Analysis program I'm writing. This little program takes a Gedcom 5.0 or 5.5 file and produces various reports. At present they are lists of "loose deaths" (people who you know death information for but their death entry hasn't got that data explicitly recorded), lists of locations sorted by country, region(county/state), parish etc. Lists of people at those locations. Lists of people who according to your Gedcom may have been alive at a specific date but for whom you have no census info. This is particularly useful for remembering to add people to http://www.lostcousins.com etc. A "treetops" report is on my to do list this is a list of all the people who are direct ancestors at the top of your tree. Effectively a treetops report would list all of your most distant direct ancestors you have found for every branch of your tree. This would not do what the original poster asked but it might at least make the process of producing the manual reports somewhat easier as you'd have a list of who to start your reports from. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board

My Grandmother was born in St. Nicholas and I know that she wasn't born in the church. It is probably both. Usually, the IGI records the Parish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: -- SPAM -- Re: [ABERDEEN] Saint Nicholas > On 12 March 2010 00:57, Virginia Adams <vkadams@cox.net> wrote: > >> >> St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. >> > > I don't think so, Virginia, but Gavin will doubtless put us straight in > the > morning. > > I think St Nicholas is one of two parishes which make up the City of > Aberdeen. I am fairly sure St Nicolas parish is the centre of Aberdeen, > half surrounded on the north and west by Old Machar parish but I may be > wrong. Genuki has a lot about it, including defining the boundaries; see > http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdeen/description.html > > This is one quote worth extracting: > "St. Nicholas, or City Parish, ... comprehends the ancient Royalty..." > > -- > Best wishes > > Ray > > ********************************************************** >>From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

St. Nicholas is a town outside of Aberdeen. > If it says on the IGI that they were christened at SAINT > NICHOLAS.......... > > They are referring to the CHURCH, right? > > Saint Nicholas, ISN'T a place? Is it? > > They were born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland???? > > Sorry, probably a dumb question, but unfortunately DON'T know the answer. > > Thanks > > :sjl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it says on the IGI that they were christened at SAINT NICHOLAS.......... They are referring to the CHURCH, right? Saint Nicholas, ISN'T a place? Is it? They were born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland???? Sorry, probably a dumb question, but unfortunately DON'T know the answer. Thanks :sjl

Sorry that little arrow simply DISPLAYS the birth, marriage or death date it does not SORT by birth, marriage or death date. Indeed I have birth date displayed. HOWEVER the default sort order is still just surname, forename, in all previous versions the default sort order was surname, forename, birth date. Now I can sort by birth date but this sorts EVERYONE into birth order. So I get So FTM 2010 is still BUGGED, I have 217 William Bisset's all of them called Bisset, Willam (no middle names I've another 23 with middle names but I can find these easily enough). The only thing that distinguishes these William Bissets is their date of birth. However unlike ALL previous versions the sort order stops at forename, thus the list has all my William Bissets in random order. This means in order to find one I need to painfully scroll through each one trying to spot the right birth date. Similarly the "F2" lookup screen is only sorted by surname, forename whereas in ALL previous versions it was surname, forename, birth date. I've reported this bug numerous times on their website but have not even had an acknowledgement of receipt of the bug. It seems like Ancestry.com are too big to care about their paying customers. To date no-one has been able to advice a fix, or a work around short of what I currently do ie: manually trying to find the individuals. Its not a huge problem as it only affects those names where I have lots of them. However as I have over 1400 Bissets (doing a one name study) then when it comes to that name it often takes a good minute or so to find someone when it should be almost instantaneous. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leon O Kearns Sent: 11 March 2010 13:03 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] FTM 2010 If you open up People at the top of the page and then look at the area where it says Index: XXXXX and to the left is a small house and next to that is three lines with a very tiny arrow. Click on that and a dropdown will allow you to list how you want them displayed ie, by birth, or death, or marriage. I have used FTM since the company that developed it in eastern Iowa put it on the market. I had to upgrade from FTM 11.0 after upgrading to Win 7 because I could not print a report. I still have my old FTM 11.0 on my harddrive so if I think I have a need to check something I can go back to it. Leon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com

If you open up People at the top of the page and then look at the area where it says Index: XXXXX and to the left is a small house and next to that is three lines with a very tiny arrow. Click on that and a dropdown will allow you to list how you want them displayed ie, by birth, or death, or marriage. I have used FTM since the company that developed it in eastern Iowa put it on the market. I had to upgrade from FTM 11.0 after upgrading to Win 7 because I could not print a report. I still have my old FTM 11.0 on my harddrive so if I think I have a need to check something I can go back to it. Leon

FTM 2010 doesn't open FTM 2006 files directly (aka FTM v16) but it will most certainly import them without ANY problems. Just select "Import as New Tree" from the file menu. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ann zeman Sent: 10 March 2010 15:13 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software The problem seems to be that I have 64 bit Windows 7. The new software that I had to buy is Family Tree Maker 2010. The 2010 won't recognise the files made by the old version 16. I'm going to tackle some of the helpful suggestions this morning. Ann ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com

Indeed, it's a pain when REALLY useful features like that get left out of more recent versions of family tree software. I've noted over the years that there has been a trend to make FT software "easier" to cope with the massive increase in the numbers of people using software to record their trees. Unfortunately this making it "easier" tends to come at the expense of the more useful features, and those of us used to programs doing things a certain way tend to either stick to old versions or get frustrated by having to work around the newer "features" of software. Unfortunately this trend does also mean that often older versions get left behind and don't work on newer hardware or operating systems, and at some point we are forced to do as you do and struggle to maintain really old hardware or we bite the bullet and reluctantly upgrade and simply lament the lack of that favoured report that we relied on in the old version. All the while muttering about "progress" and why is it needed :) I fully agree that the ability to produce "proper" reports that list everyone related to an individual is a feature often lacking from todays commercial software. Too often we have ancestor reports or descendant reports or mish-mash hybrids that are suitable for neither purpose. I'm sure this is because they are aimed at people who have trees with a few hundred people in them and not at those of us that have a few thousand. It is because of this inability to get decent reports from such programs I started writing a program to produce my own. The best commercial software I came across for ad-hoc reports is Family Historian http://www.family-historian.co.uk/ which works directly on GEDCOM files and purports to be the only 100% compatible program for reading and writing GEDCOM. It's own "All Relatives" tree reports were the closest to what I was after, as well as its free form reporting ability which is amazingly good. The thing I didn't like much was its data entry and since this is the most often used side of a FT program I stuck with Family Tree Maker and upgraded to FTM 2010. I am, however, thinking of changing as there is a MAJOR bug in FTM 2010 in that it does NOT sort people with the same name by date. As I am doing a one name study of Bisset's in NE Scotland it's a right royal pain in FTM 2010 to see my 217 William Bissets sorted by surname & forname (all of course identical). I can display their birth date but it doesn't extend the sort to birth date. So it takes ages to find the one you are looking for. In FTM 2006 & 2008 it did sort by birth date so this is a new bug, and one that drives me mad. PS. 35k people is really impressive, puts my own 7k to shame. -- Alexander Bisset IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M Keith Abel Sent: 10 March 2010 14:21 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software Dear Mr Bisset: The program I referred to, "PAFability", would produce reports of single ancestor descendants or a report of all ancestors depending on the options chosen. If I started with myself, I could get a report that listed all of my ancestors and all of their descendants. If I started with one of my children it would list in addition, all of my wife's ancestors and all of their descendants as well as mine. If I started with my youngest grandchild, I would get a report that includes virtually everyone in my file (35,000 people and nearly 3000 pages. Fortunately the printer currently sulking, printed 9 pages per minute) There is a copy I produced some years ago in the Public Library in Sudbury, Ontario. My file includes ancestors of a brother-in-law which, not being my ancestors, will not appear in the file. When it reported on my sister, it would report the name of her husband and that he was the son of his parents, but pursue his line no further. If I started with a nephew son of that brother-in-law, it would report all of his ancestors first, then give all of my sisters ancestors which part would be identical to a report starting with me. Depending on whom you started with and how many generations to report, it was possible to produce a report of very specifically a particular family group, such as a report for a cousin found on the Aberdeen list. If I started the report with the common ancestor I could produce one that included only those persons in my tree that are also in his tree. Referring to the reply from "Carol", Her reference to a "Modified Register Report" sounds rather like Latter Day Saints, in writing a windows compatible version, incorporated all of the features of "PAFability". In this context a "Register" report is one in the format of the New England Genealogical Register. "Modified" indicates that the report will pursue female descendants as well as male. The original Register format pursued only male descendants. In fact if I cannot get the printer attached to the antique computer running on DOS 6, up and running again , it is probable I ought to install a newer version of PAF on the machine running on Windows XP. I would do this only if the Register Format reports were available in the newer versions of PAF. I was surprised at the listers who had trouble transferring the files from one genealogy program to another. Doing this was the original intention of the Gedcom File. If both programs are compatible with Gedcom Files there should be no problem. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Bisset" <A-Bisset@aberdeen-harbour.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > However the original poster DID NOT ASK for something that can take anyone > you choose and produce a descendant tree, almost all FT programs can do > that. What he asked was a program that searched ALL of your most distant > ancestors and produced a report for the lot of them in one go. That is > radically different from MANUALLY searching for the top of each tree and > MANUALLY clicking to produce a descendant report for each line. > > Sadly I know of no such program. Most programs work on the basis of > producing ancestor or descendant reports based off a starting individual. > I've not seen one that automatically trawls your database and gets the > most distant ancestors from each branch. > > I have however got a "treetops" report on my list of things to add to my > FT Analysis program I'm writing. This little program takes a Gedcom 5.0 or > 5.5 file and produces various reports. At present they are lists of "loose > deaths" (people who you know death information for but their death entry > hasn't got that data explicitly recorded), lists of locations sorted by > country, region(county/state), parish etc. Lists of people at those > locations. Lists of people who according to your Gedcom may have been > alive at a specific date but for whom you have no census info. This is > particularly useful for remembering to add people to > http://www.lostcousins.com etc. > > A "treetops" report is on my to do list this is a list of all the people > who are direct ancestors at the top of your tree. Effectively a treetops > report would list all of your most distant direct ancestors you have found > for every branch of your tree. This would not do what the original poster > asked but it might at least make the process of producing the manual > reports somewhat easier as you'd have a list of who to start your reports > from. > > -- > Alexander Bisset > IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ray Forsberg > Sent: 10 March 2010 01:47 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > > Hi all, > > I have the PAF 5 version and it works just fine - will do all you > ask. This is free from the IGI. I am running on a older version of > Windows (can't remember what it is called - a "senior's moment" I'm > afraid). It is not Vista - the one before it. PAF 5 and its upgrades > will produce beautiful "modified registers" for anyone in the > database. > > Cheers, > > Carol > >> On 10 March 2010 09:59, Gordon McLeod <gordon@shieldaig.com> wrote: >> One thing to consider, whichever, software you use is whether or not your >> Windows operating system is 64bit or 32bit. Many of the older programs >> work >> if you installed or had installed Windows 7 32bit but don't worked at all >> if >> you install Windows 7 64bit. >> >> Gordon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Isobel Davidson >> Sent: March-09-10 3:34 PM >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> I have windows 7 and, because I have never liked FTM2008 tried the >> previous >> version first - which doesn't work on vista. Works perfectly on Windows 7 >> so I am now very happy! >> >> Isobel >> >> Ann Zeman wrote on March 2010 21:57 >> >> I just got a new laptop with Windows 7; found my Family Tree Maker >> software >> wasn't compatible; contacted the FTM company to see if there was a >> software >> patch; NO, there wasn't. I had to buy a new Family Tree Maker, which I >> installed, However! It won't open any of my old FTM files. >> Big sigh. I have to wait to have a free 4 or 5 hours (and a quiet mind) >> to >> try to phone FTM back and see if there's a solution. Isn't technology >> interesting. >> Ann Z >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M Keith Abel" <kabel@kingston.net> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> >>> Dear Colin: >>> >>> I am using a program which will do exactly as you describe but I suspect >>> it is all obsolete now. The Genealogy Program was Personal Ancestral >>> File Version 2.3 >>> >>> A program called "Pafability" written by an American Woman, I believe in >>> Washington DC, was capable of reading the files produced by PAF 3 and >>> assembling fully and beautifully worded reports beginning with anyone of >>> your choosing. Unfortunately Paf 3 would not work with any version of >>> Windows and as far as I know, the versions of PAF that do work with >>> Windows have a different File Structure and don't work with Pafability. >>> >>> A complication of my own: the printer that works on the computer with my >>> genealogy program has gone into a sulk and won't print anything. I think >>> all it needs is a cleaning out but I haven't found anyone to clean out >>> an >>> antique printer. >>> >>> Perhaps someone out there knows if the newer versions of PAF that >>> operate >>> with Windows have the very fine report generating capability that >>> "Pafability" had. >>> >>> M Keith Abel >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> >>> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; <angus@rootsweb.com>; >>> <sct-fife@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:51 PM >>> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >>> >>> >>> > Some years ago I had a family tree program which could generate >>> > descendant >>> > reports for my entire database automatically. That is to say that it >>> > would >>> > analyse the database and work out the oldest memn=bers of each line, >>> > then >>> > start a new chapter for that line. >>> > >>> > Is there any existing program which will do this nowadays, preferrable >>> > not >>> > too expensive. My old programme was not compatable with a Windows >>> > Update >>> > (it >>> > was Windows 95 or (* I thing) >>> > >>> > Many thanks >>> > >>> > Colin >>> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com ______________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked by Dionach for all known viruses using MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.dionach.com

Are these similar to what you are looking for? They create family groups and links to all others in the database. "Our Family Book" http://www.hesmer.name/ofb/index_e.html GED2HTML - http://www.eugene-stark.com/ged2html/ Dynamic Family Tree - http://www.dftcom2.co.uk/webx/index.html At 09:07 AM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >From: Alexander Bisset <A-Bisset@aberdeen-harbour.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >To: "aberdeen@rootsweb.com" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > >However the original poster DID NOT ASK for something that can take >anyone you choose and produce a descendant tree, almost all FT >programs can do that. What he asked was a program that searched ALL >of your most distant ancestors and produced a report for the lot of >them in one go. That is radically different from MANUALLY searching >for the top of each tree and MANUALLY clicking to produce a >descendant report for each line. > >Sadly I know of no such program. Most programs work on the basis of >producing ancestor or descendant reports based off a starting >individual. I've not seen one that automatically trawls your >database and gets the most distant ancestors from each branch. > >I have however got a "treetops" report on my list of things to add >to my FT Analysis program I'm writing. This little program takes a >Gedcom 5.0 or 5.5 file and produces various reports. At present they >are lists of "loose deaths" (people who you know death information >for but their death entry hasn't got that data explicitly recorded), >lists of locations sorted by country, region(county/state), parish >etc. Lists of people at those locations. Lists of people who >according to your Gedcom may have been alive at a specific date but >for whom you have no census info. This is particularly useful for >remembering to add people to http://www.lostcousins.com etc. > >A "treetops" report is on my to do list this is a list of all the >people who are direct ancestors at the top of your tree. Effectively >a treetops report would list all of your most distant direct >ancestors you have found for every branch of your tree. This would >not do what the original poster asked but it might at least make the >process of producing the manual reports somewhat easier as you'd >have a list of who to start your reports from. > >-- >Alexander Bisset >IT Administrator Aberdeen Harbour Board ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=bhCBLy9RsaapTVTW8DohSQAAJ1HRPJtV0UPWIFV2n9W87NGdAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=

Hi all, I have the PAF 5 version and it works just fine - will do all you ask. This is free from the IGI. I am running on a older version of Windows (can't remember what it is called - a "senior's moment" I'm afraid). It is not Vista - the one before it. PAF 5 and its upgrades will produce beautiful "modified registers" for anyone in the database. Cheers, Carol On 10 March 2010 09:59, Gordon McLeod <gordon@shieldaig.com> wrote: > One thing to consider, whichever, software you use is whether or not your > Windows operating system is 64bit or 32bit.  Many of the older programs work > if you installed or had installed Windows 7 32bit but don't worked at all if > you install Windows 7 64bit. > > Gordon > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Isobel Davidson > Sent: March-09-10 3:34 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > > I have windows 7 and, because I have never liked FTM2008 tried the previous > version first - which doesn't work on vista.  Works perfectly on Windows 7 > so I am now very happy! > > Isobel > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of ann zeman > Sent: 09 March 2010 21:57 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > > I just got a new laptop with Windows 7; found my Family Tree Maker software > wasn't compatible; contacted the FTM company to see if there was a software > patch; NO, there wasn't. I had to buy a new Family Tree Maker, which I > installed, However! It won't open any of my old FTM files. > Big sigh. I have to wait to have a free 4 or 5 hours (and a quiet mind) to > try to phone FTM back and see if there's a solution. Isn't technology > interesting. > Ann Z > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Keith Abel" <kabel@kingston.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software > > >> Dear Colin: >> >> I am using a program which will do exactly as you describe but I suspect >> it >> is all obsolete now.  The Genealogy Program was Personal Ancestral File >> Version 2.3 >> >> A program called "Pafability" written by an American Woman,   I believe in >> Washington DC,   was capable of reading the files produced by PAF 3 and >> assembling fully and beautifully worded reports beginning with anyone of >> your choosing.   Unfortunately Paf 3 would not work with any version of >> Windows and as far as I know, the versions of PAF that do work with >> Windows >> have a different File Structure and don't work with Pafability. >> >> A complication of my own:   the printer that works on the computer with my >> genealogy program has gone into a sulk and won't print anything.  I think >> all it needs is a cleaning out but I haven't found anyone to clean out an >> antique printer. >> >> Perhaps someone out there knows if the newer versions of PAF that operate >> with Windows have the very fine report generating capability that >> "Pafability" had. >> >> M Keith Abel >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> >> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; <angus@rootsweb.com>; <sct-fife@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:51 PM >> Subject: [ABERDEEN] Family Tree Software >> >> >> > Some years ago I had a family tree program which could generate >> > descendant >> > reports for my entire database automatically. 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