Ray, Thanks for your advice. I had indeed followed John BUCHAN & Janet WILLOX and their family through the census records up to and including 1891 when they were at Shiprow in Aberdeen. And of course the next step is to find John's death registration and see if his wife and parents were named there - It's obvious when someone so kindly reminds you! Kind regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 9:54 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan On 29 March 2010 09:19, Karen & Ed Stewart <stewarte@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Can anyone confirm my theory that the John BUCHAN who married Janet WILLOX in 1850 was the same John BUCHAN baptised in 1827 the son of James BUCHAN & his wife Isabel CRUICKSHANKS? __________________________________________ I suggest you follow the couple through the Census records and get John's death certificate. If he died in Scotland after 1855 then it will be on Scotland's People and will name his parents. John and Jessie [=Janet] are still in the county in 1881: at 58 Nelson Street, Aberdeen St Nicholas, so it is likely they stayed. Their son John, born in 1851 is still living with them, aged 30, unmarried. ---- edited for brevity -------

I guess you use whatever works for you. I spell all names how I find them in original documents, never as found in transcripts if I can find the original document. A large part of my 35,000 names were assembled sitting in LDS churches looking at microfilm of original documents and feel sorry for those who have to resort to the Internet where all documents are transcripts. However would I have found the "Hazard" whose name was transcribed "Maryford" If I hadn't looked at the original document. Using spelling as in original documents makes a mess out of alphabetic listings of my records but I live with that. I once spent good money on a published genealogy whose author had decided that there was a right and a wrong way to spell names and re-wrote all names according to her ideas of what was right. This publication might be useful for propping up the short leg of a wobbly table. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schani Biermann" <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] variant name spellings >a topic for general discussion > > In my research i have encountered various spellings of the surname GARDEN. > in the earliest records the name is spelled as Gardyne/Gardne. then it > appears as Gairden/Gardin and then by the latter part of the 19th cent = > Garden > > In my FTM genealogy program i have decided to stay with the surname as > GARDEN all the way through the generations and in brackets i place the > variant spelling > > EXAMPLE: > > William (Gairden) Garden > James (Gardne (Garden) = Sarah Clerk > > if sometimes it seems just to be a minor variant on spelling > last name > > McBe(a)th , i "bracket" the vowel > > how does everyone else approach this "problem"? is there a "proper" way, > genealogically speaking, a preferred method or simply depends on each > individual > > Schani Biermann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I try to list them consistently but show the variants too. I also use the notes section to indicate spelling variants.  This allows for good statistical analysis and linking of families while also giving a paper trail back to the spelling in the documents.  A little more entry work, but it gives me the best of both worlds. Laura ________________________________ From: M Keith Abel <kabel@kingston.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 2:18:26 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] variant name spellings I guess you use whatever works for you.  I spell all names how I find them in original documents, never as found in transcripts if I can find the original document.  A large part of my 35,000 names were assembled sitting in LDS churches looking at microfilm of original documents and feel sorry for those who have to resort to the Internet where all documents are transcripts.  However would I have found the "Hazard"  whose name was transcribed "Maryford"  If I hadn't looked at the original document. Using spelling as in original documents makes a mess out of alphabetic listings of my records but I live with that. I once spent good money on a published genealogy whose author had decided that there was a right and a wrong way to spell names and re-wrote all names according to her ideas of what was right.  This publication might be useful for propping up the short leg of a wobbly table. M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schani Biermann" <ussenterprise1701@accesscomm.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] variant name spellings >a topic for general discussion > > In my research i have encountered various spellings of the surname GARDEN. > in the earliest records the name is spelled as Gardyne/Gardne. then it > appears as Gairden/Gardin and then by the latter part of the 19th cent = > Garden > > In my FTM genealogy program i have decided to stay with the surname as > GARDEN all the way through the generations and in brackets i place the > variant spelling > > EXAMPLE: > > William (Gairden) Garden > James (Gardne (Garden) = Sarah Clerk > > if sometimes it seems just to be a minor variant on spelling > last name > > McBe(a)th , i "bracket" the vowel > > how does everyone else approach this "problem"? is there a "proper" way, > genealogically speaking, a preferred method or simply depends on each > individual > > Schani Biermann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

a topic for general discussion In my research i have encountered various spellings of the surname GARDEN. in the earliest records the name is spelled as Gardyne/Gardne. then it appears as Gairden/Gardin and then by the latter part of the 19th cent = Garden In my FTM genealogy program i have decided to stay with the surname as GARDEN all the way through the generations and in brackets i place the variant spelling EXAMPLE: William (Gairden) Garden James (Gardne (Garden) = Sarah Clerk if sometimes it seems just to be a minor variant on spelling > last name > McBe(a)th , i "bracket" the vowel how does everyone else approach this "problem"? is there a "proper" way, genealogically speaking, a preferred method or simply depends on each individual Schani Biermann

Hello those interested in Logie Buchan My ggggrandfather was a crofter in the Mains of Tatie late 1700s - I f you dig up any Raes please let me know. Cec. Rae Melbourne OZ. The owner of Auchmacoy was David Buchan in 1973 when we visited. On Mon Mar 29 21:35 , Ray Hennessy sent: Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. Ray On 29 March 2010 11:01, Brad and Jen <[1]bradandjen@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi there, > > There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. > > Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - > [2]http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl. In 1841 John is living with James > BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is > still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet. Both ages give him an > approximate birth year of 1827. In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella > are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are > related. I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a > James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible > that this is John's grandfather. > > Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and > most likely in Artochie. I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - > [3]http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named > at the baptisms of the children. If James Snr is listed living in Artochie > then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at > baptisms were relatives. > > Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I > could confirm it that way. > > I hope this helps and happy hunting, > Jen. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('bradandjen@iinet.net.au','','','') 2. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freecen.org.uk%2Fcgi%2Fsearch.pl. 3. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scotlandspeople.gov.uk%2F 4. javascript:top.opencompose('ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com','','','')

i have the following marriage which i found at Scotsland People (ScP) online James Garden = Helen More at Insch, Aberdeenshire 1726. Marriage also recorded at New Machar but Helen's lastname spelled "Moir" i believe the parents of James Garden are George Gardin [sic] and Anna Chrichtoune = Crichton ? cannot ascertain parentage of Helen Moir/More Children of James and Helen so far located are: (ScP) 1. Jean Garden chr 09/04/1727 Insch 2. Alexander Garden chr 12/13/1729 Insch 3. John Garden chr 08/18/1732 Insch 4. James Gairden chr 11/29/1735 Insch 5. William Gairden chr 01/13/1739 Insch 6. Helen Garden chr 04/29/1741 Insch. particulary interested in William, b. 1739 any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, Canada

Hi there, There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl. In 1841 John is living with James BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet. Both ages give him an approximate birth year of 1827. In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are related. I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible that this is John's grandfather. Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and most likely in Artochie. I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named at the baptisms of the children. If James Snr is listed living in Artochie then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at baptisms were relatives. Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I could confirm it that way. I hope this helps and happy hunting, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen & Ed Stewart" <stewarte@tpg.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan > Can anyone confirm my theory that the John BUCHAN who married Janet WILLOX > in 1850 was the same John BUCHAN baptised in 1827 the son of James BUCHAN > & > his wife Isabel CRUICKSHANKS? > > Kind regards > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone confirm my theory that the John BUCHAN who married Janet WILLOX in 1850 was the same John BUCHAN baptised in 1827 the son of James BUCHAN & his wife Isabel CRUICKSHANKS? Kind regards

Hi All, For those who don't know, it is now possible to check out our ancestors homes on Google Maps from the street - as long as they haven't been destroyed for new housing etc. Sadly that is the case with both properties my father lived in as a boy : ( BUT was really lucky to find the tenements at 44 Esslemont where Mum lived until she was married - fantastic. I've noticed that very few houses have numbers or if they have they aren't visible to me. Luckily some do and you can work your way to the right one. You also may be unlucky as I was to find a honking great bus right outside the house you are after : ) If you 'walk' along a bit you can still get a side view. Regards, Karen

Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. Ray On 29 March 2010 11:01, Brad and Jen <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi there, > > There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. > > Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - > http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.  In 1841 John is living with James > BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is > still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet.  Both ages give him an > approximate birth year of 1827.  In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella > are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are > related.   I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a > James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible > that this is John's grandfather. > > Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and > most likely in Artochie.  I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named > at the baptisms of the children.  If James Snr  is listed living in Artochie > then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at > baptisms were relatives. > > Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I > could confirm it that way. > > I hope this helps and happy hunting, > Jen. >

On 29 March 2010 09:19, Karen & Ed Stewart <stewarte@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Can anyone confirm my theory that the John BUCHAN who married Janet WILLOX in 1850 was the same John BUCHAN baptised in 1827 the son of James BUCHAN & his wife Isabel CRUICKSHANKS? __________________________________________ I suggest you follow the couple through the Census records and get John's death certificate. If he died in Scotland after 1855 then it will be on Scotland's People and will name his parents. John and Jessie [=Janet] are still in the county in 1881: at 58 Nelson Street, Aberdeen St Nicholas, so it is likely they stayed. Their son John, born in 1851 is still living with them, aged 30, unmarried. Details below. Hope this isn't an "Egg-sucking for Grannies" message. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP ********************************************************** 1881 Census extract for 58 Nelson Street, Aberdeen St Nicholas, John BUCHAN M 53 M Logie Buchan, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Jessie BUCHAN M 54 F Ellon, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife John BUCHAN U 30 M Logie Buchan, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: General Labourer Robert BUCHAN U 19 M Ellon, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: General Labourer Out Of Employ Thomas BUCHAN U 14 M Ellon, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: General Labourer Out Of Employ Jessie BUCHAN U 16 F Ellon, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: General Servant Domestic John A. BUCHAN 2 M Logie Buchan, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Grandson Wm.S. MC RITCHIE U 18 M Keig, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Vistor Occ: General Labourer

If anyone does this Buchan research and comes across a David Harley who married Jean Buchan on 20 Jun 1818 in New Deer, Aberdeen I would be pleased to get the Buchan family history as I don't have it. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: March-29-10 5:35 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. Ray On 29 March 2010 11:01, Brad and Jen <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi there, > > There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. > > Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - > http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.  In 1841 John is living with James > BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is > still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet.  Both ages give him an > approximate birth year of 1827.  In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella > are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are > related.   I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a > James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible > that this is John's grandfather. > > Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and > most likely in Artochie.  I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named > at the baptisms of the children.  If James Snr  is listed living in Artochie > then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at > baptisms were relatives. > > Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I > could confirm it that way. > > I hope this helps and happy hunting, > Jen. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2776 - Release Date: 03/28/10 12:32:00

While this doesn't confirm the connection you might email the owners and see if they know.  http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jaheld&id=I6149 regards.. db   ----- Original Message ---- From: Karen & Ed Stewart <stewarte@tpg.com.au> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 2:19:06 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan Can anyone confirm my theory that the John BUCHAN who married Janet WILLOX in 1850 was the same John BUCHAN baptised in 1827 the son of James BUCHAN & his wife Isabel CRUICKSHANKS? Kind regards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Greg, I've just read your surname list I'm looking for a William Grant born Aberdeen 1791? Also a Neil Robertson of Niel born Arran Regards Marion Sydney On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Kenneth Gregory Baldwin < kennethb@melbpc.org.au> wrote: > G'day Jim, > > My LUMSDEN mob are from Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland. > > Wondering if we have a connection? > > Await your reply. > > Regards > > Greg Baldwin > Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia > Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/<http://member.melbpc.org.au/%7Ekennethb/> > Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au > All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. > AIGS 9842 > A&NESFHS 9933 > Researching Surnames: > ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG > ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS > BEASLEY - Qld, AUS > BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS > BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT > BROWN - Wellington, NZ > CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT>Qld, AUS > CHRISTIE - Huntly, ABD, SCT>Vic, AUS > CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT>Vic, AUS > COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ > COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS > CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ > DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG > DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG > EVANS - Shropshire, ENG > FRANCES - AUS > GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT > INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ > INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT > LANGDON - NZ > LAURANCE - Banff, SCT > LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ > MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT > MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS > MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > McFADDEN -Down, NIR > McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS > McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS > McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT > McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS > McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > RAFFAN - Banff, SCT > REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG > RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ > ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT > RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS > SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT > SMITH - SCT > SPRENGER - Qld, AUS > STUART - Moray, SCT > WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS > WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG > WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ > WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ > The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Marion

HI   I see you have Cameron from Isle of Sky. My Great-Uncle Hugh Cameron came from Isle of Sky. He had a sister by the name of Marion Cameron.   Which Cameron do you have????   Vicki --- On Sun, 3/28/10, marion wakeford <marion.wakeford@gmail.com> wrote: From: marion wakeford <marion.wakeford@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] LUMSDEN Surname - Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 1:40 AM Hi Greg, I've just read your surname list I'm looking for a William Grant born Aberdeen 1791? Also a Neil Robertson of Niel born Arran Regards Marion Sydney On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Kenneth Gregory Baldwin < kennethb@melbpc.org.au> wrote: > G'day Jim, > > My LUMSDEN mob are from Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland. > > Wondering if we have a connection? > > Await your reply. > > Regards > > Greg Baldwin > Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia > Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/<http://member.melbpc.org.au/%7Ekennethb/> > Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au > All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. > AIGS 9842 > A&NESFHS 9933 > Researching Surnames: > ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG > ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS > BEASLEY - Qld, AUS > BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS > BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT > BROWN - Wellington, NZ > CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT>Qld, AUS > CHRISTIE - Huntly, ABD, SCT>Vic, AUS > CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT>Vic, AUS > COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ > COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS > CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ > DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG > DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG > EVANS - Shropshire, ENG > FRANCES - AUS > GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT > INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ > INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT > LANGDON - NZ > LAURANCE - Banff, SCT > LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ > MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT > MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS > MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > McFADDEN -Down, NIR > McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS > McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS > McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT > McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS > McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > RAFFAN - Banff, SCT > REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG > RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ > ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT > RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS > SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT > SMITH - SCT > SPRENGER - Qld, AUS > STUART - Moray, SCT > WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS > WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG > WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ > WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ > The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Marion ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, I'm hoping for some help I'm looking for deaths of William and Ann (Castle) Grant. They were married in the parish of Old Machar. I've started looking on the MI's from ANESFHS and have found some William and Ann inscriptions but there is no listing for the parish of Old Machar. Hoping to hear from someone, thanks in advance Marion Sydney Australia

G'day Jim, My LUMSDEN mob are from Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland. Wondering if we have a connection? Await your reply. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BEASLEY - Qld, AUS BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT>Qld, AUS CHRISTIE - Huntly, ABD, SCT>Vic, AUS CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT>Vic, AUS COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG EVANS - Shropshire, ENG FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm

G'day Greg - We are searching for Hamiltons and Keiths in Scotland. Haven't come across the Lumsden "mob", but if we do, we'll let you know. Best always, Jim and Dorothy Hamilton Le Sueur, Minnesota On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Kenneth Gregory Baldwin < kennethb@melbpc.org.au> wrote: > G'day Jim, > > My LUMSDEN mob are from Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland. > > Wondering if we have a connection? > > Await your reply. > > Regards > > Greg Baldwin > Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia > Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ > Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au > All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. > AIGS 9842 > A&NESFHS 9933 > Researching Surnames: > ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG > ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS > BEASLEY - Qld, AUS > BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS > BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT > BROWN - Wellington, NZ > CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT>Qld, AUS > CHRISTIE - Huntly, ABD, SCT>Vic, AUS > CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT>Vic, AUS > COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ > COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS > CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ > DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG > DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG > EVANS - Shropshire, ENG > FRANCES - AUS > GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT > INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ > INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT > LANGDON - NZ > LAURANCE - Banff, SCT > LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ > MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT > MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS > MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > McFADDEN -Down, NIR > McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS > McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS > McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT > McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS > McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > RAFFAN - Banff, SCT > REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG > RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ > ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT > RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS > SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT > SMITH - SCT > SPRENGER - Qld, AUS > STUART - Moray, SCT > WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS > WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG > WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ > WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ > The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dort

Hi Greg I live in Ottawa Ontario Canada and my father came to Canada as a boy from Edinburgh Scotland. The family spent several generations in Stonehaven Kincardinshire (Fetteresso and Dunnottar parishes) My great grandfather was James Lumsden (shoemaker) born in the northeast ~1820. His father William (and James) lived in Stonehaven from ~1824 to 1851+ In the census William was listed as a chelsea pensioner and shoemaker born in Gamrie ~1781 plus or minus. He had a son William born in 1809 in Gamrie with Ann Callum. They were married in Gamrie in 1816. Ann and William had a third son Alexander born in Stonehaven in 1824. I can find no further records on the fate of William 1809 or Alexander 1824. There is a Gamrie Banffshire birth of William Lumsden in 12 May 1782 to Jeremiah Lumsden (shoemaker) and Mary Robertson. Jeremiah and Mary also had Katherine 1771, Jeremiah 1772, Alexander 1775, Margaret 1777, and Robert 1780. The Attachment to this family is reasonable but NOT proven. There is another William Lumsden in the LDS records born in this timeframe but the location was Banff. I have been working a lot lately on this issue but so far it is a work in progress. I have just joined the ANESFHS but I do not have a member yet. What is your Gamrie Banffshire Lumsden connection and when ? Jim Lumsden -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kenneth Gregory Baldwin" <kennethb@melbpc.org.au> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:55 AM To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ABERDEEN] LUMSDEN Surname - Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland > G'day Jim, > > My LUMSDEN mob are from Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland. > > Wondering if we have a connection? > > Await your reply. > > Regards > > Greg Baldwin > Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia > Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ > Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au > All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. > AIGS 9842 > A&NESFHS 9933 > Researching Surnames: > ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG > ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS > BEASLEY - Qld, AUS > BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS > BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT > BROWN - Wellington, NZ > CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT>Qld, AUS > CHRISTIE - Huntly, ABD, SCT>Vic, AUS > CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT>Vic, AUS > COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ > COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS > CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ > DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG > DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG > EVANS - Shropshire, ENG > FRANCES - AUS > GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT > INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ > INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT > LANGDON - NZ > LAURANCE - Banff, SCT > LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ > MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT > MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS > MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT > McFADDEN -Down, NIR > McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS > McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS > McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT > McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS > McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS > RAFFAN - Banff, SCT > REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG > RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ > ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT > RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS > SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG > SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT > SMITH - SCT > SPRENGER - Qld, AUS > STUART - Moray, SCT > WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS > WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ > WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG > WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ > WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales > Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ > The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim Lumsden wrote: > Thank you for the information Gavin Bell > The pictures credited to you are GREAT ! > I have been looking for Death records for William Lumsden and his wife Ann > Callum of Stonehaven ~1854. > I have found sequential inscriptions in Alvah cemetery in the area of Banff > that they came from. > Unfortunately there are no dates given. The Stonehaven cemeteries Dunnottar > and Fetteresso have nothing. > Fetteresso cemetery has no listings of names. Is it on a to do list ? Firstly, can I split a hair? In normal usage in Scotland, a "cemetery" is a non-religious burial ground, most of which date from the later 19th century or even the 20th century. All burials earlier than this are liable to have occurred in the burial grounds associated with individual parish churches of the Kirk of Scotland - these are generally called "kirkyards". It is worth making this distinction because, while the situation in the parish of Dunottar is less clear-cut than is sometimes the case (the ancient kirkyard and the more modern cemetery are immediately adjacent), in the parish of Fetteresso the kirkyard and the cemetery are a quarter of a mile distant from each other, and you if ask for the wrong burial ground, you may not get the right information. The memorial inscriptions for Dunottar kirkyard have been recorded and published, but while the MIs for of the ancient kirkyard of Fetteresso have been recorded, they have not been published, because more work is needed on both the plan and on final checking of the text. But ANESFHS members can request lookups in the draft version. > I am trying to get an better idea of just what anesfhs can do for me as a > prospective member. > The burial ground web site was a jaw dropper when I put in my Grandmothers > surname Gerrard in Aberdour. > I now have 4 pages and 46 Gerrard's burials to record. A search on the MI Index certainly gives 46 Gerrard "hits" in Aberdour - but I'm not clear where you get the "4 pages" from. The 46 individuals are distributed among 21 different stones, which appear on 15 different pages in the published MI booklet. The "Index to MI booklets" gives only name and date for each death. For the full details (which are liable to include family relationships, places of residence and occupations) you need to purchase the MI booklet from ANESFHS. This costs the princely sum of GBP 2.25 plus postage, and ANESFHS is able to accept payments in numerous different currencies, including $CAN. Gavin Bell