On 25/07/2013 17:52, Sandy PITTENDREIGH wrote: > ... > Some marriages were proclaimed privately before witness. Although it was not a requirement of law, such marriages were often confirmed by the Sheriff at some later date. This only became necessary after 1855, because the legislation introducing Civil Registration was faulty. It had assumed that all marriages would be Kirk marriages, and consequently established no mechanism whereby a (perfectly legal) "marriage by declaration" could be recorded in the Civel Register. The trip to the Sheriff was the way round this - if he was satisfied that a valid marriage had taken place, he would issue a warrant to that effect, which would be accepted by the Registrar. > This second form of marriage required the couple and their witnesses to report the marriage to the Sheriff. This isn't a "second form of marriage" - what the Sheriff had to validate was generally a marriage "by declaration". There was another form of irregular marriage, namely "promise subsquente copula" - if a man promised that he would marry a woman, and on the basis of that promise she agreed to sleep with him, that could constitute a marriage. Although how it could be proved in a court of law is something of a puzzle. Gavin Bell

I may have posted this explanation some time back, but the reference to Irregular Marriages in the previous thread makes it relevant to post again. I compiled it while researching the Irish Marriages in Portpatrick for a booklet published by DGFHS. Irregular Marriage:  an explanatory note "Marriage by Declaration 'de presentii' ", is the form of marriage generally referred to as an ‘irregular’ marriage.  Such marriages were allowed under Scots Law but the Church of Scotland strongly disapproved and in earlier times the parties involved would be severely rebuked and fined. To marry without benefit of clergy, all the couple had to do was publicly announce their intent to marry before witnesses.  They would then proclaim themselves as married and be recognised as such in their community. Some marriages were proclaimed privately before witness.  Although it was not a requirement of law, such marriages were often confirmed by the Sheriff at some later date.  This second form of marriage required the couple and their witnesses to report the marriage to the Sheriff.  They had to sign a register to that effect and the Sheriff signed as well, thus the marriage became a matter of public record and legal.  This method of confirming the marriage was probably the only way, other than a "regular" church marriage, to be sure of getting a Certificate. Marriage by Declaration remained valid until the Marriage (Scotland) Act of 1939, which took effect on 1st July, 1940.  Once civil marriages were finally enacted into law, there was no longer any need for "irregular" marriages. While the Act mentioned above removed two of the old forms of irregular marriage,  I believe a third form, namely "Marriage by Habit and Repute" (sometimes wrongly referred to as "Common Law Marriage") remains legal in Scotland. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. ...... Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting.  I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting.  However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's.  ...... D

I can add some names under this heading and as Goldie has said, middle names sometimes do open things up, as I have found. I have a LESLIE family born out of Christopher LESLIE who married Caroline SHERET on 30 May 1852 (I have OPR). One of their children bore the middle name of MACKIE, there were 7 children, Clementina, Caroline, Christopher, David, Charles Mackie, John, and David. I have nothing more. The KEITH name has crept into my records too including George Gray KEITH b 15 Nov 1829, Cruden, Aberdeenshire, son of James KEITH and Margaret BOWMAN, otherwise an abundance of female. I have an interest in BOWMAN but I haven't pursued it by spending credits on it. I also have nothing more of them. I would like here to support the advice to substantiate any information one is given or finds is sound for the reasons stated and mistranscription. I found my grandmother listed with her siblings with different parents than I know for sure in a public tree and its not a nice feeling when the tree holder is so stupidly rigid they will do nothing about it. Janet > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Holland > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? > > Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can > get. > > Here's the family group info for my husband's > great-grandfather/great-grandmother: > > Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth > Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, > and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; > given > name sometimes seen as Betsy) > > Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is > complete as it matches other families' notes: > > James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario > Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family > history on his descendants) > Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, > but > she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " > Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle > name might have been Cummingi.) > William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's > grandfather and I have complete history on him. > Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled > many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I > believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. > Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is > she > was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. > > Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and > their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds > (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 > and > 1961. > > That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that > could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of > William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the > son > of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. > > Do you see any new clues here? > Thanks for your continued patience and help. > > Donna > Afton, OK

How likely are we never to find any documented event in the lives of two or more people who brought children into the world? Quite often I would say, but it would be interesting to see the statics would it not. Would a female who did not marry revert to her maiden name if her "husband" predeceased her? She might also change her family or surname were she to inherit under a Trust that called for her to do so, and to find some of her children later taking the "landed" name as I recently found. How many born in Ireland found their way to the East of Scotland in pursuit of work. All the reason for purchasing census as well as certificates. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> > On 25/07/2013 00:59, Mary Legarth wrote: >> ... >> For reasons known only to themselves , not everyone was legally married, >> not >> every child was Baptised. > > We can't say that for certain. What we can say is that not every > marriage was registered before 1855, and similarly not every baptism. > There was a cost in having marriages and baptisms added to the > registers, so some people didn't bother. > >> Then there was, in Scotland, Hand Fasting, legal, ( I read somewhere,) >> but not always recorded. > > Again, to be more precise, there were various forms of "irregular > marriage" which were recognised under Scots Law but were not acceptable > to the Kirk of Scotland. The only way such an irregular marriage could > find its way into the Kirk's Registers would be if the errant couple did > penance and were re-married by the Minister.

Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. The 1861 Canadian Census has the families religion as P.F.C. This may stand for Presbyterian Free Church. The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers of the Church of Scotland and whilst Scotlandspeople has a separate section for the Catholic Parish Registers they don't have other denominations such as the Free Church of Scotland. Unfortunately very few registers for the Free Church of Scotland are online as many of us looking for events between 1843 and 1854 have found. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting. I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting. However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's. It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though. And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings. I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland. :) Again, thank you for your help. D

I have seen this listing and I'm believing it to be my husband's great-grandparents and their first child who was in time named James. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Inez Reed Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? There was an Alex and Betsy Leslie listed for London, Middlesex, Ontario in 1861 with an unnamed male child, aged 1. That's sheet 133 lines 28-30 inclusive. Religion is Presbyterian Free Church.  Inez   ________________________________ From: Goldie & Lido Doratti <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? I found Eliz Cumming in Dallas Moray Scotland today...and her family, but then had a crash and have been most of the day on line with Microsoft.  If anyone out there has access to the 1861 census for London Ontario Ward 2 it would be most helpful to Donna.  I can't get it.  Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. The 1861 Canadian Census has the families religion as P.F.C. This may stand for Presbyterian Free Church. The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers of the Church of Scotland and whilst Scotlandspeople has a separate section for the Catholic Parish Registers they don't have other denominations such as the Free Church of Scotland. Unfortunately very few registers for the Free Church of Scotland are online as many of us looking for events between 1843 and 1854 have found. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting.  I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting.  However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's.  It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though.  And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings.  I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland.  :) Again, thank you for your help. D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

### Donna wrote, Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s.#### Donna, Did you know there is a Village in Monquhitter Parish, Aberdeenshire, named CUMINESTOWN . I don't know exactly how it was named but someone last name Cumine founded it. Could this be the last name of your lady ? Google Cuminestown does give some info'. Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8606 (20130724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Since we are on the Leslies - does anybody have any information on a Margaret Leslie who is listed as the mother of a James Leslie Reid born 1863 in Alford and the father being Alexander Reid, veterinary surgeon. I cannot find any marriage information between these two although they are listed as parents on James' marriage certificate in 1893 - Margaret Reid (M.S. Leslie) is listed as deceased. Since I have nothing else on her I cannot give birth, death or anything else, but I am assuming she lived in or near Alford since James lists that on his enlistment papers in the Seaforth Highlanders. Regards Allan Reid Denver, Colorado. *****

Donna, Just to be negative here, For reasons known only to themselves , not everyone was legally married, not every child was Baptised. Then there was, in Scotland, Hand Fasting, legal, ( I read somewhere,) but not always recorded. There are times when the old IGI, ( am unsure about the new Family Search ), had Family lines unproven , someone saw one name, in a family group, decided that it "fitted", so submitted it as their Family, Or, a generation was skipped , e.g. with first cousins, Uncles and Aunts, as with so many large Scottish Families having the same first name , it is easy to make a mistake. e.g Among others, I found someone who linked into the Family of an Aunt of mine. When I contacted the lady who had done this, she had no idea where TikoKino was , just assumed it was in England, this Aunt, and her husband were born New Zealand, as were their parents, none of them left N.Z., they were simply picked up & plonked into an English, then USA , family quite unrelated. Do not always trust the research of others, until you have had a really good look at the sources. You may need to research this the old fashioned way, order and read through Films at an LDS Centre or similar, or, pay up & look at Scotland's people Site. The latter cheaper, but not as much fun, as a trip to Scotland. Good luck, such an addictive way to spend spare time and money, even after 30 years of researching I still find a gem & so solve a puzzle . Never give up, Mary Donna wrote , Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8606 (20130724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Goldie, Mary, Andy, et al ........ Thank you all so much! I feel like I've "been to school", as so much of what you have been telling me would have been unlikely for me to have found on my own. Thank you for the pushes in the right direction. Goldie, special thanks to you for your efforts through your discomforts. I will now strike out and see if I can make some good progress on my own for a while. I may be back at some point and will hope you all will still be there. Have a great day! I'm going to! Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. The 1861 Canadian Census has the families religion as P.F.C. This may stand for Presbyterian Free Church. The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers of the Church of Scotland and whilst Scotlandspeople has a separate section for the Catholic Parish Registers they don't have other denominations such as the Free Church of Scotland. Unfortunately very few registers for the Free Church of Scotland are online as many of us looking for events between 1843 and 1854 have found. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting. I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting. However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's. It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though. And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings. I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland. :) Again, thank you for your help. D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/07/2013 00:59, Mary Legarth wrote: > ... > For reasons known only to themselves , not everyone was legally married, not > every child was Baptised. We can't say that for certain. What we can say is that not every marriage was registered before 1855, and similarly not every baptism. There was a cost in having marriages and baptisms added to the registers, so some people didn't bother. > Then there was, in Scotland, Hand Fasting, legal, ( I read somewhere,) > but not always recorded. Again, to be more precise, there were various forms of "irregular marriage" which were recognised under Scots Law but were not acceptable to the Kirk of Scotland. The only way such an irregular marriage could find its way into the Kirk's Registers would be if the errant couple did penance and were re-married by the Minister. Gavin Bell

There was an Alex and Betsy Leslie listed for London, Middlesex, Ontario in 1861 with an unnamed male child, aged 1. That's sheet 133 lines 28-30 inclusive. Religion is Presbyterian Free Church.  Inez   ________________________________ From: Goldie & Lido Doratti <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:50:10 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? I found Eliz Cumming in Dallas Moray Scotland today...and her family, but then had a crash and have been most of the day on line with Microsoft.  If anyone out there has access to the 1861 census for London Ontario Ward 2 it would be most helpful to Donna.  I can't get it.  Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. The 1861 Canadian Census has the families religion as P.F.C. This may stand for Presbyterian Free Church. The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers of the Church of Scotland and whilst Scotlandspeople has a separate section for the Catholic Parish Registers they don't have other denominations such as the Free Church of Scotland. Unfortunately very few registers for the Free Church of Scotland are online as many of us looking for events between 1843 and 1854 have found. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting.  I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting.  However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's.  It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though.  And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings.  I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland.  :) Again, thank you for your help. D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting. I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting. However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's. It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though. And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings. I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland. :) Again, thank you for your help. D -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Legarth Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? ### Donna wrote, Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s.#### Donna, Did you know there is a Village in Monquhitter Parish, Aberdeenshire, named CUMINESTOWN . I don't know exactly how it was named but someone last name Cumine founded it. Could this be the last name of your lady ? Google Cuminestown does give some info'. Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8606 (20130724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found Eliz Cumming in Dallas Moray Scotland today...and her family, but then had a crash and have been most of the day on line with Microsoft. If anyone out there has access to the 1861 census for London Ontario Ward 2 it would be most helpful to Donna. I can't get it. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hi Irregular Marriages were lawful in Scotland up to 1940, the most well known of these are marriages at Gretna Green but they occurred all over Scotland. Just google Irregular Marriages Scotland. The 1861 Canadian Census has the families religion as P.F.C. This may stand for Presbyterian Free Church. The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers of the Church of Scotland and whilst Scotlandspeople has a separate section for the Catholic Parish Registers they don't have other denominations such as the Free Church of Scotland. Unfortunately very few registers for the Free Church of Scotland are online as many of us looking for events between 1843 and 1854 have found. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Mary, Thanks for the advice and for the story about handfasting. I've looked it up on the internet and it's very interesting. However on the other hand it seems like something that was practiced more centuries ago rather than in the mid-1800's. It's still a fascinating bit of folklore, though. And yes, I'm keeping in mind the different spellings of Cumming/Cummin/Cummings. I'm also realizing that there were far too many Alexander's, Elizabeth's, Isabell's and James' in Scotland. :) Again, thank you for your help. D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Goldie, are you teasing me :) or is the first part of your message missing? D -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? further.......looks like you are landing in the Cumming stomping grounds....Sir,no less...back to 1400 or so...you, Lady dear, now have your hands full!! giggling here...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? 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Well, checked the sent file and it is gone from there as well......So here goes.........I went to Scotland's People and found Eliz. She is the legal daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie who were living in Mossend. Born 29 July and baptized 13 August 1834. Witnesses were John LESLIER in Craigroy and William Russell in Tovehead...cannot be sure of the last named croft...But I did check on my maps and Craigroy is right. Then went to freecen and got the 1841 census when the Cumming family was at Woodend, Dallas parish in Moray. In 1851 they were at Mosena also Dallas Parish.... William the father, is 47 born Pluscardon, Ann is also 47 born Dallas, and then Elspet, 21, David 19, Eliz 16, William 14, Jane 11; also a John Hardie, nephew age 7 born Elgin and 2 servants. William was a farmer of 40 acres. When I surfed for the Parish of Dallas, Moray there is some info there on the Cumming Family...you will be interested in that. Been here all afternoon and need to get some dinner on the go....back later.... Well, you got one foot into Scotland......giggling here.... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? it's missing............where is the Administrator...?? I have the baptism from Scotland's People for Elizabeth Cumming.....lets wait a bit and see if the first one shows up...I need your email address and I'm not sure it should go on line...maybe the Administrator can help us out here? Or give you my email address......Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, are you teasing me :) or is the first part of your message missing? D -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? further.......looks like you are landing in the Cumming stomping grounds....Sir,no less...back to 1400 or so...you, Lady dear, now have your hands full!! giggling here...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? 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it's missing............where is the Administrator...?? I have the baptism from Scotland's People for Elizabeth Cumming.....lets wait a bit and see if the first one shows up...I need your email address and I'm not sure it should go on line...maybe the Administrator can help us out here? Or give you my email address......Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, are you teasing me :) or is the first part of your message missing? D -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? further.......looks like you are landing in the Cumming stomping grounds....Sir,no less...back to 1400 or so...you, Lady dear, now have your hands full!! giggling here...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? 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Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? Donna Holland, Oklahoma, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

further.......looks like you are landing in the Cumming stomping grounds....Sir,no less...back to 1400 or so...you, Lady dear, now have your hands full!! giggling here...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? 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I have spent about 3 hours looking and came up empty....NOW, however because of that, I've gone to Scotland's People in frustration and have Elizabeth's baptismal and birth record from the OPR's.......her father was William CUMMING; mother was Ann BUIE. She is born 29 July 1834 just like the census said, and baptized 13th August........and GET THIS.......there are witnesses to her baptism.... One is John LESLIE in Craigroy, and the other is William RUSSELL in Tovehead (I think it says Tovehead). I'm sure one of the Listers will set me straight if I'm wrong on the name of the crofts. The parish is Dallas, in the county of Moray.........so in the highlands..........If you send me an email direct I will send you the copy of the Old Parish Record. NOW we should easily find the CUMMING family on the [email protected] on the 1851 or at least the 1841...so we will get any siblings etc. IF this shoe was on my foot I would want to see the LDS film for the parish of Dallas for these years. Likely it will have the marriage of her mother and father, and any siblings also recorded. BUT what is up with this LESLIE fellow? And the plot thickens...could it just be John is the father of Alexander..........now how good would that be...or impossible? So now one foot is in Scotland and we need to get the other one there. Welcome, Highlander.........it is beautiful in the Highlands. You have a reason now to go.......LOL... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie. It's nice to know I'm working with an "insider". I too have felt that they probably married in Canada. Alexander would have been about 28 years old when he came across, but Elizabeth would have been only about twenty. I do most of my researching through FamilyTreeMaker/Ancestry.com or Family Search, and as yet have been unable to find a marriage record for them in either country. According to an article about the historical neighborhoods of Middlesex, Alexander Leslie started his nursery there in the mid 1860's, the property being along the Thames River. It was called Blackfriar's Nursery, and the address was 81 Wilson Ave., which is where their house was also. I've seen their religion listed as Presbyterian, Canada Presbyterian. Do not know what church they may have attended nor where they are buried, although one of their daughters, Annie, is buried at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Ontario. It doesn't appear that any of the three daughters ever married. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Well, here's my two-bits worth......I am willing to bet they married in Canada...it's too long a stretch to think they married but never had children until 1861. I have a bit of hands on with Middlesex as my Grandfather came to there from Scotland also 1854. I'll see what I can dig up. This helps me as I'm sure it will help others. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Goldie, you can be "cheeky" anytime you like. I need all the help I can get. Here's the family group info for my husband's great-grandfather/great-grandmother: Alexander Leslie, born 02 Oct 1826, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Elizabeth Cumming, his wife, born 29 Jul 1834, Scotland (unsure location in Scotland, and maiden name is seen spelled Cumming/Cummings in different records; given name sometimes seen as Betsy) Children (in order of birth, all born Ontario). Believe this list is complete as it matches other families' notes: James Leslie, born 13 Jan 1861, Middlesex, London, Ontario Alexander J. Leslie, born 21 July 1862, " " " (have good family history on his descendants) Isabella ("Bella") Leslie, born 1864 (unable to find full date of birth, but she died 22 Jun, 1896) " " " Annie C. Leslie, born 29 Jan 1865 " " " (Have wondered if the middle name might have been Cummingi.) William Henry Leslie, born 12 Jan 1868 " " " ; this is my husband's grandfather and I have complete history on him. Oliver Bremner Lesie, born 28 Jul 1870 (have seen his middle name spelled many ways; Brammer, Bremmer, Bremner); am suspecting it is Bremner as I believe that may be a connected family surname somewhere back in Scotland. Bessie Hellen Leslie, born 16 Jul 1871 " " " ; last known of her is she was still alive in 1935 in London, Ontario. Back to Alexander and Elizabeth Cumming .... they immigrated in 1854 and their first child was born in 1861. I have no idea where they marrieds (Scotland or Canada?) and no idea of where they were living between 1854 and 1961. That's about all I've got to go on, Goldie. You see some names here that could fit the pattern if Elizabeth Cumming Leslie was the daughter of William Cumming and Ann Buie, and also if Alexander Leslie (Sr.) was the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce. Do you see any new clues here? Thanks for your continued patience and help. Donna Afton, OK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? The 1901 CAD census shows them in Middlesex, London,West Ward 2, Ontario. Alexander shows as Father, Gardener, born Scotland 2 Oct 1826. Elizabeth shows as "head"..born Scotland 29 July 1834 age 66. Also Annie, daughter, single born 29 Jan 1865 in Ontario age 36 and Bessie E. daughter, Single born 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. We talked about this, and you said his death cert showed he was infirm. Ok.......so now...we know that his wife was Elizabeth -- you gave the last name of Cummin.....search for CUMMING/s. I suspect somewhere the 'g' and possibly the 's' got dropped, spelling of last names in this time frame was not a big deal like it is today. Not unusual either to find various spellings of last names. This info from Automated Genealogy on the split screen information from the original census document. On an earlier census at family search.org I found a James and Alexander..sons to this Alexander....and there may be more children. IF Alexander is the first son born, then I am going to suggest that the father of Alexander born 1826 is Alexander Leslie.......if there is an Isobel in the family then he has to be the son of Alexander Leslie and Isabel Fordyce.......and is born in Culsalmond, Aberdeenshire. The other option was a Robert, and I have not seen a mention of that name. You don't give much info....if you have a list of the children, it is pointless for me to sit and try to find them all. Will you post it? You don't need the DNA to back track, although....helpful maybe. What the Listers need to know to help you out, is dates and other like info that you have. AT the risk of being cheeky here, and I apologize if you take offence, but we don't have to re-invent the wheel......IF you can supply more info then you will get all the help and likely more (tongue in cheek) that you need or maybe want. We will all help you. Incidentally, I find no trace of Elizabeth, Annie or Bessie on the 1911 census, but I only searched in Ontario. I am now going to search [email protected] in Scotland and see what shows up. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Did any of the children have 2nd names? Or does the last name of Fordyce or Gibb show up as 2nd names in the grandchildren or their own children? Although not always done, it is sometimes a good clue. I was busy the other day, but I'll backtrack and see what I can find. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? My thanks to Ray and Andy, Goldie, el al, for your suggestions on locating Scotland info on my husband's gr-grandfather Alexander Leslie and his wife Elizabeth Cumming. I lean towards the father Alexander Leslie/mother Isabel Fordyce as being Alex's parents, but this is going strictly on the date of birth being a match, plus the fact that Scotland census listed him as an ag laborer and he later became a nurseryman in London, Ontario. There were some matches in names in the next generation: William, Alexander, Isabel, Ann. I just may have to wait for someone to match in a DNA test to actually prove. You are a very helpful group of researchers and I can tell you have been much aid to many others. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Donna Holland Afton, OK, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Looks like 2 choices...from Scotland's People......These may be christening dates.......1. Father is Alex Leslie, mother is Isabel Fordyce...14/10/1826 Culsalmond, AB... 2. Father is Robert Leslie, Mother is Mgrt Gibb 30/10/1826 Fyvie, AB. IF they followed the naming pattern... BIG IF... the first son should be either Alexander OR Robert.....ONE of the daughters should be named Isabel (#2 daughter) or Margaret (#1 daughter). Now check [email protected] for the 1841 and 1851 census and see what you can find in Aberdeen..the ball passes to you. Go forth...Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Thanks, Goldie, and yes, Alexander was "infirm" before he passed. Death record states "softening of the brain". I have the information for their children, which were all born in Ontario. Now I'm trying to jump the pond and learn about the Leslie and Cummins/Cummings ancestors in Scotland. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? On Automated Genealogy.com... Alex Leslie, father, b 2 Oct 1826 age 74 born Scotland ...occupation Gardener, came to Canada 1854. Wife is Elizabeth, married, Head, (? could Alex have been infirm?) b 29 July 1834 age 66 b Scotland. Annie, female, daughter, single b Ontario 29 Jan 1865 Bessie E. daughter single B 16 July 1871 age 29 b Ontario. You need to get the 1881 census, 1861 census as well, I have no access......and then the 1811 to see what happened to Elizabeth and the daughters... A word of advice...watch the name CUMMINS...it may be CumminGs....... Good luck... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Donna Holland Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, Ed, and it's good to have your response. This is the first time I've posted on here, so I'm a "newbie" at this (although I've been researching for 30+ years). My husband's great-grandfather was Alexander Leslie, born Aberdeenshire, in abt 1827. He came to Canada in 1854. His wife was named Elizabeth Cummins and she was born abt 1834, either in Aberdeenshire or perhaps Edinburg, and she also came to Canada in 1854. I do not know anything of their parents or possible siblings, nor do I know if Alexander and Elizabeth married in Scotland or in Canada. When they arrived Canada they settled in London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada where Alexander opened and ran a successful nursery business for several decades before he died in 1901. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen & Ed Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello Donna, I have both names in my family tree; mostly from Aberdeenshire. Can you provide some forenames and dates and places, and I will see if we have any matches. Kind regards Ed Stewart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Holland Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Leslie researchers? Hello, is anyone on this site researching Leslie and Cummins lines in Aberdeenshire? 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