My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original spelling and pronunciation! Venita On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: > >> >> >> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >> to match her wedding gown :-) . >> >> Margaret Gibbs > > ===================================== > Hi Margaret > > "Christianna" is a fairly well established name. It was used in Medieval > Latin documents [in the variant form "Christiana"] for the female > "Christian" and was used widely in common parlance. It has been revived as > a given name since Victorian times so your gt-gt-gm was only following > fashion. And why not? Maybe we all need to be a bit frilly at times?? > [Personal photo not attached] > > Regards > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > NB I have changed the Subject as someone picked it up from their Spam > folder and the inclusion of *SPAM* in the heading forced it into mine!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: > > > And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my > gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd > found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her > husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said > he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- > and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as > "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name > to match her wedding gown :-) . > > Margaret Gibbs ===================================== Hi Margaret "Christianna" is a fairly well established name. It was used in Medieval Latin documents [in the variant form "Christiana"] for the female "Christian" and was used widely in common parlance. It has been revived as a given name since Victorian times so your gt-gt-gm was only following fashion. And why not? Maybe we all need to be a bit frilly at times?? [Personal photo not attached] Regards Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net NB I have changed the Subject as someone picked it up from their Spam folder and the inclusion of *SPAM* in the heading forced it into mine!!

Look out also for the name Ray - my GG hd two Granddaguhters named after her - one was May and the other Ray! Ruth (NSW Australia) ----- Original Message ----- From: <bethanyc@aebc.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Margaret Wilson/Joseph Ironside > May was a very common nickname for Mary in the > past. Queen Mary, wife of King George V, was known > as May to her family. When I'm searching for > records of my gt-gt-grandmother Mary Willox > Clerihew, I search under both Mary and May, since > just asking for "name variants" doesn't pick it > up. Her name could have been given as either and > the person recording would accept it as given. > People were not as pedantic about name variations > and spellings in the past as they are now. (I have > another gt-gt-grandmother who appears as > Christian/Christina/Christine/Christiana/Chursty/Kirstie > throughout her life. None of these would be > considered an error, by her or anyone else.) > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > On 01/10/2013 3:45 AM, Janet wrote: >> I dont see you have had a response; I dont think its wise to be >> persuaded by any "tree" >> that cant provide source information. I have no conclusive answer but >> you are part way >> there in having a burial record to enable you to trace backward, which is >> what we do by >> default. Uncertainty is often the enduring situation. >> In 1851 I found one Joseph Ironside b abt 1793 who has Mary in his >> household. The >> transcription states he was born in Old Deer, Banffshire and that Mary >> Ironside is his >> spouse and her mother Margrat Wilson born 1769 who is also in the >> household at South >> Street, Fetterangus, Aberdeenshire. In 1861 Joseph is aged 69 at Old >> Deer with "May >> Ironside" (probably a mis transcriptin) You would now be able to >> purchase his death >> certificate for them both to examine the evidence relating to them both; >> hopefully it >> would give you the names of their parents and, possibly, a date of >> marriage which may or >> may not be after. Of course, the information in the death certificate >> is only as good as >> the Informant but it might help you reach a decision about what you >> decide to do in your >> record keeping. >> Hope this helps. >> >> Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cindy Seibel" <cgseibel@shaw.ca> >> >> >>> Hello listers. >>> >>> I'm wondering if someone might be able to help - either with information >>> or a path to >>> get it. >>> >>> I am looking for the Margaret Wilson that married Joseph Ironside 18 Aug >>> 1789 in Old >>> Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. The name appears in two different family >>> trees using the >>> same birth record - b. 8 april 1759. The second tree marries her to >>> William Lillie 22 >>> Aug 1785 and d. 29 Sep 1820 (with record from New Deer cemetery >>> attesting). >>> >>> There is an 1851 census record showing Margaret living with her son >>> Joseph and his wife, >>> and her est. birth year is 1769 in Old Deer. Assuming this is actually >>> the correct birth >>> year, I still don't have a conclusive Old Deer birth record that >>> matches. There is an >>> Auchterless record in 1768 and 2 Old Deer records in 1765 and 1766. >>> >>> Is there a "best" way to match Margaret to her birth records, and >>> therefore her parents? >>> >>> Thanks for your help! >>> Cindy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cindy: Janet is quite right, the abbreviation "Marg" may well be transcribed as "Mary". The Scotland's People website is generally very good at avoiding this error but it will depend on which sources you use and the quality of the record. Family Search uses transcribers across the globe and some of them don't have English as a first language so errors have crept in. FreeCEN has a fairly rigorous checking system but again errors like this may also arise. Given the period you are looking for Margaret's birth, it is quite possible that the record, even if there was one, no longer survives. Loss, damp and animal activity has destroyed many parish records, unfortunately. Bethany: Don't forget "Kitty". My wife had a cousin who had been Kitty all her life. We didn't know until we got her grandmother's death certificate on which she was the Informant, that Kitty's birth name was Christian not Katherine as we had assumed! We think she would have used her full name on official documents but other, not so official, references may have "Kitty" Regards Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 1 October 2013 23:34, <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: > May was a very common nickname for Mary in the > past. Queen Mary, wife of King George V, was known > as May to her family. When I'm searching for > records of my gt-gt-grandmother Mary Willox > Clerihew, I search under both Mary and May, since > just asking for "name variants" doesn't pick it > up. Her name could have been given as either and > the person recording would accept it as given. > People were not as pedantic about name variations > and spellings in the past as they are now. (I have > another gt-gt-grandmother who appears as > Christian/Christina/Christine/Christiana/Chursty/Kirstie > throughout her life. None of these would be > considered an error, by her or anyone else.) > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > On 01/10/2013 3:45 AM, Janet wrote: > > I dont see you have had a response; I dont think its wise to be > persuaded by any "tree" > > that cant provide source information. I have no conclusive answer but > you are part way > > there in having a burial record to enable you to trace backward, which > is what we do by > > default. Uncertainty is often the enduring situation. > > In 1851 I found one Joseph Ironside b abt 1793 who has Mary in his > household. The > > transcription states he was born in Old Deer, Banffshire and that Mary > Ironside is his > > spouse and her mother Margrat Wilson born 1769 who is also in the > household at South > > Street, Fetterangus, Aberdeenshire. In 1861 Joseph is aged 69 at Old > Deer with "May > > Ironside" (probably a mis transcriptin) You would now be able to > purchase his death > > certificate for them both to examine the evidence relating to them both; > hopefully it > > would give you the names of their parents and, possibly, a date of > marriage which may or > > may not be after. Of course, the information in the death certificate > is only as good as > > the Informant but it might help you reach a decision about what you > decide to do in your > > record keeping. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cindy Seibel" <cgseibel@shaw.ca> > > > > > >> Hello listers. > >> > >> I'm wondering if someone might be able to help - either with > information or a path to > >> get it. > >> > >> I am looking for the Margaret Wilson that married Joseph Ironside 18 > Aug 1789 in Old > >> Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. The name appears in two different family > trees using the > >> same birth record - b. 8 april 1759. The second tree marries her to > William Lillie 22 > >> Aug 1785 and d. 29 Sep 1820 (with record from New Deer cemetery > attesting). > >> > >> There is an 1851 census record showing Margaret living with her son > Joseph and his wife, > >> and her est. birth year is 1769 in Old Deer. Assuming this is actually > the correct birth > >> year, I still don't have a conclusive Old Deer birth record that > matches. There is an > >> Auchterless record in 1768 and 2 Old Deer records in 1765 and 1766. > >> > >> Is there a "best" way to match Margaret to her birth records, and > therefore her parents? > >> > >> Thanks for your help! > >> Cindy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 02/10/2013 1:20 AM, Ray Hennessy wrote: > Cindy: Janet is quite right, the abbreviation "Marg" may well be > transcribed as "Mary". The Scotland's People website is generally very > good at avoiding this error but it will depend on which sources you use and > the quality of the record. I found "Mary" in an Ontario Genealogical Society transcription of a Canadian census for a great-grandmother really named Margaret. (Whether the work was done by OGS members or taken from another source, I don't know.) Looking at a copy of the microfilmed original, I probably would have transcribed the blurred handwriting of "Marg" as "Mary" myself had I not known her real name. > > Bethany: Don't forget "Kitty". My wife had a cousin who had been Kitty > all her life. We didn't know until we got her grandmother's death > certificate on which she was the Informant, that Kitty's birth name was > Christian not Katherine as we had assumed! We think she would have used > her full name on official documents but other, not so official, references > may have "Kitty" And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name to match her wedding gown :-) . Margaret Gibbs > > > On 1 October 2013 23:34, <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: > >> May was a very common nickname for Mary in the >> past. Queen Mary, wife of King George V, was known >> as May to her family. When I'm searching for >> records of my gt-gt-grandmother Mary Willox >> Clerihew, I search under both Mary and May, since >> just asking for "name variants" doesn't pick it >> up. Her name could have been given as either and >> the person recording would accept it as given. >> People were not as pedantic about name variations >> and spellings in the past as they are now. (I have >> another gt-gt-grandmother who appears as >> Christian/Christina/Christine/Christianna/Chursty/Kirstie >> throughout her life. None of these would be >> considered an error, by her or anyone else.) >> >> Margaret Gibbs >> >> >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

May was a very common nickname for Mary in the past. Queen Mary, wife of King George V, was known as May to her family. When I'm searching for records of my gt-gt-grandmother Mary Willox Clerihew, I search under both Mary and May, since just asking for "name variants" doesn't pick it up. Her name could have been given as either and the person recording would accept it as given. People were not as pedantic about name variations and spellings in the past as they are now. (I have another gt-gt-grandmother who appears as Christian/Christina/Christine/Christiana/Chursty/Kirstie throughout her life. None of these would be considered an error, by her or anyone else.) Margaret Gibbs On 01/10/2013 3:45 AM, Janet wrote: > I dont see you have had a response; I dont think its wise to be persuaded by any "tree" > that cant provide source information. I have no conclusive answer but you are part way > there in having a burial record to enable you to trace backward, which is what we do by > default. Uncertainty is often the enduring situation. > In 1851 I found one Joseph Ironside b abt 1793 who has Mary in his household. The > transcription states he was born in Old Deer, Banffshire and that Mary Ironside is his > spouse and her mother Margrat Wilson born 1769 who is also in the household at South > Street, Fetterangus, Aberdeenshire. In 1861 Joseph is aged 69 at Old Deer with "May > Ironside" (probably a mis transcriptin) You would now be able to purchase his death > certificate for them both to examine the evidence relating to them both; hopefully it > would give you the names of their parents and, possibly, a date of marriage which may or > may not be after. Of course, the information in the death certificate is only as good as > the Informant but it might help you reach a decision about what you decide to do in your > record keeping. > Hope this helps. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy Seibel" <cgseibel@shaw.ca> > > >> Hello listers. >> >> I'm wondering if someone might be able to help - either with information or a path to >> get it. >> >> I am looking for the Margaret Wilson that married Joseph Ironside 18 Aug 1789 in Old >> Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. The name appears in two different family trees using the >> same birth record - b. 8 april 1759. The second tree marries her to William Lillie 22 >> Aug 1785 and d. 29 Sep 1820 (with record from New Deer cemetery attesting). >> >> There is an 1851 census record showing Margaret living with her son Joseph and his wife, >> and her est. birth year is 1769 in Old Deer. Assuming this is actually the correct birth >> year, I still don't have a conclusive Old Deer birth record that matches. There is an >> Auchterless record in 1768 and 2 Old Deer records in 1765 and 1766. >> >> Is there a "best" way to match Margaret to her birth records, and therefore her parents? >> >> Thanks for your help! >> Cindy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Janet. Thanks for the note. I believe Margrat Wilson in the 1851 record is actually Joseph's mother. That would be Joseph Jr. And then he and his wife Mary (I agree it's a transcription problem) in the 1861 census record. I've confirmed that Margaret Wilson and Joseph Ironside Sr are his parents; unfortunately its Margaret's parents I'm looking for. I think my only hope is that Margaret Wilson died after 1854 and her death record would then hold more info. I have found a death record for 1855 that I"m hoping is her's that I'm in the process of tracking down. Anything before 1855 has borne little fruit for me. Thanks again. Cindy On 2013-10-01, at 4:45 AM, "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > I dont see you have had a response; I dont think its wise to be persuaded by any "tree" > that cant provide source information. I have no conclusive answer but you are part way > there in having a burial record to enable you to trace backward, which is what we do by > default. Uncertainty is often the enduring situation. > In 1851 I found one Joseph Ironside b abt 1793 who has Mary in his household. The > transcription states he was born in Old Deer, Banffshire and that Mary Ironside is his > spouse and her mother Margrat Wilson born 1769 who is also in the household at South > Street, Fetterangus, Aberdeenshire. In 1861 Joseph is aged 69 at Old Deer with "May > Ironside" (probably a mis transcriptin) You would now be able to purchase his death > certificate for them both to examine the evidence relating to them both; hopefully it > would give you the names of their parents and, possibly, a date of marriage which may or > may not be after. Of course, the information in the death certificate is only as good as > the Informant but it might help you reach a decision about what you decide to do in your > record keeping. > Hope this helps. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy Seibel" <cgseibel@shaw.ca> > > >> Hello listers. >> >> I'm wondering if someone might be able to help - either with information or a path to >> get it. >> >> I am looking for the Margaret Wilson that married Joseph Ironside 18 Aug 1789 in Old >> Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. The name appears in two different family trees using the >> same birth record - b. 8 april 1759. The second tree marries her to William Lillie 22 >> Aug 1785 and d. 29 Sep 1820 (with record from New Deer cemetery attesting). >> >> There is an 1851 census record showing Margaret living with her son Joseph and his wife, >> and her est. birth year is 1769 in Old Deer. Assuming this is actually the correct birth >> year, I still don't have a conclusive Old Deer birth record that matches. There is an >> Auchterless record in 1768 and 2 Old Deer records in 1765 and 1766. >> >> Is there a "best" way to match Margaret to her birth records, and therefore her parents? >> >> Thanks for your help! >> Cindy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I dont see you have had a response; I dont think its wise to be persuaded by any "tree" that cant provide source information. I have no conclusive answer but you are part way there in having a burial record to enable you to trace backward, which is what we do by default. Uncertainty is often the enduring situation. In 1851 I found one Joseph Ironside b abt 1793 who has Mary in his household. The transcription states he was born in Old Deer, Banffshire and that Mary Ironside is his spouse and her mother Margrat Wilson born 1769 who is also in the household at South Street, Fetterangus, Aberdeenshire. In 1861 Joseph is aged 69 at Old Deer with "May Ironside" (probably a mis transcriptin) You would now be able to purchase his death certificate for them both to examine the evidence relating to them both; hopefully it would give you the names of their parents and, possibly, a date of marriage which may or may not be after. Of course, the information in the death certificate is only as good as the Informant but it might help you reach a decision about what you decide to do in your record keeping. Hope this helps. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Seibel" <cgseibel@shaw.ca> > Hello listers. > > I'm wondering if someone might be able to help - either with information or a path to > get it. > > I am looking for the Margaret Wilson that married Joseph Ironside 18 Aug 1789 in Old > Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. The name appears in two different family trees using the > same birth record - b. 8 april 1759. The second tree marries her to William Lillie 22 > Aug 1785 and d. 29 Sep 1820 (with record from New Deer cemetery attesting). > > There is an 1851 census record showing Margaret living with her son Joseph and his wife, > and her est. birth year is 1769 in Old Deer. Assuming this is actually the correct birth > year, I still don't have a conclusive Old Deer birth record that matches. There is an > Auchterless record in 1768 and 2 Old Deer records in 1765 and 1766. > > Is there a "best" way to match Margaret to her birth records, and therefore her parents? > > Thanks for your help! > Cindy

I reiterate everything you say George. I would not call myself a Nationalist and have grave doubts about Scottish independence, but having lived out of Scotland since I was 21, I have always been very proud to call myself a Scot. I've lived in Belgium since 1972 and count very many Belgians and other nationalities as friends. Like George, I am frequently asked if I am English and my response is very similar. "I am Scottish and British, speak perfect English but am NOT English". They are beginning to realise there is a difference. Eunice On 30 September 2013 21:31, George Brander <george.brander@gmail.com> wrote: > >From my experience as a Scot born in Scotland but living in England > for a long time I found that for most of the English folk I > encountered English was synonymous with British and interchangeable, > sometimes but not always with a touch of arrogance about thier "North > British" neighbours! > > In my opinion Scots in the last century were brought up to regard > themselves more as British, certainly this was my experience growing > up in Aberdeen in the 1940s and 50s. I remember as a youngster when I > refused to accept the Coronation gifts of a New Testament and a box of > chocolates at school because they were emblazoned with the > historically untruthful motif of EIIR ( the United Kingdom which came > into being with a Scottish monarch assuming the crown of England in > 1603 and so never had an Elizabeth ). I was very much in a minority > and the Rector of AGS was in a blue funk as he tried to persuade me > to accept because of the adverse publicity which might come the way of > the school. > > In recent years Scots have become more aware of their individual > national identity and are more willing to stand up and be counted. > Living in a foreign country I now respond to the oft asked question > "are you English?" with the reply "No, I am Scottish but I speak > English". To those who might understand including my English friends I > explain that I am British by birth and by passport, a Spanish Resident > by choice but Scottish by the Grace of God. > > I cannot speak for the Welsh but I have always found them very > conscious of their national identity and heritage. > > regards > George > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > > > On 28 September 2013 13:46, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Something to do with the 2 Kingdoms perhaps whereas Wales doesn't have > anything quit so > > significant since Tudor times. > > > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> > > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] For your successors > > > > > >> The most interesting data this news report showed was that the > >> proportion of Scots who felt "Scottish only" was LOWER than the > >> equivalent results for Wales and for England, suggesting that the Scots > >> feel more British than the English or Welsh. > >> Gordon. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From my experience as a Scot born in Scotland but living in England for a long time I found that for most of the English folk I encountered English was synonymous with British and interchangeable, sometimes but not always with a touch of arrogance about thier "North British" neighbours! In my opinion Scots in the last century were brought up to regard themselves more as British, certainly this was my experience growing up in Aberdeen in the 1940s and 50s. I remember as a youngster when I refused to accept the Coronation gifts of a New Testament and a box of chocolates at school because they were emblazoned with the historically untruthful motif of EIIR ( the United Kingdom which came into being with a Scottish monarch assuming the crown of England in 1603 and so never had an Elizabeth ). I was very much in a minority and the Rector of AGS was in a blue funk as he tried to persuade me to accept because of the adverse publicity which might come the way of the school. In recent years Scots have become more aware of their individual national identity and are more willing to stand up and be counted. Living in a foreign country I now respond to the oft asked question "are you English?" with the reply "No, I am Scottish but I speak English". To those who might understand including my English friends I explain that I am British by birth and by passport, a Spanish Resident by choice but Scottish by the Grace of God. I cannot speak for the Welsh but I have always found them very conscious of their national identity and heritage. regards George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 28 September 2013 13:46, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Something to do with the 2 Kingdoms perhaps whereas Wales doesn't have anything quit so > significant since Tudor times. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] For your successors > > >> The most interesting data this news report showed was that the >> proportion of Scots who felt "Scottish only" was LOWER than the >> equivalent results for Wales and for England, suggesting that the Scots >> feel more British than the English or Welsh. >> Gordon. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use Hotmail and haven't received any messages for ages. It would be weeks since I have had a message. > From: aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 188 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:00:33 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. For your successors (Janet) > 2. messages (John & Mary Cubitt) > 3. Re: messages (bethanyc@aebc.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:56:51 +0100 > From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] For your successors > To: <Aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D4AEE8A067E49E09063B5374F90E0C2@JanetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Have you decided to whom your records will pass? Some information about the results of > the 2011 census > > 26 September 2013 Last updated at 10:21 > Census suggests most Scots 'only feel Scottish' - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24282271 (some feel Scottish & British) > 11 things we learned from the census of Scottish people > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754751 > The first results released from Scotland's 2011 Census are not as detailed as the data > from England and Wales last week. > We will have to wait until next year for such a breakdown of Scotland's figures. However, > there is much of interest in the first results. > Scotland's population climbs to record level > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23614135 > > Janet > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:55:01 +1200 > From: "John & Mary Cubitt" <cubes.jm@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] messages > To: "Aberdeen Scotland" <ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6EC0FCE20EBA46289B1085A624CD35B1@dell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? > > Mary > NZ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:23:20 -0700 > From: bethanyc@aebc.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] messages > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <524675D8.3030007@aebc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Are you using Thunderbird for email? After one of > their upgrades, the supposedly improved model > started refusing all messages from email lists. I > had to go to the settings options on my service > provider's website and enter the names of all my > lists, not just Rootsweb ones, and tell it to > accept each one. I don't know why it started doing > that. A technician at my ISP said something about > "the new version has a very high spam rating", but > I'm afraid that explanation went right over my > head. All I know is that after getting stern with > it, it was suitably chastened and now lets me have > list mail. (However, there doesn't seem to have > been much from Aberdeen lately. I remember when I > subscribed to this list in past years there were > spells of high activity when there was more > Aberdeen mail every day than from any other of my > lists of all kinds.) > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > > > On 27/09/2013 10:55 PM, John & Mary Cubitt wrote: > > I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? > > > > Mary > > NZ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 188 > ****************************************

Hi Wendy ISPs are getting more ruthless when it comes to culling out what THEY consider to be Spam. Make sure that you have '@rootsweb.com' in your Trusted (or whatever your ISP calls it) box. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Evans <naraleen@hotmail.com> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:35:24 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 188 I use Hotmail and haven't received any messages for ages. It would be weeks since I have had a message. > From: aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 188 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:00:33 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. For your successors (Janet) > 2. messages (John & Mary Cubitt) > 3. Re: messages (bethanyc@aebc.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:56:51 +0100 > From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] For your successors > To: <Aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D4AEE8A067E49E09063B5374F90E0C2@JanetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Have you decided to whom your records will pass? Some information about the results of > the 2011 census > > 26 September 2013 Last updated at 10:21 > Census suggests most Scots 'only feel Scottish' - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24282271 (some feel Scottish & British) > 11 things we learned from the census of Scottish people > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754751 > The first results released from Scotland's 2011 Census are not as detailed as the data > from England and Wales last week. > We will have to wait until next year for such a breakdown of Scotland's figures. However, > there is much of interest in the first results. > Scotland's population climbs to record level > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23614135 > > Janet > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:55:01 +1200 > From: "John & Mary Cubitt" <cubes.jm@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [ABERDEEN] messages > To: "Aberdeen Scotland" <ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6EC0FCE20EBA46289B1085A624CD35B1@dell> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? > > Mary > NZ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:23:20 -0700 > From: bethanyc@aebc.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] messages > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <524675D8.3030007@aebc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Are you using Thunderbird for email? After one of > their upgrades, the supposedly improved model > started refusing all messages from email lists. I > had to go to the settings options on my service > provider's website and enter the names of all my > lists, not just Rootsweb ones, and tell it to > accept each one. I don't know why it started doing > that. A technician at my ISP said something about > "the new version has a very high spam rating", but > I'm afraid that explanation went right over my > head. All I know is that after getting stern with > it, it was suitably chastened and now lets me have > list mail. (However, there doesn't seem to have > been much from Aberdeen lately. I remember when I > subscribed to this list in past years there were > spells of high activity when there was more > Aberdeen mail every day than from any other of my > lists of all kinds.) > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > > > On 27/09/2013 10:55 PM, John & Mary Cubitt wrote: > > I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? > > > > Mary > > NZ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 188 > **************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? Mary NZ

a > Message Received: Sep 28 2013, 12:04 PM > From: "Les Horn" > To: sct-aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: re: Emigrants to Canada > > Hi all > > Whilst looking at immigrants into Canada I came accross the following: > ------------------------------- > Burials at Grosse-Île > Date: 1848-09-12 > Name: Cruickshank, Ellen > Category:  Immigrant > Parents: Cruickshank, John (Forgeron) and Cruickshank, Jean Gillow - (Écosse) > Religion: Protestante > Age: 8 Year(s) > Sex: F > Origin: Écosse, comté Aberdeen Date of Death: 1848-09-11 > Witness(es): Cruickshank, John (Père) (Forgeron) > Cruickshank, Jean (Mère) > McBrien, Thomas > Priest: Mountain, Armine Wale > Reference: Registre BMS 1848 > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, Anglican Travelling Missionaries District of Quebec: 1826-1848 > ------------------------------- > Burials at Grosse-Île > Date: 1848-09-16 > Name: Cruickshank, John > Category:  Immigrant > Parents: Cruickshank, John (Forgeron) and Cruickshank, Jean Gallacy - (Écosse) > Religion: Protestante > Age: 2 ans & 6 mois Year(s) > Sex: M Origin: Écosse, comté Aberdeen > Date of Death: 1848-09-14 > Witness(es): > Cruickshank, John (Père) (Forgeron) > McBrian, Thomas > Priest: Mountain, Armine Wale > Reference: Registre BMS 1848 > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, Anglican Travelling Missionaries District of Quebec: 1826-1848 > ------------------------------- > Burials at Grosse-Île Date: 1842-08-12 > Name: Halcroft, John > Category:  Immigrant > Parents: Halcroft, Lawrence and Halcroft, Mary - (Écosse) > Religion: Protestante > Age: 6 mois Year(s) > Sex: M > Origin: Écosse, Aberdeen > Date of Death: 1842-08-11 > Witness(es): > Halcroft, Mary > Lindsay, W. > Priest: Ross, Edward George William > Reference: Register of Rivière du Loup & GI, Church of England 1842 > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, Registre d'état civil, Rivière-du-Loup-en-Bas. > ------------------------------- > Burials at Grosse-Île > Date: 1844-07-18 > Name: Simpson, Elizabeth Leslie > Category:  Immigrant > Religion: Protestante > Marital Status: Mariée > Age: 60 Year(s) > Sex: F > Origin: Écosse, comté Aberdeen > Spouse: Simpson, Alexander > Date of Death: 1844-07-18 > Witness(es): > McKergow, John > Cullingford, John (Remplace Charles Rollit) > Priest: Cullingford, John Reference: Registre BMS 1844 > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, Anglican Travelling Missionaries District of Quebec: 1826-1848 > ------------------------------- > Burials at Grosse-Île > Date: 1845-09-25 > Name: Weir, James > Category:  Immigrant > Parents: Weir, James and Weir, Isabella - (Écosse) > Religion: Protestante > Age: 2 Year(s) > Sex: M > Origin: Écosse, comté Aberdeen > Date of Death: 1845-09-24 > Witness(es): > McKergow, John > Cullingford, John (Remplace Charles Rollit) > Priest: Cullingford, John > Reference: Registre BMS 1845 > Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, Anglican Travelling Missionaries District of Quebec: 1826-1848 > ------------------------------- > Regards > Les > >

Something to do with the 2 Kingdoms perhaps whereas Wales doesn't have anything quit so significant since Tudor times. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] For your successors > The most interesting data this news report showed was that the > proportion of Scots who felt "Scottish only" was LOWER than the > equivalent results for Wales and for England, suggesting that the Scots > feel more British than the English or Welsh. > Gordon.

The most interesting data this news report showed was that the proportion of Scots who felt "Scottish only" was LOWER than the equivalent results for Wales and for England, suggesting that the Scots feel more British than the English or Welsh. Gordon. On 28/09/2013 08:00, Janet wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:56:51 +0100 From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> Subject: [ABERDEEN] For your successors To: <Aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2D4AEE8A067E49E09063B5374F90E0C2@JanetPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Have you decided to whom your records will pass? Some information about the results of the 2011 census 26 September 2013 Last updated at 10:21 Census suggests most Scots 'only feel Scottish' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24282271 (some feel Scottish & British) 11 things we learned from the census of Scottish people http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754751 The first results released from Scotland's 2011 Census are not as detailed as the data from England and Wales last week. We will have to wait until next year for such a breakdown of Scotland's figures. However, there is much of interest in the first results. Scotland's population climbs to record level http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23614135 Janet

I have a picture of the Innes Family get-together taken in the 1920's at the "Lour" Hotel in Aberlour and would like your help in trying to identify some people there. For your convenience I have marked those that I already know. What is the best way for me to send it to you? William in Montreal

Are you using Thunderbird for email? After one of their upgrades, the supposedly improved model started refusing all messages from email lists. I had to go to the settings options on my service provider's website and enter the names of all my lists, not just Rootsweb ones, and tell it to accept each one. I don't know why it started doing that. A technician at my ISP said something about "the new version has a very high spam rating", but I'm afraid that explanation went right over my head. All I know is that after getting stern with it, it was suitably chastened and now lets me have list mail. (However, there doesn't seem to have been much from Aberdeen lately. I remember when I subscribed to this list in past years there were spells of high activity when there was more Aberdeen mail every day than from any other of my lists of all kinds.) Margaret Gibbs On 27/09/2013 10:55 PM, John & Mary Cubitt wrote: > I don't seem to be receiving any messages from this site at all. What messages I am receiving are all going into my Spam folder. Any reason? > > Mary > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you decided to whom your records will pass? Some information about the results of the 2011 census 26 September 2013 Last updated at 10:21 Census suggests most Scots 'only feel Scottish' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24282271 (some feel Scottish & British) 11 things we learned from the census of Scottish people http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754751 The first results released from Scotland's 2011 Census are not as detailed as the data from England and Wales last week. We will have to wait until next year for such a breakdown of Scotland's figures. However, there is much of interest in the first results. Scotland's population climbs to record level http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23614135 Janet

In the pamphlet, entitled " The Mariners of Aberdeen and Northern Scotland 1700-1800 (Part One)" an entry for a seaman has cnf included. The cnf stands for confirmation of testament. Does this mean that the seaman has died or has just completed a testament before embarking on a fishing expedition? I had heard that it was customary to prepare a testament before every voyage. Would really appreciate some input on this. Thanks