For those Listers who have already shared with us that they will be visiting Scotland, I though it worth a mention about The Commonwealth Games http://www.glasgow2014.com/games which start in Glasgow on 23 July 2014; it will undoubtedly affect travel arrangements as well as accommodation bookings from the point of booking early. I suspect that it will affect the whole of Scotland in many ways, not only Glasgow Janet

Rhonda I'm not sure if you have found Boghead of Cobairdie on the maps but it is still there. If you put the OS reference NJ568443 into Streetmap.com and zoom out two steps you will find it marked. It is about 3 miles NE of Huntly , just off the A97 trunk road. I've looked at it on Google Streetview and it is clearly very much a working farm. However getting there without a car iwill prove a bit difficult! some people on the list have been going round photographing places of interest to other members so you may get more data from the List. Put "Cobairdie, Forgue, Scotland" into Google maps and it will actually find the Boghead of Cobairde farm for you [well it did for me!]. Cheers Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 9 October 2013 10:59, Rhonda Ross <rlross@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thank you Alison, > > It is appearing that it will be best to hire a car for at least 2-3 days to > visit all that I want to see. I can only imagine how my areas of interest > will expand over the next 9 months or so. The links that you have detailed > will be so helpful. My great grandparents were married at Boghead of > Cobairdy, so a visit there will also be on the list. > > Also, thank you for your suggestion of writing to the Aberdeen Press and > Journal in the hope of contacting relatives and meeting them. That will be > absolutely amazing if it should come to fruition. > > I am amazed at the response and helpful information that has been given to > me from the researchers this list . > > Regards > > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of B&A Smith > Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 6:07 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen > > Huntly and Monymusk might just be feasible by public transport, depending > on the exact locations you hope to visit, but you'll need a hire car for > Kildrummy and Forgue. Huntly is served by both rail and bus. Bus > timetables can be downloaded from > http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/publictransport/timetables/index.asp. You > might find it useful to refer to the map of burial grounds at > http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/index.html. The Aberdeenshire > Council website also includes an excellent mapping facility at > http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/local/map.asp, while for historic maps the > OS series is a good way of pinpointing dwellings no longer in existence. > Digital copies from the National Library of Scotland can be viewed (and > purchased very reasonably) at http://maps.nls.uk/series/index.html. > > > It's well worth checking out http://www.northeastscotlandroots.com for a > guide to resources and research facilities in the area and there is > additional helpful information at www.anesfhs.org.uk. > > >From Aberdeen it will take about an hour by car to get to Kildrummy, > slightly less to Huntly & Forgue, and only about 1/2 hour to Monymusk. > Huntly itself is probably as good a base as any (see > http://www.huntly.net/) > and Inverurie might also be suitable (though accommodation there is just as > costly there as in Aberdeen). > > You might also consider writing to the Aberdeen Press & Journal ( > http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/), specifying the families of interest to > you, and inviting relatives to get in contact in advance of your trip. > > Happy hunting! > > Alison > > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > > > Hello to all listers, > > > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson > > families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's > > in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and > > seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or > > could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of > my > > families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old > > be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a > little > > apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most > of > > every day. > > > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Joyce, I changed my UK Find my Past to the Aus & World Wide. Hope I can find the Obituary on that, if not, I will find someone local, at our Genealogy group, who is on the UK, F.M.P. system . Thank you for responding, Mary -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Fidler Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2013 8:49 a.m. To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James Murray M.P. The Find My Past site has many articles about Sir James, including a large obituary which appeared in he Aberdeen Press and Journal on 13 April 1933. I have only glanced at a few pages, but there is at least 1 photograph and 1 drawing of him. I didn't explore far enough to see if there was any mention of his family. HTH, Joyce Fidler ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@ How do I find information about Sir James Murray M.P. for Aberdeen East ? His name is mentioned in the New Zealand 1920 Obituary, as the Nephew of James Duff Murray who emigrated to New Zealand 1863. James ( junior), will also be the Nephew of my husband's Gt Grandfather, William Duff Murray. The Murray Family lived in the Woodside area, of Aberdeen. As far as I know only 2 brothers emigrated to New zealand, I know nothing about the other Siblings other than the names which are from census. Donald 1832: Mary Ann 1834; William Duff 1836 ( he emigrated to N.Z.) James Duff ( emigrated to N.Z. c 1839;) & David Smith 1832. Perhaps someone has the Family in their Tree ? I Googled James the MP with no luck Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8892 (20131008) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks Jane, The changing accents may be a bit of a concern if I don't understand, but yes it will be fun. I will definitely have a look at the travelinescotland website as I do want to mainly use public transport but may hire a car on few occasions. I am so looking forward to doing this. Regards Rhondda -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Kelly Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 5:26 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen Hi Rhonda, I use the traveline website: http://www.travelinescotland.com/welcome.do for planning public transport around Scotland. Having travelled the length and breadth of the country by bus I can heartily recommend this form of travel. The changing accents alone are worth a ride! Enjoy your travels, Jane nr Edinburgh On 08/10/2013 08:00, aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Yule -visit to Aberdeen (Ray Hennessy) > 2. Re: Yule -visit to Aberdeen (e-mail wrentony) > 3. Re: Variations on the forename: "Christian" (bethanyc@aebc.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:00:45 +0100 > From: Ray Hennessy <ray7033@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen > To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAHV-8CFyfJFWJEqH4-H9EBqnpKBuBGty3d5gPAzCQs0hDx_OeA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Rhonda > > I don't know about public transport though I do know there is a good train > service from Aberdeen to Huntly. I think you may find getting to actual > locations of interest a bit of a chore if you don't have your own > transport. Maybe locals can advise you more on this but I hav found a car > invaluable, especially to see the farms and cottages - and graveyards. Not > to mention the stunning views. > > Apart from that, do you expect to spend time in the King Street offices of > the Aberdeen & N E Scotland Family History Society? This is free for > members or there is a small daily charge for each non-member. If you are > going to spend a noticeable amount of time using their excellent services > then staying at The City Centre Premier Inn is a good base. It is not the > lowest cost place but is only 1-2 minutes from ANESFHS. If you do hire a > car for one or two days, it is easy to get out of town from there and there > is usually just about enough parking at the hotel. They do a massive > breakfast [for an extra fixed charge] or you can get simple food > [sandwiches, fruit] from the Morrisons Superstore [good Caf?] a bit further > up King Street - 4-5 minutes walk. > > If you do want to use ANESFHS, there are a number of B&Bs not too far away > but they can be variable. We stayed at a horrible one some years ago with > a loud-mouth, bigoted proprietor who never stopped going on about his > prejudices. We spent as much time out of the place as we could. Luckily > it was only a 20 minute walk to ANESFHS, or even quicker if a bus came > along. > > Evening meals can be excellent at one of the many restaurants. I am a bit > picky but have never been disappointed: English, Italian, indian, etc, food > all available and there are plenty of pubs. > > If you like Art, don't miss the Art Gallery in Schoolhill - 10 minutes walk > from ANESFHS [past Marks & Spencer - if you can!!]. It is superb. > > Enjoy your visit > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Hello to all listers, >> >> Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson >> families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's >> in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and >> seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or >> could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my >> families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old >> be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little >> apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of >> every day. >> >> Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rhonda in Cairns Australia >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:19:21 +0100 > From: e-mail wrentony <wrentony@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CA+1qeknXhnzmesH=VdTAMwg58Ssx9zs0Frp7WD+8C5Kwhx0=vQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > You could get to these places by bus, BUT you would have to walk about a > mile from the main road to Forgue, and bus journeys on most of the routes > are every two hours, and you would need to change several times. > > Much better to rent a car. Last time I did this I stayed at the Travelodge > at Bucksburn, pretty basic and cheap, but with a restaurant next door, and > very convenient for the airport and all the places you mention. With a car > also you can see many of the spendours of Aberdeenshire, but I should not > have chosen yuletide to do it! > > Good luck, > > Tony > > > On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Hello to all listers, >> >> Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson >> families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's >> in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and >> seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or >> could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my >> families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old >> be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little >> apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of >> every day. >> >> Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rhonda in Cairns Australia >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:09:05 -0700 > From: bethanyc@aebc.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52539371.8080104@aebc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I should have added that I now leave the gender > question on forms blank, or choose "Both" if > that's offered. I was thinking of new researchers > who have yet to learn the tricks and who might > give up, thinking that great-granny isn't recorded > anywhere. And researchers of the future will > indeed, as Janet says, have to learn that trick > quickly with the large number of formerly > masculine names now being used for both -- > although they then tend to become gradually > thought of as girls' names and the process starts > over with different ones, and a trend to use > formerly girls' names for boys is never, > historically, as common. > > Incidentally, the name Christian was used in the > British Isles for both boy and girl babies from > c1200 on (or at least, first appearing in records > around that date). It was never one of the heavily > used names like Elizabeth, Ann, Mary, Margaret or > Jane for girls, for example, but it hung in there > for centuries, originally in honour of various > saints named Christian or Christianus. However, > the modest surge in popularity and the division > into a distinctly male and female form happened in > England with the publication of Bunyan's > "Pilgrim's Progress" in 1678 (Part I) and 1684 > (Part II), the two parts being about the religious > pilgrimages of the husband and wife Christian and > Christiana. Interestingly (well, I think it's > interesting, but then I tend to go riding off on > my hobbyhorse when names are discussed), in > Scotland and Ireland the majority of "Christians" > (the basic name, setting aside the variants) were > girls, while more often the pet-name "Christie" > was used as a formally given name for boys, > leading to the use of that as a surname. > > Margaret Gibbs > whose father wanted to name her Marilyn because > "Margaret is so common in Scotland" (being the > most-used name for girls there for centuries > thanks to Saint/Queen Margaret), but who is > grateful her mother's wishes won out because the > name is woven so tightly into the fabric of the > country and binds me to so many, many ancestresses > > > > > > > > On 03/10/2013 1:33 PM, Janet wrote: >> I follow what you are saying about there being a male name "Christian" but isnt that late >> 19th century onward. >> I just wonder; those who know about variations in name giving, and my, dont we find some >> in names given to children nowadays, >> would we not leave the gender part of the search without selection?. I usually do, so it >> allows all results which are mostly >> sorted correctly gender-wise. Of course we have to use our eyes and not let the modern >> brain lead the way. >> >> Janet >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:<bethanyc@aebc.com> >> To:<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" >> >> >>> While I have the same pronunciation preference as >>> Venita, the problem that can raise for family >>> history researchers is that in England (and other >>> countries) "Christian" is a male forename, and if >>> you check off Female on some forms while searching >>> for a Scottish ancestress by that name, you get >>> back "0 results". But then try for a census record >>> using the name of someone else in her family, and >>> there little "Kursteen" (as one record had it) is, >>> as a daughter of the family. My paternal >>> Aberdonian grandparents and relatives all >>> pronounced the personal name "Christian" as >>> something close to the Scandinavian "Kirsten", >>> hence the abbreviated common pet-name Kirstie. >>> However, they pronounced the adjective referring >>> to the religion as "Kristin" (and my maternal >>> Borders relatives pronounced the personal name >>> also as "Kristin"). I remember as a small child >>> finding this fascinating, which probably helped to >>> nudge me eventually towards my academic career in >>> historical and comparative onomastics -- I even >>> managed to work my gt-gt-grandmother >>> Christian-et-al into the oral defence of my PhD >>> thesis on Scottish names. (Probably startled the >>> lady into a quick spin in her grave: "What? Did >>> the lassie just take my name in vain? What on >>> earth is the bairn talking about?" :-) ) >>> >>> Margaret Gibbs >>> >>> >>> On 03/10/2013 10:44 AM, Venita wrote: >>>> My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. >>>> My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called >>>> her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original >>>> spelling and pronunciation! >>>> >>>> Venita >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs<bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >>>>>> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >>>>>> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >>>>>> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >>>>>> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >>>>>> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >>>>>> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >>>>>> to match her wedding gown :-) . >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>>> message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 196 > **************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Tony for your reply to my posting. It would appear that it would be advantageous to hire a car and I will check out the Travelodge. We are considering August/September next year all going well, so I have plenty of time to plan this trip well. Regards Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of e-mail wrentony Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:19 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen You could get to these places by bus, BUT you would have to walk about a mile from the main road to Forgue, and bus journeys on most of the routes are every two hours, and you would need to change several times. Much better to rent a car. Last time I did this I stayed at the Travelodge at Bucksburn, pretty basic and cheap, but with a restaurant next door, and very convenient for the airport and all the places you mention. With a car also you can see many of the spendours of Aberdeenshire, but I should not have chosen yuletide to do it! Good luck, Tony On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > Hello to all listers, > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and > Anderson families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and > Forgue area's in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to > Aberdeen next year and seek suggestions on where to base my stay. > Would I need to hire a car or could I travel on public transport? I > would love to visit the graves of my families and of course if I could > meet up with unknown relatives that old be wonderful. I have never > travelled outside of Australia so I am a little apprehensive but look > forward to this journey and want to make the most of every day. > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > Many thanks > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do I find information about Sir James Murray M.P. for Aberdeen East ? His name is mentioned in the New Zealand 1920 Obituary, as the Nephew of James Duff Murray who emigrated to New Zealand 1863. James ( junior), will also be the Nephew of my husband's Gt Grandfather, William Duff Murray. The Murray Family lived in the Woodside area, of Aberdeen. As far as I know only 2 brothers emigrated to New zealand, I know nothing about the other Siblings other than the names which are from census. Donald 1832: Mary Ann 1834; William Duff 1836 ( he emigrated to N.Z.) James Duff ( emigrated to N.Z. c 1839;) & David Smith 1832. Perhaps someone has the Family in their Tree ? I Googled James the MP with no luck Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8888 (20131007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you Ray for your detailed response which will be so helpful. As I said in my post I have never travelled afar and whilst I am eager to visit I am a little wary about where to start. I do have a limited timeframe in which to work and really want to achieve as much as I can. I am fortunate, as a friend is going to do the trip with me and has similar interests (family history) but her ancestors are not Scottish. We also hope to travel to Edinburgh, Glasgow and maybe even Wick as my husband's Ross family have roots there. I had not thought of going to the Aberdeen & NE Scotland Family History Society but would consider that given my Great Grandfather William Yule is mentioned in many newspaper articles in the 1880's as a magistrate and draper from Duke Street Huntly. He has been a mysterious character during my research and would dearly love to discover more about him. The family did end up in London so will spend some time there also. A hotel appeals more that B & B's and I thank you for your recommendations. >From what you have said it would be more time effective to hire a car for a short time though I must say I do enjoy doing the public transport thing. May be hire for a day or so and do the cemetery's Once again thank you Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 8:01 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen Hi Rhonda I don't know about public transport though I do know there is a good train service from Aberdeen to Huntly. I think you may find getting to actual locations of interest a bit of a chore if you don't have your own transport. Maybe locals can advise you more on this but I hav found a car invaluable, especially to see the farms and cottages - and graveyards. Not to mention the stunning views. Apart from that, do you expect to spend time in the King Street offices of the Aberdeen & N E Scotland Family History Society? This is free for members or there is a small daily charge for each non-member. If you are going to spend a noticeable amount of time using their excellent services then staying at The City Centre Premier Inn is a good base. It is not the lowest cost place but is only 1-2 minutes from ANESFHS. If you do hire a car for one or two days, it is easy to get out of town from there and there is usually just about enough parking at the hotel. They do a massive breakfast [for an extra fixed charge] or you can get simple food [sandwiches, fruit] from the Morrisons Superstore [good Café] a bit further up King Street - 4-5 minutes walk. If you do want to use ANESFHS, there are a number of B&Bs not too far away but they can be variable. We stayed at a horrible one some years ago with a loud-mouth, bigoted proprietor who never stopped going on about his prejudices. We spent as much time out of the place as we could. Luckily it was only a 20 minute walk to ANESFHS, or even quicker if a bus came along. Evening meals can be excellent at one of the many restaurants. I am a bit picky but have never been disappointed: English, Italian, indian, etc, food all available and there are plenty of pubs. If you like Art, don't miss the Art Gallery in Schoolhill - 10 minutes walk from ANESFHS [past Marks & Spencer - if you can!!]. It is superb. Enjoy your visit Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > Hello to all listers, > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson > families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's > in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and > seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or > could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my > families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old > be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little > apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of > every day. > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > Many thanks > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is an edited copy of the email I sent to Mary Legarth in response to her query about Sir James Murray MP. Rootsweb rejected the table form for the catalogue record! R On 8 October 2013 16:29, Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > Hi Mary > > I did a bit of Googling and found an Obituary notice for the MP. He died > on 12 April 1932 or 1933 according to Wikipedia. The Aberdeen Press & > Journal have "Obituary Notices" in 1933 but these aren't on-line. The > index reference to the Notices / or the catalogue record is shown below > [or have a look at http://bit.ly/19xwyT8 ]. You may have to get someone > local to look the reference up for you or maybe get it through the P&J or > the University archives. > > > All best wishes to you & Bill [I bet he's out fishing!] > Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net Collection: GB 0231 University of Aberdeen, Special Collections Level: file Ref No: MS 3051/3/1/71 Title: Sir James Murray Date: 1933 Extent: 1 File Description: 'Sir James Murray'. Obituary notices. (Local history researches by J. M. Bulloch, comprising off-prints, etc.) Access Status: Open > * > * > > > > > On 8 October 2013 08:30, Mary Legarth <legarthm@levin.pl.net> wrote: > >> How do I find information about Sir James Murray M.P. for Aberdeen East ? >> His name is mentioned in the New Zealand 1920 Obituary, as the Nephew of >> James Duff Murray who emigrated to New Zealand 1863. >> James ( junior), will also be the Nephew of my husband's Gt Grandfather, >> William Duff Murray. >> The Murray Family lived in the Woodside area, of Aberdeen. >> As far as I know only 2 brothers emigrated to New zealand, I know nothing >> about the other Siblings other than the names which are from census. >> Donald 1832: Mary Ann 1834; William Duff 1836 ( he emigrated to N.Z.) >> James >> Duff ( emigrated to N.Z. c 1839;) & David Smith 1832. >> Perhaps someone has the Family in their Tree ? >> I Googled James the MP with no luck >> >> Mary >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 8888 (20131007) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

The Find My Past site has many articles about Sir James, including a large obituary which appeared in he Aberdeen Press and Journal on 13 April 1933. I have only glanced at a few pages, but there is at least 1 photograph and 1 drawing of him. I didn't explore far enough to see if there was any mention of his family. HTH, Joyce Fidler ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@ How do I find information about Sir James Murray M.P. for Aberdeen East ? His name is mentioned in the New Zealand 1920 Obituary, as the Nephew of James Duff Murray who emigrated to New Zealand 1863. James ( junior), will also be the Nephew of my husband's Gt Grandfather, William Duff Murray. The Murray Family lived in the Woodside area, of Aberdeen. As far as I know only 2 brothers emigrated to New zealand, I know nothing about the other Siblings other than the names which are from census. Donald 1832: Mary Ann 1834; William Duff 1836 ( he emigrated to N.Z.) James Duff ( emigrated to N.Z. c 1839;) & David Smith 1832. Perhaps someone has the Family in their Tree ? I Googled James the MP with no luck Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8888 (20131007) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 08/10/2013 10:01, Rhonda Ross wrote: > ... > > I had not thought of going to the Aberdeen & NE Scotland Family History > Society but would consider that given my Great Grandfather William Yule is > mentioned in many newspaper articles in the 1880's as a magistrate and > draper from Duke Street Huntly. He has been a mysterious character during my > research and would dearly love to discover more about him. The family did > end up in London so will spend some time there also. > > ... > > From what you have said it would be more time effective to hire a car for a > short time though I must say I do enjoy doing the public transport thing. > May be hire for a day or so and do the cemetery's. Even WITH a car you might be struggling to cover the burial grounds in your target parishes in a day - particularly if you haven't previously established where they are and what they are called! The parish of Huntly, for example, does not contain a kirkyard called "Huntly" (although there are two ancient kirkyards within the parish). You are also unlikely to find many ancestors if you simply turn up and start walking round. Which is why ANESFHS has, since we started up, been working at recording and indexing the inscriptions of as many of the Northeast's 300-plus burial grounds as possible. Of the parishes you mention, we have published a booklet of Memorial Inscriptions for Monymusk and all persons mentioned in the inscriptions there (and in all the other burial grounds we have published) will be found in the Index at: http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/miindex/miindex.php The 2 burial grounds in the parish of Huntly were published independently, so are not included in the Online Index, but you would be able to consult them (or buy copies!) at the ANESFHS centre in King Street, where you will also find a set of unpublished MIs for Forgue. Gavin Bell MI Index Co-ordinator ANESFHS

Hi Rhonda, I use the traveline website: http://www.travelinescotland.com/welcome.do for planning public transport around Scotland. Having travelled the length and breadth of the country by bus I can heartily recommend this form of travel. The changing accents alone are worth a ride! Enjoy your travels, Jane nr Edinburgh On 08/10/2013 08:00, aberdeen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Yule -visit to Aberdeen (Ray Hennessy) > 2. Re: Yule -visit to Aberdeen (e-mail wrentony) > 3. Re: Variations on the forename: "Christian" (bethanyc@aebc.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:00:45 +0100 > From: Ray Hennessy <ray7033@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen > To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAHV-8CFyfJFWJEqH4-H9EBqnpKBuBGty3d5gPAzCQs0hDx_OeA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Rhonda > > I don't know about public transport though I do know there is a good train > service from Aberdeen to Huntly. I think you may find getting to actual > locations of interest a bit of a chore if you don't have your own > transport. Maybe locals can advise you more on this but I hav found a car > invaluable, especially to see the farms and cottages - and graveyards. Not > to mention the stunning views. > > Apart from that, do you expect to spend time in the King Street offices of > the Aberdeen & N E Scotland Family History Society? This is free for > members or there is a small daily charge for each non-member. If you are > going to spend a noticeable amount of time using their excellent services > then staying at The City Centre Premier Inn is a good base. It is not the > lowest cost place but is only 1-2 minutes from ANESFHS. If you do hire a > car for one or two days, it is easy to get out of town from there and there > is usually just about enough parking at the hotel. They do a massive > breakfast [for an extra fixed charge] or you can get simple food > [sandwiches, fruit] from the Morrisons Superstore [good Caf?] a bit further > up King Street - 4-5 minutes walk. > > If you do want to use ANESFHS, there are a number of B&Bs not too far away > but they can be variable. We stayed at a horrible one some years ago with > a loud-mouth, bigoted proprietor who never stopped going on about his > prejudices. We spent as much time out of the place as we could. Luckily > it was only a 20 minute walk to ANESFHS, or even quicker if a bus came > along. > > Evening meals can be excellent at one of the many restaurants. I am a bit > picky but have never been disappointed: English, Italian, indian, etc, food > all available and there are plenty of pubs. > > If you like Art, don't miss the Art Gallery in Schoolhill - 10 minutes walk > from ANESFHS [past Marks & Spencer - if you can!!]. It is superb. > > Enjoy your visit > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Hello to all listers, >> >> Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson >> families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's >> in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and >> seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or >> could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my >> families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old >> be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little >> apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of >> every day. >> >> Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rhonda in Cairns Australia >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:19:21 +0100 > From: e-mail wrentony <wrentony@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Yule -visit to Aberdeen > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CA+1qeknXhnzmesH=VdTAMwg58Ssx9zs0Frp7WD+8C5Kwhx0=vQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > You could get to these places by bus, BUT you would have to walk about a > mile from the main road to Forgue, and bus journeys on most of the routes > are every two hours, and you would need to change several times. > > Much better to rent a car. Last time I did this I stayed at the Travelodge > at Bucksburn, pretty basic and cheap, but with a restaurant next door, and > very convenient for the airport and all the places you mention. With a car > also you can see many of the spendours of Aberdeenshire, but I should not > have chosen yuletide to do it! > > Good luck, > > Tony > > > On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Hello to all listers, >> >> Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson >> families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's >> in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and >> seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or >> could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my >> families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old >> be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little >> apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of >> every day. >> >> Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rhonda in Cairns Australia >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:09:05 -0700 > From: bethanyc@aebc.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52539371.8080104@aebc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I should have added that I now leave the gender > question on forms blank, or choose "Both" if > that's offered. I was thinking of new researchers > who have yet to learn the tricks and who might > give up, thinking that great-granny isn't recorded > anywhere. And researchers of the future will > indeed, as Janet says, have to learn that trick > quickly with the large number of formerly > masculine names now being used for both -- > although they then tend to become gradually > thought of as girls' names and the process starts > over with different ones, and a trend to use > formerly girls' names for boys is never, > historically, as common. > > Incidentally, the name Christian was used in the > British Isles for both boy and girl babies from > c1200 on (or at least, first appearing in records > around that date). It was never one of the heavily > used names like Elizabeth, Ann, Mary, Margaret or > Jane for girls, for example, but it hung in there > for centuries, originally in honour of various > saints named Christian or Christianus. However, > the modest surge in popularity and the division > into a distinctly male and female form happened in > England with the publication of Bunyan's > "Pilgrim's Progress" in 1678 (Part I) and 1684 > (Part II), the two parts being about the religious > pilgrimages of the husband and wife Christian and > Christiana. Interestingly (well, I think it's > interesting, but then I tend to go riding off on > my hobbyhorse when names are discussed), in > Scotland and Ireland the majority of "Christians" > (the basic name, setting aside the variants) were > girls, while more often the pet-name "Christie" > was used as a formally given name for boys, > leading to the use of that as a surname. > > Margaret Gibbs > whose father wanted to name her Marilyn because > "Margaret is so common in Scotland" (being the > most-used name for girls there for centuries > thanks to Saint/Queen Margaret), but who is > grateful her mother's wishes won out because the > name is woven so tightly into the fabric of the > country and binds me to so many, many ancestresses > > > > > > > > On 03/10/2013 1:33 PM, Janet wrote: >> I follow what you are saying about there being a male name "Christian" but isnt that late >> 19th century onward. >> I just wonder; those who know about variations in name giving, and my, dont we find some >> in names given to children nowadays, >> would we not leave the gender part of the search without selection?. I usually do, so it >> allows all results which are mostly >> sorted correctly gender-wise. Of course we have to use our eyes and not let the modern >> brain lead the way. >> >> Janet >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:<bethanyc@aebc.com> >> To:<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" >> >> >>> While I have the same pronunciation preference as >>> Venita, the problem that can raise for family >>> history researchers is that in England (and other >>> countries) "Christian" is a male forename, and if >>> you check off Female on some forms while searching >>> for a Scottish ancestress by that name, you get >>> back "0 results". But then try for a census record >>> using the name of someone else in her family, and >>> there little "Kursteen" (as one record had it) is, >>> as a daughter of the family. My paternal >>> Aberdonian grandparents and relatives all >>> pronounced the personal name "Christian" as >>> something close to the Scandinavian "Kirsten", >>> hence the abbreviated common pet-name Kirstie. >>> However, they pronounced the adjective referring >>> to the religion as "Kristin" (and my maternal >>> Borders relatives pronounced the personal name >>> also as "Kristin"). I remember as a small child >>> finding this fascinating, which probably helped to >>> nudge me eventually towards my academic career in >>> historical and comparative onomastics -- I even >>> managed to work my gt-gt-grandmother >>> Christian-et-al into the oral defence of my PhD >>> thesis on Scottish names. (Probably startled the >>> lady into a quick spin in her grave: "What? Did >>> the lassie just take my name in vain? What on >>> earth is the bairn talking about?" :-) ) >>> >>> Margaret Gibbs >>> >>> >>> On 03/10/2013 10:44 AM, Venita wrote: >>>> My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. >>>> My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called >>>> her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original >>>> spelling and pronunciation! >>>> >>>> Venita >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs<bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >>>>>> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >>>>>> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >>>>>> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >>>>>> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >>>>>> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >>>>>> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >>>>>> to match her wedding gown :-) . >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>>> message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ABERDEEN list administrator, send an email to > ABERDEEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ABERDEEN mailing list, send an email to ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 196 > ****************************************

I should have added that I now leave the gender question on forms blank, or choose "Both" if that's offered. I was thinking of new researchers who have yet to learn the tricks and who might give up, thinking that great-granny isn't recorded anywhere. And researchers of the future will indeed, as Janet says, have to learn that trick quickly with the large number of formerly masculine names now being used for both -- although they then tend to become gradually thought of as girls' names and the process starts over with different ones, and a trend to use formerly girls' names for boys is never, historically, as common. Incidentally, the name Christian was used in the British Isles for both boy and girl babies from c1200 on (or at least, first appearing in records around that date). It was never one of the heavily used names like Elizabeth, Ann, Mary, Margaret or Jane for girls, for example, but it hung in there for centuries, originally in honour of various saints named Christian or Christianus. However, the modest surge in popularity and the division into a distinctly male and female form happened in England with the publication of Bunyan's "Pilgrim's Progress" in 1678 (Part I) and 1684 (Part II), the two parts being about the religious pilgrimages of the husband and wife Christian and Christiana. Interestingly (well, I think it's interesting, but then I tend to go riding off on my hobbyhorse when names are discussed), in Scotland and Ireland the majority of "Christians" (the basic name, setting aside the variants) were girls, while more often the pet-name "Christie" was used as a formally given name for boys, leading to the use of that as a surname. Margaret Gibbs whose father wanted to name her Marilyn because "Margaret is so common in Scotland" (being the most-used name for girls there for centuries thanks to Saint/Queen Margaret), but who is grateful her mother's wishes won out because the name is woven so tightly into the fabric of the country and binds me to so many, many ancestresses On 03/10/2013 1:33 PM, Janet wrote: > I follow what you are saying about there being a male name "Christian" but isnt that late > 19th century onward. > I just wonder; those who know about variations in name giving, and my, dont we find some > in names given to children nowadays, > would we not leave the gender part of the search without selection?. I usually do, so it > allows all results which are mostly > sorted correctly gender-wise. Of course we have to use our eyes and not let the modern > brain lead the way. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:<bethanyc@aebc.com> > To:<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" > > >> While I have the same pronunciation preference as >> Venita, the problem that can raise for family >> history researchers is that in England (and other >> countries) "Christian" is a male forename, and if >> you check off Female on some forms while searching >> for a Scottish ancestress by that name, you get >> back "0 results". But then try for a census record >> using the name of someone else in her family, and >> there little "Kursteen" (as one record had it) is, >> as a daughter of the family. My paternal >> Aberdonian grandparents and relatives all >> pronounced the personal name "Christian" as >> something close to the Scandinavian "Kirsten", >> hence the abbreviated common pet-name Kirstie. >> However, they pronounced the adjective referring >> to the religion as "Kristin" (and my maternal >> Borders relatives pronounced the personal name >> also as "Kristin"). I remember as a small child >> finding this fascinating, which probably helped to >> nudge me eventually towards my academic career in >> historical and comparative onomastics -- I even >> managed to work my gt-gt-grandmother >> Christian-et-al into the oral defence of my PhD >> thesis on Scottish names. (Probably startled the >> lady into a quick spin in her grave: "What? Did >> the lassie just take my name in vain? What on >> earth is the bairn talking about?" :-) ) >> >> Margaret Gibbs >> >> >> On 03/10/2013 10:44 AM, Venita wrote: >>> My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. >>> My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called >>> her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original >>> spelling and pronunciation! >>> >>> Venita >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs<bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >>>>> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >>>>> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >>>>> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >>>>> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >>>>> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >>>>> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >>>>> to match her wedding gown :-) . >>>>> >>>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You could get to these places by bus, BUT you would have to walk about a mile from the main road to Forgue, and bus journeys on most of the routes are every two hours, and you would need to change several times. Much better to rent a car. Last time I did this I stayed at the Travelodge at Bucksburn, pretty basic and cheap, but with a restaurant next door, and very convenient for the airport and all the places you mention. With a car also you can see many of the spendours of Aberdeenshire, but I should not have chosen yuletide to do it! Good luck, Tony On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > Hello to all listers, > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson > families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's > in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and > seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or > could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my > families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old > be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little > apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of > every day. > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > Many thanks > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello to all listers, Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of every day. Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. Many thanks Rhonda in Cairns Australia Sent from my iPad

Hi Rhonda I don't know about public transport though I do know there is a good train service from Aberdeen to Huntly. I think you may find getting to actual locations of interest a bit of a chore if you don't have your own transport. Maybe locals can advise you more on this but I hav found a car invaluable, especially to see the farms and cottages - and graveyards. Not to mention the stunning views. Apart from that, do you expect to spend time in the King Street offices of the Aberdeen & N E Scotland Family History Society? This is free for members or there is a small daily charge for each non-member. If you are going to spend a noticeable amount of time using their excellent services then staying at The City Centre Premier Inn is a good base. It is not the lowest cost place but is only 1-2 minutes from ANESFHS. If you do hire a car for one or two days, it is easy to get out of town from there and there is usually just about enough parking at the hotel. They do a massive breakfast [for an extra fixed charge] or you can get simple food [sandwiches, fruit] from the Morrisons Superstore [good Café] a bit further up King Street - 4-5 minutes walk. If you do want to use ANESFHS, there are a number of B&Bs not too far away but they can be variable. We stayed at a horrible one some years ago with a loud-mouth, bigoted proprietor who never stopped going on about his prejudices. We spent as much time out of the place as we could. Luckily it was only a 20 minute walk to ANESFHS, or even quicker if a bus came along. Evening meals can be excellent at one of the many restaurants. I am a bit picky but have never been disappointed: English, Italian, indian, etc, food all available and there are plenty of pubs. If you like Art, don't miss the Art Gallery in Schoolhill - 10 minutes walk from ANESFHS [past Marks & Spencer - if you can!!]. It is superb. Enjoy your visit Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 7 October 2013 06:23, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > Hello to all listers, > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson > families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's > in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and > seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or > could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my > families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old > be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little > apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of > every day. > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > Many thanks > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Huntly and Monymusk might just be feasible by public transport, depending on the exact locations you hope to visit, but you'll need a hire car for Kildrummy and Forgue. Huntly is served by both rail and bus. Bus timetables can be downloaded from http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/publictransport/timetables/index.asp. You might find it useful to refer to the map of burial grounds at http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/index.html. The Aberdeenshire Council website also includes an excellent mapping facility at http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/local/map.asp, while for historic maps the OS series is a good way of pinpointing dwellings no longer in existence. Digital copies from the National Library of Scotland can be viewed (and purchased very reasonably) at http://maps.nls.uk/series/index.html. It's well worth checking out http://www.northeastscotlandroots.com for a guide to resources and research facilities in the area and there is additional helpful information at www.anesfhs.org.uk. >From Aberdeen it will take about an hour by car to get to Kildrummy, slightly less to Huntly & Forgue, and only about 1/2 hour to Monymusk. Huntly itself is probably as good a base as any (see http://www.huntly.net/) and Inverurie might also be suitable (though accommodation there is just as costly there as in Aberdeen). You might also consider writing to the Aberdeen Press & Journal ( http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/), specifying the families of interest to you, and inviting relatives to get in contact in advance of your trip. Happy hunting! Alison On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Rhonda Ross <fracj@icloud.com> wrote: > Hello to all listers, > > Over a period of many years I have been researching the Yule and Anderson > families. They lived in the Huntly, Kildrummy, Monymusk and Forgue area's > in the 1800's. I am considering taking a trip to Aberdeen next year and > seek suggestions on where to base my stay. Would I need to hire a car or > could I travel on public transport? I would love to visit the graves of my > families and of course if I could meet up with unknown relatives that old > be wonderful. I have never travelled outside of Australia so I am a little > apprehensive but look forward to this journey and want to make the most of > every day. > > Other names in my families are Wattie and McKnight. > > Many thanks > > Rhonda in Cairns Australia > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My grandmother's sister was named "Christian" on some documents and Christina on others but the family called her "Aunt Teenie!" Harry Ross

My family called my grand aunt Christine/Christina "Auntie Tuts"! Cindy On 2013-10-05, at 6:53 PM, hglennross@aol.com wrote: > My grandmother's sister was named "Christian" on some documents and Christina on others but the family called her "Aunt Teenie!" > Harry Ross > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I follow what you are saying about there being a male name "Christian" but isnt that late 19th century onward. I just wonder; those who know about variations in name giving, and my, dont we find some in names given to children nowadays, would we not leave the gender part of the search without selection?. I usually do, so it allows all results which are mostly sorted correctly gender-wise. Of course we have to use our eyes and not let the modern brain lead the way. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <bethanyc@aebc.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Variations on the forename: "Christian" > While I have the same pronunciation preference as > Venita, the problem that can raise for family > history researchers is that in England (and other > countries) "Christian" is a male forename, and if > you check off Female on some forms while searching > for a Scottish ancestress by that name, you get > back "0 results". But then try for a census record > using the name of someone else in her family, and > there little "Kursteen" (as one record had it) is, > as a daughter of the family. My paternal > Aberdonian grandparents and relatives all > pronounced the personal name "Christian" as > something close to the Scandinavian "Kirsten", > hence the abbreviated common pet-name Kirstie. > However, they pronounced the adjective referring > to the religion as "Kristin" (and my maternal > Borders relatives pronounced the personal name > also as "Kristin"). I remember as a small child > finding this fascinating, which probably helped to > nudge me eventually towards my academic career in > historical and comparative onomastics -- I even > managed to work my gt-gt-grandmother > Christian-et-al into the oral defence of my PhD > thesis on Scottish names. (Probably startled the > lady into a quick spin in her grave: "What? Did > the lassie just take my name in vain? What on > earth is the bairn talking about?" :-) ) > > Margaret Gibbs > > > On 03/10/2013 10:44 AM, Venita wrote: >> My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. >> My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called >> her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original >> spelling and pronunciation! >> >> Venita >> >> >> >>> On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >>>> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >>>> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >>>> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >>>> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >>>> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >>>> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >>>> to match her wedding gown :-) . >>>> >>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While I have the same pronunciation preference as Venita, the problem that can raise for family history researchers is that in England (and other countries) "Christian" is a male forename, and if you check off Female on some forms while searching for a Scottish ancestress by that name, you get back "0 results". But then try for a census record using the name of someone else in her family, and there little "Kursteen" (as one record had it) is, as a daughter of the family. My paternal Aberdonian grandparents and relatives all pronounced the personal name "Christian" as something close to the Scandinavian "Kirsten", hence the abbreviated common pet-name Kirstie. However, they pronounced the adjective referring to the religion as "Kristin" (and my maternal Borders relatives pronounced the personal name also as "Kristin"). I remember as a small child finding this fascinating, which probably helped to nudge me eventually towards my academic career in historical and comparative onomastics -- I even managed to work my gt-gt-grandmother Christian-et-al into the oral defence of my PhD thesis on Scottish names. (Probably startled the lady into a quick spin in her grave: "What? Did the lassie just take my name in vain? What on earth is the bairn talking about?" :-) ) Margaret Gibbs On 03/10/2013 10:44 AM, Venita wrote: > My grandfather, who was half Scottish and half English, had a sister named Christian. My grandmother always pronounced her name Christie-ann, but many in the family called her "Christy" and spelled her name Christine or Christina. I vote for the original spelling and pronunciation! > > Venita > > > >> On 2 October 2013 16:54, Margaret Gibbs <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> And there are other nicknames for Christian, which is what appears on my >>> gt-gt-grandmother's christening record. I was just listing the variants I'd >>> found for her in her christening, marriage, census, and death records. Her >>> husband registered her death as "Christina", although my grandfather said >>> he never heard him call his wife anything but "Kirsty" -- or "my love" -- >>> and on her marriage certificate she signed her name quite clearly as >>> "Christianna". The family joke was that she decided to "frilly up" her name >>> to match her wedding gown :-) . >>> >>> Margaret Gibbs >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >